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Enjoying the price war
greencropper
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thats cool, hoping Archive makes a lot of types like that at the same price of $60, only ever bought 1 pack for US$200(Bay Exclusives Tiramisu Cookies), didnt want to go there again & spend that much even though ive heard good reports of Archive's higher end types
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Observe & Report
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We'd all love to hear about how the Dosidos male was selected.
Bakersfield
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I've always been able to find discount codes for SHN by doing a discount code search on Google.
My general practice, although I don't follow a "blind protocol". Parts are changed in the process to yield the desired results.
I reverse a grip of males to assess some of the terpene qualities of those males x side of its chromosome pair. Typically there's only a couple that really have the terps out of a 100+. Sometimes more. Then that male and/or males (seperately) is used on known female clones and the seeds are run through to assess progeny. Pretty simple shit. Just takes a lot of time and work, especially if what u selected doesn't yield the desired results (you can pick great terps and lose potency, structure, or herms, or vice versa) and have to go back to the drawing board and do it all over again.
Not like anyone gives a shit about actual line breeding and putting in work anymore though. All the "popular" brands today are clone x clone with zero selection or testing processes done at all. And all the custies eat it up and call seed making, "breeding". Honestly its just sad and dissapointing such a wonderful plant and old culture are literally withering on the vine. Such is the world today with social media. Ask Hip Hop music originators and real artists what's going on in their industry, a very real parallel to the dying cannabis culture. Is what it is, my opinion won't change the world, so no sense in trying to continue to convince people or hold that view anymore. So no work fems for the masses, it seems, and will continue to be. I apologize to anyone whose my opinions may have "offended" previously.
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greencropper
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i wouldn't take it too personal that no one gives a shit about your work, more like most people/growers do not understand what goes into breeding solid lines, the average grower these days really just wants something that tastes/looks/potency & smells nice, easy to grow with a short flower period, true with social media a hack breeder/grower only needs to post some glamor pics and its a winner already without having even being tested, mindful too a number of the old guard have let their side down with releasing genetics for whatever reason that do not match up to their original prizewinners of yore...fire is where you find it!
waterproof808
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How many plants was Chemdog or GG4 selected from?
Or Capulator's MAC? He "selected" that male from a population of 1.
A lot of "elites" are just lucky lottery tickets and many are just mediocre strains that arent even worth circulating.
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I'm just generalizing about the market as a whole. I think most of us can agree this is the direction it has taken. Imitation and infatuation over education. Is what it is. I'd make myself insane trying to educate everyone about agriculture and breeding so I'm just giving up on that mission. Haha. Can't force people to learn, and the odds of them doing it in today's age of brain overstimulation, I doubt there's much room left on the hard drive anyways.
How many plants was Chemdog or GG4 selected from?
Or Capulator's MAC? He "selected" that male from a population of 1.
A lot of "elites" are just lucky lottery tickets and many are just mediocre strains that arent even worth circulating.
I agree with that sentiment. If the "keeper" was found in a small population, imagine what would have been found in a population 10-1000 times bigger. In fact, the larger the number I pop from seed the easier it is to wittle down the population. When I only have 10 females to select from I tend to "hold on" to something that has traits I like but maybe isn't superior in an effort to not "lose it". Where as when I have 200 females to choose from, tossing 195 of them becomes easy, because the remaining 5 are so much clearly superior to the rest and I've found the traits I'm looking to pursue. As a rule in my experience, I end up with a hell of a lot less "it's almost there" kinda cuts the larger the population increases.
jayblaze710
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Just to clarify, the male used in making the MAC was the only survivor of the cross he made. The MAC1 cut was selected from multiple phenos. I don’t think it was a huge selection though.How many plants was Chemdog or GG4 selected from?
Or Capulator's MAC? He "selected" that male from a population of 1.
A lot of "elites" are just lucky lottery tickets and many are just mediocre strains that arent even worth circulating.
There are plenty of lucky phenos out there, but for breeding, I’d always go with the guy who actually did a little bit of selecting. That’s why I don’t give a shit about F2s made by checkers. So you took a random male and female from a single pack. The chances of those creating anything really good is pretty slim.
Bodyne
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but the backstory on the MAC is Jaws put in some work on the genetics as did Alien, so its not like Cap was working with some unknown randoms, just sayin. Some guys are better plant pickers than others, for whatever reason, maybe just luck, again, jmho. I think Cap is one of them guys. Jaws, Zoolander, Obsoul, TxKid, Rado, some others, some guys either got a good eye or are at one with the ganja gods. But lots and lots and lots of chuckers everywhere else these days, especially on IG, thats for sure. Per the f2's, I happen to like them better as most times, unless a smaller open pollenation, by theory you lose some vigor, but you don't get runts, etc and if the guy that made them is a decent grower/planteye picker, you usually get some good stuff. JMHO
40AmpstoFreedom
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damn fuckinw hsikey all over my laptop screen. Never bothered with it after seeing the instagram bs on it but if they are passing that off as some new shit that is really sad. Unmistakable terp profileon wr/gws though....
