Application Of Various RC'S On Blotter...

ndangerspecimen101

ndangerspecimen101

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That dmt-nexus link wasn't that helpful.... just a load of comments but no actual procedures!

Please ANC can you step into this thread and shed some light... summon ANC ;)
 
Mr.KushMan

Mr.KushMan

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Its fairly easy, the gelatin isn't anything special just cooking gelatin, they use it for cakes and decoration.

When that is heated to a nice consistency you can start to cool it and slowly add your chemical while stirring. Make sure not to have it to hot now or you could ruin your trips. Once your out of powder you continue to cool, once it starts to seize up, use some common sense, you can make attempts at moving it to the trays. You can add food coloring to change the colors and anything that you missed can be scraped and remelted or just eaten.

Notice I didn't list any heats or times, I would assume the procedure for LSD will need to be slightly tweaked for 2c's or the novel tryptamines. LSD is a fairly unstable molecule and makes it way into gel just fine.

Peace
 
ndangerspecimen101

ndangerspecimen101

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Mr.KushMan said:
Its fairly easy, the gelatin isn't anything special just cooking gelatin, they use it for cakes and decoration.

When that is heated to a nice consistency you can start to cool it and slowly add your chemical while stirring. Make sure not to have it to hot now or you could ruin your trips. Once your out of powder you continue to cool, once it starts to seize up, use some common sense, you can make attempts at moving it to the trays. You can add food coloring to change the colors and anything that you missed can be scraped and remelted or just eaten.

Notice I didn't list any heats or times, I would assume the procedure for LSD will need to be slightly tweaked for 2c's or the novel tryptamines. LSD is a fairly unstable molecule and makes it way into gel just fine.

Peace
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I am befuddled here!

You cook the gelatin and mix the chemical in the same batch... although, how the hell do you know how much mg's is going into a single window pane?
 
ndangerspecimen101

ndangerspecimen101

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My main concern is the even proportion of chemicals... the stirring and molding of gelatin seems easy enough! But I don't want one window carrying 5mg and one carrying 40mg... there has to be an even consistency!

Can anyone lend me a helping hand... or is everyone numb of this fact?
 
donthatetaylor

donthatetaylor

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the thread had pretty detailed directions on how to make gel tabs with 5meo all you would need to do is some math to figure out the difference in the amount of a 2c you would use. i mean it wasn't step by step perfect pictorial but i couldn't find any better directions as this sparked my interest quite a bit and i did i decent bit of searching. it seems pretty simple though. you mix your 2c with water then add to gelatin then heat and dissolve. as long as your chemical was completely dissolved in the water i don't see why it wouldn't be evenly distributed. then mold.
 
donthatetaylor

donthatetaylor

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oschi wrote:
You're cooking the gelatin at 100 degrees C.. is this basically to remove the water?

200 F is not 100 C. It’s 93 C, which isn’t hot enough to boil the water. That temperature is used just to melt the gelatin faster and hopefully help get the air bubbles out, that’s all. It will also work at 100 F, but take longer to melt the gelatin.
Coschi wrote:
If so, then you could simply add more water in the beginning in order to make the mixture thinner which would allow it to be spread more thinly, plus it would help with removal of air bubbles

The air bubbles are indeed a pain. Adding more water should work to remove the air bubbles, but then it will take much longer to dry completely.
Coschi wrote:
I'm pretty sure 5-MeO-DMT Fumarate will survive that temperature
I notice that DMT Fumarate has very high solubility in water, like most other salts. I know 100mg of mdma hcl has no problem dissolving in 0.4mL of water. I'm sure you'll be able to fit 600mg in 8mL

SWIM tried a lower dose than he planned. He only used 25 mg.

This was his recipe:
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2 grams gelatin
1.5 ml glycerin
25 mg 5-MeO-DMT fumarate (about 20 mg as freebase 5-MeO-DMT)
80 ml water

Spread the gelatin in a small 12x5 cm flexible silicone bread pan. Mix the other ingredients together and than add them to the pan. Let the gelatin absorb the liquid for 5 minutes. Place it in oven at 200 F for 30 minutes to thoroughly melt the gelatin. Take it out and mix it thoroughly. Let it dry at room temperature for 2 days. Invert the silicone pan and the gelatin pops right out! Cut into 8 large 3x2.5 cm gel tabs (it’s still not completely dry!). Each one contains 3.125 mg of 5-MeO-DMT fumarate (about 2.5 mg as freebase). That’s enough for a very mild trip. One can fit under the tongue and it takes less than 1 minute to dissolve.

This was just a test so I used a small amount of 5-MeO-DMT. I didn’t want to use a lot of 5-MeO-DMT just incase it got destroyed in the process.

Now that I know that this works I can try a much larger concentration of 5-MeO-DMT fumarate next time! I’m planning to use the same size pan, half as much water so it doesn’t take as long to dry out, and 750 mg 5-MeO-DMT fumarate. When done I’ll cut in into doses that are 0.5x0.5 cm gel tabs each containing 3.125 mg of 5-MeO-DMT fumarate which is just enough for minimal effects. With 5-MeO-DMT, when you double the dose its about 3 times as potent so 2 hits should be enough for visual effects, and 3 should be enough for a really good trip for ME. Other people require more or less to achieve the same results as me.

To use it, you place the gel tab under the tongue. You try your best not to swallow for about 10 minutes (which is hard to do). Then the effect starts. If you swallow it right away it won’t work. It needs to be absorbed under the tongue.



