Are those buds strange?

akaki

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Hi guys
I have 2 plants in 0.5 sq meter closet.they are at 75 day i am running 12 12 from the beginning 1 blue dream the other is a chronic haze it was free with my last order..the blue dream goes fantastic but the chronic haze the buds is a bit strange...i can't see any calyx swollen yet i see only white hairs and a very small amount of red...
Pictures below
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Some info of the grow
4 led cxb 3590 total 200w
30 cm from the longest buds
Temps at 16-17 c with the light off 19 20 c when lights are on rh 60% some times can get 70 but I have 2 fans to blow them....
Nutrients that i am using right now .an ph perfect sense coco bloom and overdrive with tap water at 1350 ppm.
Is that from light intensity?or i have to make patience. I'm over 1000 ppfd..... but blue dream have no issues except that I burn it a bit....
Any thoughts guys!?
 

Ablaze

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What I see in the pics, it looks perfectly fine. To each plant, their own time. We can't change mother nature no matter how much love we force on it (water, nutes, light, etc...).
 

420producer

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Screenshot_22.png Screenshot_22.png day 75 in bloom and she still looks like she is growing. did she get locked up ? she looks like week 5 or 6 ..looks healthy no tip burn. do a flush and test your run off. ppms and ph..quite possible the lights are not strong enough.. ive seen plants were they did not get the intense lights and was larffy. start looking at trichomes see what they look like..
 
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akaki

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View attachment 4064820 View attachment 4064820 day 75 in bloom and she still looks like she is growing. did she get locked up ? she looks like week 5 or 6 ..looks healthy no tip burn. do a flush and test your run off. ppms and ph..quite possible the lights are not strong enough.. ive seen plants were they did not get the intense lights and was larffy. start looking at trichomes see what they look like..
Thanks for the reply !!
To be honest I didn't check run off ppm and ph i use advanced nutrients sense coco ph perfect many grows now and I didn't have any problems.i am gonna check it tonight.
Now about lighting...my led bar is 4 cxb 3590 3500k cd bins running them 50w each.and my closet is 0,5 sq meters. I did some calculations and if I am correct my ppfd are way over 1000μmols is a bit overkill.
And something else I start 12 12 from the beginning it is about 50 days into flowering
 
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420producer

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Thanks for the reply !!
To be honest I didn't check run off ppm and ph i use advanced nutrients sense coco ph perfect many grows now and I didn't have any problems.i am gonna check it tonight.
Now about lighting...my led bar is 4 cxb 3590 3500k cd bins running them 50w each.and my closet is 0,5 sq meters. I did some calculations and if I am correct my ppfd are way over 1000μmols is a bit overkill.
And something else I start 12 12 from the beginning it is about 50 days into flowering
looks bright to me. so your looking good then at day 50. you should see her bulking up real soon . but the flush will give you a good idea whats going on . if your up in the 1800 ppm or higher . go ahead a flush with ph'd water . so the next time you feed you be right where you want to be. i flush with str8 water once a week heres mine at week 6 . about the same look as yours .
 

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akaki

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show me a flowering feeding schedule 50 days into flower instructing to feed 1350ppm?
First as i mention in my post again... is with tap water....my water is about 200 ppm.
Second if I follow the schedule of advanced nutrients... full line base and addictives is way over 1350...and of course I DON'T follow.
Third i wish i use other nutes like Peter Jack's formula 3.2.1 plus I bit of fulvic acid but is difficult to find them in eu...which again without tap water and without fulvic acid is 1200 ppm and you can use them from the start till late flowering stage...
My friend no offence with your thoughts but I am I right or not
 

chemphlegm

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thanks to @ https://www.rollitup.org/t/high-ppm-with-advanced-nutrients-1-3-strength-900-ppm-anyone-had-this-problem.379396/

Thank you for your inquiry,

The new nutrient calculator is designed to be used with the “pH-ppm perfect Bigger Yields Flowering System.” We have standardized all the base nutrients to 4ml/L and all the supplements to 2ml/L. Certain products have been concentrated while others have been supplemented with more chelates and other components to allow for better absorption and decreased application rates. Having said that, the application times for some of the supplements have changed, to accommodate for the new system.

With that in mind, the new nutrient calculator is designed to be used with the pH-ppm perfect system which has not been launched yet due to a number of delays we had with the label registration processes in certain states. Because of these delays, we still suggest using the old nutrient calculator listed here:
http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/nutrient_calculator_old/

Having said that, the nutrient calculator is still being updated to include a number of components and functions. It is by no means finished and we are working very hard to include the organic line up, rooted clones/seedlings section and the mothers option. We still recommend using the old nutrient calculator while we make this transition and allow access to these items.

If you are applying at the 4ml/L application rate, those amounts should be used for a bigger plant. If your plants are smaller, you should apply considerably less.

I am including a feeding guideline below.

Feeding Guideline



When entering the Bloom Stage follow the medium feeding strength. (If growing indoors the bloom stage starts when the lights are switched to twelve hours of darkness and twelve hour of light).

Week 1- mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1000 ppm
Week 2 - mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1200 ppm
Week 3- mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1400 ppm
Week 4- mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1600 ppm
Week 5- mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1400 ppm
Week 6- mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1200 ppm
Week 7- Flush

The nutrient calculator is set for a 7 week strain; it can be customized for plants that require more than 7 weeks to complete their flower stage. Just click add a week.

