Are controlled release fertilizers going to change the game?

ryan s

ryan s

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I'm rebuilding a grow room and been doing research on how I will setup for the next grow. The autopot has been catching my eye as it is an easy way to irrigate the plants. I also learned about Beanstalk which is a nutrient salt that you mix into coco which provides the total nutrient needs off a plant for the entire bloom cycle. All you have to do is add water. Beanstalk is optimized when you don't have runoff. There is no run off in the autopot which makes them the seemingly perfect combo. Is there something I am missing or will this eventually become the way to go? It sounds extremely simple!!
 
Billy the Mountain

Billy the Mountain

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Time-release fertilizers are nothing new; Osmocote was released in 1967.
There's no reason they wouldn't work with cannabis if you want to go that route.
Experiment and report back your results!

I've only tried time-release nutes in some veggie container gardening. While it worked fine, I much prefer traditional dry nutes: more economical and more control.
 
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bguwop420

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ryan s said:
I'm rebuilding a grow room and been doing research on how I will setup for the next grow. The autopot has been catching my eye as it is an easy way to irrigate the plants. I also learned about Beanstalk which is a nutrient salt that you mix into coco which provides the total nutrient needs off a plant for the entire bloom cycle. All you have to do is add water. Beanstalk is optimized when you don't have runoff. There is no run off in the autopot which makes them the seemingly perfect combo. Is there something I am missing or will this eventually become the way to go? It sounds extremely simple!!
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Tolerance Break

Tolerance Break

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I am hesitant to believe beanstalk meets the entire nutritional needs of the plant through flower. Sounds like snake oil, or at least a pitch that doesn't match the reality of the product.

The auto pots are really nice, but they're just a little too expensive for my blood. The same thing can be achieved with a flood table and maybe $100 worth of pumps/tubes/medium/resovoire. The vertical sacrifice is more than made up by the amount of plants you can pack into a flood tray.

Just my opinion
 
Kumarollitup

Kumarollitup

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I use slow release in my grows. Osmocote plus and Triple Super Phosphate with Humic acid top dressed. I add lime and gypsum to my soil, using ffof. I add sugars every 2 weeks as well.
Osmocote plus, 1 tablespoon per gallon of soil, veg and flower
Triple super phosphate-2 tablespoons to a 3 gallon pot. Flower only
Works great for me.
 
farmingfisherman

farmingfisherman

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Tolerance Break said:
I am hesitant to believe beanstalk meets the entire nutritional needs of the plant through flower. Sounds like snake oil, or at least a pitch that doesn't match the reality of the product.

The auto pots are really nice, but they're just a little too expensive for my blood. The same thing can be achieved with a flood table and maybe $100 worth of pumps/tubes/medium/resovoire. The vertical sacrifice is more than made up by the amount of plants you can pack into a flood tray.

Just my opinion
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How does a person decide what a plant really needs? Bagged Dr Earth veg and flower girl nutrients along with a quality planting mix works just fine for this rookie grower.
 
curious2garden

curious2garden

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Tolerance Break said:
... science?

Soil and hydro are very different beasts.
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Truer words were never spoken/written. Essentially salts feed directly whereas organics require a microherd to process them for availability. That's why in soil it's always good to have some of the basic salts available in case you need something quick.

I'm just not up to a soil grow. That is complex and requires patience and understanding or you end up lagging or ahead of, your curve and look like a brand new pilot giving too much/too little control input and chasing the ups and downs, porpoising.
 
ryan s

ryan s

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Tolerance Break said:
I am hesitant to believe beanstalk meets the entire nutritional needs of the plant through flower. Sounds like snake oil, or at least a pitch that doesn't match the reality of the product.

The auto pots are really nice, but they're just a little too expensive for my blood. The same thing can be achieved with a flood table and maybe $100 worth of pumps/tubes/medium/resovoire. The vertical sacrifice is more than made up by the amount of plants you can pack into a flood tray.

Just my opinion
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I’m going to try Beanstalk and aim for having healthy plants. I’m going to do like the autopot-USA channel did and add Regenaroot and HeadMasta to the rez. If it doesn’t work I’ll switch it up for the next run. There is just not enough material online to say either way if it works or not so I’m going to try it myself. It’s not very expensive.

In regards to flood tables I have experience with those but I’m trying to cut out all the pumps and wires. Autopots are not cheap though, but if I can save 35 minutes hand watering each day and have time to care for the plants it will all be worth it.
 
Tolerance Break

Tolerance Break

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ryan s said:
I’m going to try Beanstalk and aim for having healthy plants. I’m going to do like the autopot-USA channel did and add Regenaroot and HeadMasta to the rez. If it doesn’t work I’ll switch it up for the next run. There is just not enough material online to say either way if it works or not so I’m going to try it myself. It’s not very expensive.

In regards to flood tables I have experience with those but I’m trying to cut out all the pumps and wires. Autopots are not cheap though, but if I can save 35 minutes hand watering each day and have time to care for the plants it will all be worth it.
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I am all for the scientific method. I have my doubts, quite a few of them in fact, but I am willing to be proven wrong.
 
Tolerance Break

Tolerance Break

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Upon further review, I think the cx horiculture products are bullshit. The description of headmasta is ''In addition to stimulating an internal hormonal signal that increases flower formation and creating additional flowering sites, Head Masta pumps plant cells full of extra vitamins and minerals required by the plant to convert excess light and nutrients into proteins, amino acids and carbohydrates. Head Masta ensures that these plant made quality factors are produced beyond normal levels, this is the key to your increased quality. Head Masta also adds weight producing silicon to flower cells and finally, increases its thirst for potassium, making it bound to the luxury consumption of this important yield enhancer.''

