applicability of acts/national debt

does anyone believe that statues enacted by the states through various acts of congress apply to individuals? can anyone explain how they do apply to individuals? if government's only function is the protection and help of the public, then how is it that they can justify passing laws against possession of things like marijuana?

does anyone have any hope the the national debt will ever be paid off, or will the US finally default?

just wondering what people's opinions are...

darrellduaner said:

does anyone have any hope the the national debt will ever be paid off, or will the US finally default?

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Pyramid schemes have never been a sustainable operation... Sooner or later it has to fail.... Remember shit flows down hill, money rolls up...

Governments only function is to confiscate property and labor FIRST before they can do anything else, with or without your approval.

The nation will default with the progressive path we are on. Hitting the wall is the only way these people will learn. Still got 7-10 years to get there but O has got us well on track. Unfortunately cannibis has been treated as something akin to pharma/herion and a host of other destructive drugs. Until they realize it is actually less destructive than alcohol and see the health benefits for those suffering, the gov will hold us hostage to some degree.

ScottNM said:

The nation will default with the progressive path we are on. Hitting the wall is the only way these people will learn. Still got 7-10 years to get there but O has got us well on track. Unfortunately cannibis has been treated as something akin to pharma/herion and a host of other destructive drugs. Until they realize it is actually less destructive than alcohol and see the health benefits for those suffering, the gov will hold us hostage to some degree.

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Well I guess you havent seen that the deficit has been cut in half have you?

ChesusRice said:

Well I guess you havent seen that the deficit has been cut in half have you?

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Well I guess you haven't seen a budget either - FYI spending resolutions are not budgets

You seem to have a misconception re government. Laws passed by congresss and the Senate apply to you as an individual because your representatives in Congres and the Senative voted for whatever it is because the people with money who put them into officce told them to. The Bill of Rights applies to everyone unless you piss the wrong people off then your constitutitutional rights go out the fucking window. And this Jimmy is how our system of government works.

Oh and marijuana is illegal because the licquor lobby wants it that way.

ChesusRice said:

Well I guess you havent seen that the deficit has been cut in half have you?

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The deficit and the debt are two different things... You keep posting how Obama is a such a financial savant, so I figured you might like to see a picture.

ChesusRice said:

Well I guess you havent seen that the deficit has been cut in half have you?

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desert dude said:

The deficit and the debt are two different things... You keep posting how Obama is a such a financial savant, so I figured you might like to see a picture.

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he knows damned well that the "deficit reduction" is horseshit, a shell game to hide the facts, but he is only interested in convincing the ignorant masses that everything is fine, obamacare totally works, and Black Jesus will save us.

He spent more than the entire Iraq war in his first four years and all we got was a sluggish recovery. He has no business experience and it shows. The Obama care financial crash will hit in about 6 years. Long after he is gone. It will make the last democrat created housing crash look like a cake walk.

desert dude said:

The deficit and the debt are two different things... You keep posting how Obama is a such a financial savant, so I figured you might like to see a picture.

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These projections are meaningless. They presuppose revenue at a constant. They also don't explain the substance and cause of the current debt. That graph is a "picture" of pretty much nothing.

darrellduaner said:

does anyone believe that statues enacted by the states through various acts of congress apply to individuals? can anyone explain how they do apply to individuals? if government's only function is the protection and help of the public, then how is it that they can justify passing laws against possession of things like marijuana?

does anyone have any hope the the national debt will ever be paid off, or will the US finally default?

just wondering what people's opinions are...

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I just finished watching Ken Burn's Documenary on the first great prohibition. It seems back then they began to see the Consitution of the United States as some sort of moral document when in fact it has never been and should never be anything of the kind. At least back then they believed that prohibition applying to the individual citizen had to have a constitutional mandate. Our current prohibition is a result of a series of hedges around that same constitution. It was strange, other than that, how similar the two prohibitions really are.

