Apache AT600 led vs 1000w HPS Blue Dream Grow

Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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PSUAGRO. said:
BUT blue dream gets the #'s though:wink:.................haters!, you cali guys are sooooooo spoiled.......lol

I can wait for the final tallies, I got patience ................be safe grower
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Gets the yield numbers...but not the "donation" numbers. And for me it wasn't that much better than any other strain...I'm still a ways from the 2lb club.
hyroot said:
yeah but us Cali guys been doing it since we were 13 years old... Lol.. Some shit gets old after a while. Blue dream, train wreck, sour diesel, og, pre 98 bubba , mendo bubba grand daddy purple. have been flooding the market for so long. Large scale growers were only growing those strains for years..
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14 for me :) This is my 10th year...hard to believe.
Cococola36 said:
Damn you GG, and all you cali heads with your awesome strains lol!!
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The hunt never ends!!!
 
Greengenes707

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I might have a little mix of strains this run. 4x8 of white buffalo, then 4x4 of blue dream. And then maybe even some(2x4) GSCxJilly. All very sativa doms, but all super dank as well. Really excited for this buffalo...I always wanted to run romulan, but never found one I could trust. This one looks like a mix of BBK and Rom leaves to me so far. No idea what bay11 is like or is supposed to bring. My dream is solid as I know from last run. GSCxJilly will be a mystery...this one is still up in the air if it will happen. Then I have 2 Blue frost(PlatinumGSCxBlueberryDesiel) beans outside about 3 weeks old that I will take clones off.

Dream cuts are rooted and these moms are going into 5gal. I'm stepping up my clone game soon.
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Took root into their soil just fine...let the journey begin
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And I might change soil to the E.B Stone emerald triangle 420 recipe...this shit is working. I have two beans in it, and my normal wheeler mix, granted they are beans...but there is a big difference to me so far. It's pretty dense so the coco 50/50 is great with it. It's strong smelling...not bad, just strong as hell. I can make the sonoma aroma myself with a couple fresh bags.
So it will be this and my charged up old 50/50 mix.
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And lastly...does any one know what hess are. I have a general idea and know some general value. They were inherited, but I have no need or want for them. What should I do with them??
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You don't know what those are? Surprised. Just seeing as your from cali and grow for clubs and I'm from TX and have used gthose multiple times. LOL They are fancy environmental controls that do so bu utilizing and intake and exhaust setup. Manipulating the intake and exhaust speeds help regulate the area as a whole. For professional setup rooms or people who setup and wires a complete room themselves. We used them in conjunction with CO2 as well, since you can program all that in. Or atleast on ours that looked exactly the same you could.
 
Greengenes707

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gk skunky said:
You don't know what those are? Surprised. Just seeing as your from cali and grow for clubs and I'm from TX and have used gthose multiple times. LOL They are fancy environmental controls that do so bu utilizing and intake and exhaust setup. Manipulating the intake and exhaust speeds help regulate the area as a whole. For professional setup rooms or people who setup and wires a complete room themselves. We used them in conjunction with CO2 as well, since you can program all that in. Or atleast on ours that looked exactly the same you could.
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I am not an expert on a lot of stuff. I know its general use but didn't think it could be used on my current scale. I am an outdoor guy as far as the clubs are concerned. My personal overflow indoor goes there and is top shelf when I have it, but my reputation and reliability were founded on the top quality outdoor. I only helped run a 20k in-house facility for a club for a year. It was not the most legit is an understatement. All my personal indoor gardens have pretty much been all cap products till recent(no more cap).
 
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gk skunky

gk skunky

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Greengenes707 said:
I am not an expert on a lot of stuff. I know its general use but didn't think it could be used on my current scale. I am an outdoor guy as far as the clubs are concerned. My personal overflow indoor goes there and is top shelf when I have it, but my reputation and reliability were founded on the top quality outdoor. I only helped run a 20k in-house facility for a club for a year. It was not the most legit is an understatement. All my personal indoor gardens have pretty much been all cap products till recent(no more cap).
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Nice! Outdoor is one thing I've never really got to do. Only one or two plants that were unattended made it. The ones I tried to grow either got are by wildlife or destroyed by weather. If you don't want to use that thing you could sell it for $2k no problem.
 