Hey so some thoughts of mine recently I didn't want and wish would go away, hah... Been going through some OG S1's lately and the feminine smell to Ghost og phenos seems VERY much like the smell you get from rarer Citral x Skunk phenos...and yields just as good. Made me really really pause and think, no way, first time I smelled them. I just couldn't help but notice it was same terp profile and structure. Maybe they are bunk s1's, but sure had phenos like people describe the real cut as....
Running off now things and stuff to do...Thanks for the laugh.
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klx
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Why did the IG post about the new drop get deleted?
Dropping those $60 Slurricane packs is pure gold. If there is one way to make your point it's to hit them in the hip pocket. Bitching and moaning doesn't achieve shit but now you got banks, cough Neptune cough, not even listing those packs, you definitely know you got em flustered faf!!
Dropping those $60 Slurricane packs is pure gold. If there is one way to make your point it's to hit them in the hip pocket. Bitching and moaning doesn't achieve shit but now you got banks, cough Neptune cough, not even listing those packs, you definitely know you got em flustered faf!!
MouseE
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Honestly thadoctas got some points. Dosidos is killing, I know it was straight fire cause I got high unlike 75% of the garbage they sell. I'm pretty sick of these bullshit knock offs too, get some already famous strain, cross it with some random "elite" clone (slurricane lol? No one even gives a fuck about purple punch except hype fad trainers). 60 bucks just to prove a point the difference of chucking and breeding. But idgf, shit has dosidos, I'm sure theres fire in it for my landrace projects, if not, the 5 packs I got will sell for at least 500 a pack.
You're welcome! haha. Hey at least I'm not a bullshitter like all these other guys. Sure I can be abrasive, but who isn't sometimes and wouldn't be when having to respond to some of these people and have 2 dozen companies making lines off your work. All these new wavers hyping up bullshit ass strains cuz they look good on a cell phone. Rhino/GWS smell is unmistakable.
I'm honestly at the point I'm gonna step away from any involvement with responding to or marketing. Everyone wants a free for all fuck fest. Let's do it.
Meanwhile I'll be silently working my lines in the background while the whole market ends up with hermi wedding cake x dosidos x mac x sherb x pound cake x runtz x gelato fem fuckery. I'm done with it.
The ineptitude throughout the industry is driving out anyone with passion and the desire to reinvest into improving the genepool. All that most of these guys reinvest their earnings into is tattoos, jewelry, a rolex, bottles at the club, and a C63 Mercedes.. Not a damn penny into their craft. In fact, I don't own a single one of those things I just previously mentioned or anything even similar..
Everyone would rather support some weirdo, that can't even grow good flowers, hence their getting into making seeds, who bought all their "breeding" stock off instagram. For real? All the while they're making 80 different hybrids a run in the same room with 12 different pollen sources and saying there's no cross contamination of pollen and they "bred" something. Grow those seeds for flower and test? Of course not.
Does anybody educate themselves on this plant anymore? Is this really where we want it all to go? Apparently so. Sorry for the rant folks. It's just really hard seeing a culture that was the last truly independent economy and self regulated community go to shit like this. It's truly painful to watch for me as I put my entire adult life, freedom, and finances into this craft. Ask the others if they can say the same.
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DaveJonesFan
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Hey Docta, have you by chance been approached by Heavy Dayze over at 'The Potcast'? Been enjoying the hell out of his interviews these last couple of years. I keep supporting Seeds Here Now because they sponsor him and some of the other media outlets. Anyway, would love to hear more from you on something like that show. Might be a good chance to vent, philosophize, tell stories, whatever, for some of us who love that insight we can only get in good long form.
Stay strong man, thanks for fighting some good fights and staying on the Archival work.
Stay strong man, thanks for fighting some good fights and staying on the Archival work.
coppershot
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After all of your work, time and the risk involved, it's good to hear that you're not moving on after all of this. I have enjoyed a few of your lines and have paid $200+ for some of those packs.
To get something from you for $60 is a no brainer. Appreciate what you are doing.
Mr.Head
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Never heard of that show before. Thanks for the tips
kona gold
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I really enjoy what you are producing.
The industry has flipped a 180.
So I appreciate someone who still doing things proper.
Loved your Face Off and picked up some Casper Og.
That one should have some extreme Og in there!!
So I was wondering about the Holy Roller.
What is that one like?
I am thinking a different unique terpene, and a very strong up euphoric type of affect, but would love to hear your description.
Mahalo
p.s. any more Face Off's in the works?
jayblaze710
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I’m really glad you’re posting here. I’ve always respected your knowledge on cannabis breeding. You’re also completely upfront with your opinions, without being a complete psychopath like Matt Riot. I like that. I don’t always agree with your opinions, but I like that you don’t shy away from them.
I’ve seen you shit talk a lot of breeders, but I’m wondering, what breeders working today do you actually respect?
Yeah, Purple Punch sucks. It looks great on IG, but it doesn’t get you high, and the smell/taste lacks any complexity at all (*cough* the white *cough*). I thought the Purple Punch hype train would be long over by now.