When the lobby for the marijuana industry grows powerful enough or enough states impose their own understanding of the rights of its citizens, prohibition will finally go away - but unfortunately, only for the most widely used substance and not for the others. It can justify what it likes as it likes and has been doing so for a very long time over a great many things from wiretapping foreign dignitaries to invasive overflights with drones - domesticly and otherwise. There are a great many things that can be done about it, but people would rather occupy themselves with other things, things that corporations endorse them to be upset over, like gun rights, or the "right" to eat all the sugar and fat they like.

No, the national debt will never be paid off, but that doesn't mean default. I believe our national debt has only been fully paid off once in our history (Could be wrong).

ScottNM said:

He spent more than the entire Iraq war in his first four years and all we got was a sluggish recovery. He has no business experience and it shows. The Obama care financial crash will hit in about 6 years. Long after he is gone. It will make the last democrat created housing crash look like a cake walk.

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And had he spent about twice that much we might well have seen a quicker and more robust recovery, but no, Republicans have done all they could, from the very beginning to now (halting government and causing the first downgrade in our history), to see to it that our economy does NOT come back exept for the parts that may directly benefit them like the market.

Ever wonder about that? everyone says the economy is slugish but companies are returning record profits (even financial institutions), and the market is flying.

canndo said:

And had he spent about twice that much we might well have seen a quicker and more robust recovery, but no, Republicans have done all they could, from the very beginning to now (halting government and causing the first downgrade in our history), to see to it that our economy does NOT come back exept for the parts that may directly benefit them like the market.

Ever wonder about that? everyone says the economy is slugish but companies are returning record profits (even financial institutions), and the market is flying.

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I'm glad he wasn't able to spend twice what he did, and surprised that you think we'd be better off today if he had

Bombur said:

I'm glad he wasn't able to spend twice what he did, and surprised that you think we'd be better off today if he had

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so young, so full of hope.

progressives liberals and democrats dont understand how money works, they believe it comes from magic fairies who sprinkle the whitehouse rose garden with pixie dust and turn horse crap into gold.

they believe that if you feel the sting of taxation you therefore must have too much money already, and thus they should stick it to you even harder, and when they spend that money it creates MORE money in a never-ending cycle of fuzzy mathematics, nonsensical diagrams and poorly sourced charts (which are also provided by magic fairies)

Bombur said:

I'm glad he wasn't able to spend twice what he did, and surprised that you think we'd be better off today if he had

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empirical evidence disagrees with you.

Dr Kynes said:

so young, so full of hope.

progressives liberals and democrats dont understand how money works, they believe it comes from magic fairies who sprinkle the whitehouse rose garden with pixie dust and turn horse crap into gold.

they believe that if you feel the sting of taxation you therefore must have too much money already, and thus they should stick it to you even harder, and when they spend that money it creates MORE money in a never-ending cycle of fuzzy mathematics, nonsensical diagrams and poorly sourced charts (which are also provided by magic fairies)

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the ARRA lowered your tax burden by at least a thousand.

or do you feel that the government could have spent your money better?

what about that highway near you which has been widened or improved? do you enjoy paying the extra money for poor infrastructure at the register?

you are a propagandist dipwit.

and your purple prose is annoying to anyone that did not also fall for newt gingrich in the primaries.

Dr Kynes said:

so young, so full of hope.

progressives liberals and democrats dont understand how money works, they believe it comes from magic fairies who sprinkle the whitehouse rose garden with pixie dust and turn horse crap into gold.

they believe that if you feel the sting of taxation you therefore must have too much money already, and thus they should stick it to you even harder, and when they spend that money it creates MORE money in a never-ending cycle of fuzzy mathematics, nonsensical diagrams and poorly sourced charts (which are also provided by magic fairies)

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They also don't seem to realise that the VAST majority of the QE propelling the markets will NEVER reach the average citizen.

Traders be tradin' (and stuffing their wallets with cash).