I found this part of the thread to really basically give all the info one would need. just figure out how much 2c to put in. do really small scale experiments if you have to. it shouldn't be that hard to figure out. maybe i'll try and get back with my results but i'm kinda low on cash for right now so it might be a little.
 
ndangerspecimen101

ndangerspecimen101

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donthatetaylor said:
oschi wrote:
You're cooking the gelatin at 100 degrees C.. is this basically to remove the water?

200 F is not 100 C. It’s 93 C, which isn’t hot enough to boil the water. That temperature is used just to melt the gelatin faster and hopefully help get the air bubbles out, that’s all. It will also work at 100 F, but take longer to melt the gelatin.
Coschi wrote:
If so, then you could simply add more water in the beginning in order to make the mixture thinner which would allow it to be spread more thinly, plus it would help with removal of air bubbles

The air bubbles are indeed a pain. Adding more water should work to remove the air bubbles, but then it will take much longer to dry completely.
Coschi wrote:
I'm pretty sure 5-MeO-DMT Fumarate will survive that temperature
I notice that DMT Fumarate has very high solubility in water, like most other salts. I know 100mg of mdma hcl has no problem dissolving in 0.4mL of water. I'm sure you'll be able to fit 600mg in 8mL

SWIM tried a lower dose than he planned. He only used 25 mg.

This was his recipe:
Quote:
2 grams gelatin
1.5 ml glycerin
25 mg 5-MeO-DMT fumarate (about 20 mg as freebase 5-MeO-DMT)
80 ml water

Spread the gelatin in a small 12x5 cm flexible silicone bread pan. Mix the other ingredients together and than add them to the pan. Let the gelatin absorb the liquid for 5 minutes. Place it in oven at 200 F for 30 minutes to thoroughly melt the gelatin. Take it out and mix it thoroughly. Let it dry at room temperature for 2 days. Invert the silicone pan and the gelatin pops right out! Cut into 8 large 3x2.5 cm gel tabs (it’s still not completely dry!). Each one contains 3.125 mg of 5-MeO-DMT fumarate (about 2.5 mg as freebase). That’s enough for a very mild trip. One can fit under the tongue and it takes less than 1 minute to dissolve.

This was just a test so I used a small amount of 5-MeO-DMT. I didn’t want to use a lot of 5-MeO-DMT just incase it got destroyed in the process.

Now that I know that this works I can try a much larger concentration of 5-MeO-DMT fumarate next time! I’m planning to use the same size pan, half as much water so it doesn’t take as long to dry out, and 750 mg 5-MeO-DMT fumarate. When done I’ll cut in into doses that are 0.5x0.5 cm gel tabs each containing 3.125 mg of 5-MeO-DMT fumarate which is just enough for minimal effects. With 5-MeO-DMT, when you double the dose its about 3 times as potent so 2 hits should be enough for visual effects, and 3 should be enough for a really good trip for ME. Other people require more or less to achieve the same results as me.

To use it, you place the gel tab under the tongue. You try your best not to swallow for about 10 minutes (which is hard to do). Then the effect starts. If you swallow it right away it won’t work. It needs to be absorbed under the tongue.



I found this part of the thread to really basically give all the info one would need. just figure out how much 2c to put in. do really small scale experiments if you have to. it shouldn't be that hard to figure out. maybe i'll try and get back with my results but i'm kinda low on cash for right now so it might be a little.
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Now that you sum it up in those words... it looks like not so much of a pain in the ass!

But I'm still wondering if more than 2mg of a substance can fit on a blotter, if dried thoroughly and apply more later? Do you think this is possible?
 
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tical916

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When you come up with the golden ratio care to share? I`m guessing it's going to take a few tries. :blsmoke: Good luck

Might I suggest something like a muffin tray to start out with, mixing different doses in each indention.

I don't know about you guys, but I`m renting this lousy apt. It's got a olive green mini stove from 1950 in it. I doubt I could get a decent temperature, I'd need to put up a chair and watch it closely.
 
shepj

shepj

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ndangerspecimen101 said:
But I'm still wondering if more than 2mg of a substance can fit on a blotter, if dried thoroughly and apply more later? Do you think this is possible?
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Not really. When you supersaturate something it comes out of solution (in this case you would have powder/crystallized RC on top of your paper waiting to get scraped off).

donthatetaylor said:
i read on another forum that there is thicker blotter paper that can be used that will hold more
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Not to be a dick.. but you could use cardboard if you really wanted to; I think the idea is to use standard blotter.
 
ndangerspecimen101

ndangerspecimen101

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shepj said:
Not really. When you supersaturate something it comes out of solution (in this case you would have powder/crystallized RC on top of your paper waiting to get scraped off).



Not to be a dick.. but you could use cardboard if you really wanted to; I think the idea is to use standard blotter.
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Therefore, you inferring that the chemical could fit somehow... but you'll see a noticeable trademark of the chemical risen above the blotter picture?

White blotters would work best then ;)

The reason why my judgement is so blunted here is because I seen on a DEA website of them confiscating blotters with 2c-i and 2c-c...

Cardboard blotters now that's just ghetto :lol:
 
shepj

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
ndangerspecimen101 said:
Therefore, you inferring that the chemical could fit somehow... but you'll see a noticeable trademark of the chemical risen above the blotter picture?


The reason why my judgement is so blunted here is because I seen on a DEA website of them confiscating blotters with 2c-i and 2c-c...

Cardboard blotters now that's just ghetto :lol:
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It would look like someone glued sugar to the blotter.

meh.. I am sure someone has tried it, it just does not make sense IMHO.

lol it is what it is.
 
Mr.KushMan

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My friend where I live bought a sheet of what he thought was blotter and it had a powdery coating on one side. He still doesn't know what it was and I never had the balls to try it, but I am thinking it was a 2c based on the things I heard about it.

Peace
 
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