The amounts suggested in the nutrient calculator are the total nutrient to feed the plant for a whole week, not the amount to give them per feeding.

If you want to give your plants nutrient solution more than once per week, divide the amount (total ppm) for the week by the number of feedings that you want to give them to calculate the ppm per feeding. A light cycle of plain ph adjusted water prior to commencing a new week’s feeding schedule will help prevent lock out conditions.

Plants may increase their over all size up to 2/3, during the bloom stage, for this reason the feeding schedules in the calculator increases the strength of the nutrient solution every week, reaching the highest concentration on the fourth week of bloom. If plant needs longer than 6 weeks of feeding (7 week strain, the 7Th week is a flush week), repeat week 4 for each extra week.


Always reduce the amount that you feed your plants during the last two weeks of feeding.

Overfeeding

If the very tip of the leaves gets yellow it is an early sign of overfeeding. Reduce the solution strength slightly (100 – 150 ppm), if not increase slightly.

Deficiencies

If the margins or any other part of the leaves yellows off it is a possible sign of deficiencies. Check pH in medium and reservoir, if the pH is off from the ideal levels look out conditions may develop. At first symptom of a deficiency apply rule # 1 (When in doubt flush them out).
If growing in a medium that takes some time to dry up, allow the medium to dry and feeding them plain pH adjusted water when they are ready. If growing in a re circulating system, find a way to give them only pH adjusted water for the length of a light cycle, a second reservoir just for water may be a simple solution, then it is just a matter of moving the pump over, maintain the regular water pump cycle during the flush.

pH conditions in medium

In Soil/Soiless (Soil or Soiless mixtures that may also contain peat moss but not Coco Coir) adjust the pH to 6.3

In Hydro (It includes products such as Rockwool, Hydroton Rock, and Lava Rock) adjust to 5.6

In Coco Coir adjust the ph to 5.8 – 6.0. You may want to supplement with SensiCal when growing in coco with a base nutrient that in not specific to growing in coco

Root damage

Another possibility is damage in the root zone, check for the possibility of root rot, or insect larvae as potential causes for root deterioration, brown, mushy, smelly roots are a good indicator of root damage. Hydrogen peroxide is an efficient way to destroy root rot causing bacteria.

Mixing instructions

If using the base nutrient stand alone, mix nutrients according to instructions on the bottle.

If also using supplements follow feeding schedule in the nutrient calculator.

When using a re circulating system, you will be dealing with one of two situations, either the reservoir is large enough to feed the plants for a week without the need to be topped up during the week or it is a small reservoir and in order to feed the plants through the week it will require to be topped up.

In case of reservoir that does not need to be topped up.

Add to the reservoir the amount of water that the plants are going to be using for the week, include some extra water to allow for evaporation.

Mix the nutrient solution at 1/6th of the strength that is suggested in the calculator for that week.

Example: If the plants need 1200 ppm for the week, divide 1200 by 6 and mix the reservoir at 200 – 250 ppm.

Allow the solution to sit long enough to stabilize the pH. Adjust pH

Feed the plants.

Allow the plants to feed on the solution and the pH to rise for 1 1/2 – 2 days before re adjusting the pH.

In case of reservoir that needs to be topped up with water during the week.

Add to reservoir the amount of water that the plants will use in 3 – 3 ½ days.

Mix the nutrient solution at the strength that is suggested in the calculator for that week.

Allow the solution to sit long enough to stabilize the pH. Adjust pH

Feed the plants

Allow the plants to feed on the solution for 1 1/2 – 2 days, top up with water to the original level first before re adjusting the pH, after adding the water allow solution to sit for an hour and re adjust the pH.

If growing in soil adjust the pH 6.3, in coco 5.8 – 6.0, in hydro 5.6.

When using a re circulating system having the pH rise after you start feeding the plants is a good thing, It means that the plants are up taking nutrient, it is important that it rises the plants up take different nutrients at different pH levels, allow the pH to rise for 1 ½ - 2 days at that point adjust the pH down to 5.6 again

http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/nutrient_calculator_old/

Measurements:

1 gallon = 4 liters (quarts)
1 tsp (teaspoon) = 5 mL
1/2 tsp (teaspoon) = 2.5 mL
1/4 tsp (teaspoon) = 1.25 mL
1 tbsp (tablespoon) = 3 tsp (teaspoon) = 15 mL
We use a 700 ppm/uS/m scale or a 0.7 scale to convert from EC to ppm.

I hope that this is the answer that you are looking for. If you have further questions please contact us via e-mail or by calling our tech support toll free line at 1 800 640 9605 8:00 am – 9:00 pm PST. If line busy or directed to voice mail keep trying.

A.N. Tech Support
 

akaki

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Thanks for the reply .I agree and i already read it but i dont agree with the example bellow...
Example: If the plants need 1200 ppm for the week, divide 1200 by 6 and mix the reservoir at 200 – 250 ppm
Second my plants need way more than 6 weeks I think it is obvious....
Third i gave you and an other example with way better and cheaper nutes...
But again thanks for your time.
 

akaki

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looks bright to me. so your looking good then at day 50. you should see her bulking up real soon . but the flush will give you a good idea whats going on . if your up in the 1800 ppm or higher . go ahead a flush with ph'd water . so the next time you feed you be right where you want to be. i flush with str8 water once a week heres mine at week 6 . about the same look as yours .
Thanks man tonight I am gonna flush and see ppm readings...
 
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