Grobility

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Cococola36 said:
Yea cause pulling big numbers and exceptional quality with my "mostly green 860 watt" lamps has been so useless for me....this was the biggest load of crap I ever read on this forum in 3 years
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Sorry that you take offense. In my world this bulb is useless. Way to much of the light output is in the green spectrum. This bulb can not achieve the PPF numbers that the agro can (almost certain the 600w digital beat it in our tests too). This is just not a viable option if you are calculating your par output per watt (sales reps can claim anything). I am just trying to spread the proper information, I am not telling you to throw your bulb out. I have tested the 860w and that is what I speak from.
 
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Grobility said:
Sorry that you take offense. In my world this bulb is useless. Way to much of the light output is in the green spectrum. This bulb can not achieve the PPF numbers that the agro can (almost certain the 600w digital beat it in our tests too). This is just not a viable option if you are calculating your par output per watt (sales reps can claim anything). I am just trying to spread the proper information, I am not telling you to throw your bulb out. I have tested the 860w and that is what I speak from.
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And he runs 2 in actual use. And pulls fucking weight.
The 860 has the a much higher ppf than 600hps. The 860 has the highest a umols/watt...show some sources or your findings please
 
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One mans trash is another mans treasure! bongsmilie Soooo GG saving me some dream and white buffalo cuts when I figure out how to bend space and time to travel instantaneously??? Workin on it with morgan freeman and steven hawking (morgan freemans money for research hahaha) :lol:
 
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Greengenes707 said:
And lastly...does any one know what hess are. I have a general idea and know some general value. They were inherited, but I have no need or want for them. What should I do with them??
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those are inverters!!! yaskava is a very good company how many watts are?they have many fuctions but most we use to power motors with soft start/stop and speed control.
 
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PSUAGRO.

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Greengenes707 said:
And he runs 2 in actual use. And pulls fucking weight.
The 860 has the a much higher ppf than 600hps. The 860 has the highest a umols/watt...show some sources or your findings please
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The 315w agro has almost 2ppf/per watt!, it is the highest on the market !! unfortunately it comes in only one low wattage version for now. Heard about the 600+w coming out, but that was awhile ago===IDK on the ETA..

It won't hold it's own against the 860w cmh, for obvious reasons:P..........watt for watt, unbeatable IMO.
 
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The 315w agro has almost 2ppf/per watt!, it is the highest on the market !! unfortunately it comes in only one low wattage version for now. Heard about the 600+w coming out, but that was awhile ago===IDK on the ETA..

It won't hold it's own against the 860w cmh, for obvious reasons:P..........watt for watt, unbeatable IMO.
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I don't think I would declare CMH as unbeatable. The Phillips cut sheet shows 1.9 only at the first 100 hours. Even by referencing the Phillips white sheet your going to have a depreciation of 10% @ 8K hours which puts it at 1.7 uMole/sec/watt. And none of these values account for the ballast inefficiencies which is pretty significant with CMH.

http://www.usa.lighting.philips.com/pwc_li/us_en/connect/tools_literature/downloads/415216.pdf

When the technical comparisons were done in 'Measuring Plant Light' it was understood that these lamps must be run on magnetic ballasts so their efficiencies will drop considerably. Unless there is a digital ballast that can run these lamps you still have to account for magnetic ballast inefficiencies which places a CMH lamp/ballast combination to a means average of .89 uMole/sec/watt.

When you compare it with other technologies and comparative area coverage it's a good grow light but I would certainly not qualify it as unbeatable. I think a good side by side would be a start through finish CMH versus plasma since the efficiencies and spectrums are so similar as was detailed on page 6 in the PPF (uMole/sec/watt) as a lamp/ballast technical comparison between these two technologies.

http://www.inda-gro.com/pdf/MeasuringPlantLight.pdf
 
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PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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Hold the door there Katie. Where are you finding a 2 uMole/sec/watt specification?

I see it listed as a 100 lumen/watt (hmm Phillips still shows lumens on a grow lamp...) with a claimed 85% PPF maintenance at 20K hours. That means the lamp only depreciates by 15% in 20K hours.
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Said "almost" 2ppf/per watt....a little exaggerated;-) 1.9umol/sec according to philips, still beastly #'s

http://www.usa.ecat.lighting.philips.com/l/professional-lamps/high-intensity-discharge-lamps/hid-horticulture/mastercolor-cdm-t-elite-med-wattage-agro/928601172201_na/#photometrics_diagrams_anchor

https://www.cycloptics.com/green-power-315w
 
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