Its claims are wild and dumb. Feeding a plant and providing the right environment allows it to photosynthesize and uptake nutes You dont pump vitamins and minerals into cells, thats not a thing. Best of all, they seem to have confused silicone with silica. Silica makes a plant more hardy, it makes a huge difference in hydro, but its not magic.

Thier rooting has a similar, but less funny description.

The biggest red flag for me is that I couldnt find an ingredient list on their website for either product. Plant science isnt some mythic thing, we have a very good idea of what does and doesnt work. If theyre doing something new, I would love to see it. Hell, if I am wrong and the product is great, I would want to know what I am amending so I dont overdue any of my salt nutes and create conflict.
 
ryan s

ryan s

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Tolerance Break said:
Upon further review, I think the cx horiculture products are bullshit. The description of headmasta is ''In addition to stimulating an internal hormonal signal that increases flower formation and creating additional flowering sites, Head Masta pumps plant cells full of extra vitamins and minerals required by the plant to convert excess light and nutrients into proteins, amino acids and carbohydrates. Head Masta ensures that these plant made quality factors are produced beyond normal levels, this is the key to your increased quality. Head Masta also adds weight producing silicon to flower cells and finally, increases its thirst for potassium, making it bound to the luxury consumption of this important yield enhancer.''

Its claims are wild and dumb. Feeding a plant and providing the right environment allows it to photosynthesize and uptake nutes You dont pump vitamins and minerals into cells, thats not a thing. Best of all, they seem to have confused silicone with silica. Silica makes a plant more hardy, it makes a huge difference in hydro, but its not magic.

Thier rooting has a similar, but less funny description.

The biggest red flag for me is that I couldnt find an ingredient list on their website for either product. Plant science isnt some mythic thing, we have a very good idea of what does and doesnt work. If theyre doing something new, I would love to see it. Hell, if I am wrong and the product is great, I would want to know what I am amending so I dont overdue any of my salt nutes and create conflict.
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Well, that’s disappointing. However that’s what they used and they had decent results. We shall see I guess as I purchased both products.
 
GrassBurner

GrassBurner

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Sounds like horse shit :bigjoint: Homemade sips, homemade soil, easy peasy and cheap. 40% peat, 20% compost, 10% ewc, 10% perlite, 20% lava rock, basalt, oyster shell flour, and Dr Earth Homegrown. Make a sip, and fuhgeddaboutit :blsmoke: I spend about 45 minutes a week on my plants. I haven't seen any easier/cheaper way that gets such fantastic results.
 
natureboygrower

natureboygrower

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GrassBurner said:
Sounds like horse shit :bigjoint: Homemade sips, homemade soil, easy peasy and cheap. 40% peat, 20% compost, 10% ewc, 10% perlite, 20% lava rock, basalt, oyster shell flour, and Dr Earth Homegrown. Make a sip, and fuhgeddaboutit :blsmoke: I spend about 45 minutes a week on my plants. I haven't seen any easier/cheaper way that gets such fantastic results.
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I was going to suggest sips as well but didn't want to start a debate. With a water only soil, it really doesn't get any easier. Not very expensive to make, or to purchase an earthbox either. I agree.

There are space issues with sips tho. Not for everyone.
 
Gemtree

Gemtree

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Tolerance Break said:
Upon further review, I think the cx horiculture products are bullshit. The description of headmasta is ''In addition to stimulating an internal hormonal signal that increases flower formation and creating additional flowering sites, Head Masta pumps plant cells full of extra vitamins and minerals required by the plant to convert excess light and nutrients into proteins, amino acids and carbohydrates. Head Masta ensures that these plant made quality factors are produced beyond normal levels, this is the key to your increased quality. Head Masta also adds weight producing silicon to flower cells and finally, increases its thirst for potassium, making it bound to the luxury consumption of this important yield enhancer.''

Its claims are wild and dumb. Feeding a plant and providing the right environment allows it to photosynthesize and uptake nutes You dont pump vitamins and minerals into cells, thats not a thing. Best of all, they seem to have confused silicone with silica. Silica makes a plant more hardy, it makes a huge difference in hydro, but its not magic.

Thier rooting has a similar, but less funny description.

The biggest red flag for me is that I couldnt find an ingredient list on their website for either product. Plant science isnt some mythic thing, we have a very good idea of what does and doesnt work. If theyre doing something new, I would love to see it. Hell, if I am wrong and the product is great, I would want to know what I am amending so I dont overdue any of my salt nutes and create conflict.
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Also pretty much everything with “vitamins and minerals” is code for kelp aka liquid seaweed. Way cheaper to just add your own
 
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SBNDB

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SIPS is the way to go for sure. Pretty much eliminating over/under watering is a huge obstacle out of the way making a path to success so much easier. Watering issues over or under(mostly over) are,I believe, the cause of 80% of people’s problems trying to grow.
 
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NorCalWeed

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Well draining dirt with ample moisture retention and osmocote is about all you need. Cannabis specific anything is simply theft from the inexperienced gullible stoner. Any extra money you spent buying a fancy label could have been spent on growing an extra plant instead of trying to squeeze fractional results from snake oils. The more variables the more issues. Good Genetics, Manure and any flowering nutrient to guarantee nutrient availability is all you need. Home Despit Dirt + Osmocote has been doing wonders for years.
 
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