Anyone know how to make X?

MrEDuck

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Superquick I wasn't talking about the synths, I know the synths in TS are good. It's the sources for chemicals that are bad. Ordering listed chemicals from them is the equivalent of calling the DEA an telling them you plan on making MDMA or some other scheduled chemical.

MSwills how is MDMA any more or less difficult than MDA or MDEA? Other than MDA requires ammonia instead of methylamine, which is quite easy to make.

Bwpz try extracting some DMT or mescaline, unless you have real lab experience. The difference between an A/B extraction and a multistep synthesis is huge.
 
forgetfulpenguin

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I think Strike got wiser (not wise enough to keep from getting busted) and pulled all specific sources from TS II. I thumbed my copy and all the Where To Buy chapter had was general advice on the different kinds of chem and glassware suppliers. Basically the advice is now just look in the local yellow pages.

I wouldn't recommend any source that gets mentioned in a book like that.
 
MrEDuck

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Yeah ordering any chems is a pretty good way to draw attention to oneself. It's rare to find anything that can be made 100% OTC these days. I'd probably look into starting a lab if I could get the chems quietly.
 
2fast92

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My friend that is a chem major used to do it but I have no idea how he managed to do so. I did some and it was pretty good.
 
dam612

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2fast92 said:
My friend that is a chem major used to do it but I have no idea how he managed to do so. I did some and it was pretty good.
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thats gotta be the scariest part about your first run Hmmmm do i try it? or will it kill me? guess the only way to really know would be run a gcms of it
 
2fast92

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I had him try it before I did. I was a little wary at first but when I saw him do a point and start rollin' really hard I got convinced it was goodl
 
DuMpSteRLoVe216

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lakew00d said:
From my understanding isnt X and Molly the same shit?
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no molly is Trifluoromethylphenylpiper-azine Monohydrochloride and mdma is methylenedioxylmethaphetamine(dont know if i spelled it right)both have similar highs mdma(pills not pure) is like molly but with meth and a some other shit in it,if it has heroin its not real ecstasy somebody didnt make it right
edit: molly stands for molecule
 
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Tenner

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DuMpSteRLoVe216 said:
no molly is Trifluoromethylphenylpiper-azine Monohydrochloride and mdma is methylenedioxylmethaphetamine(dont know if i spelled it right)both have similar highs mdma is like molly but with meth and a some other shit in it,if it has heroin its not real ecstasy somebody didnt make it right
edit: molly stands for molecule
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Thats not true. Molly is just another slang name for MDMA just like Mandy is. TFMPP has nothing to do with this :)

DuMpSteRLoVe216 said:
yea if it was pure mdma it wouldnt be in pill form
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Thats not true either there are pure mdma pills the whole meaning of a pill is the delivery of the drug, not whats in it. As far as purity goes a good pill would be mdma with a non psychoactive filler. Sell mdma in baggies and you have people all over the place sticking keys and fingers in them. Sell pills and people can just swallow them :)
 
DuMpSteRLoVe216

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Tenner said:
Thats not true. Molly is just another slang name for MDMA just like Mandy is. TFMPP has nothing to do with this :)



Thats not true either there are pure mdma pills the whole meaning of a pill is the delivery of the drug, not whats in it. As far as purity goes a good pill would be mdma with a non psychoactive filler. Sell mdma in baggies and you have people all over the place sticking keys and fingers in them. Sell pills and people can just swallow them :)
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what is Trifluoromethylphenylpiper-azine Monohydrochloride then? not sayin your wrong just wondering,the only pure mdma ive ever had was from some cambodians from canada, and once from a hells angel at a bar in east cleveland everybody else's "molly" ive had is always cut with something,i bought a mdma tester(sulfuric acid) from ecstasydata.org for $25 dollars and the pure molly turned black and regular-xpills turned purple and fake pills turn red(speed)so that makes sense it would be pure mdma, and it as a pill ive just never seen it,dought i ever will either i would love to find some tho
 
canndo

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Bwpz said:
I'm interested in that, can you PM it to me? I'm just wondering if I can make anything good besides shrooms, doesn't have to necessarily be X.
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There is a world of things you can do if you are unafraid and willing to do your homework. Believe me.
 
forgetfulpenguin

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To reiterate molly is slang for MDMA not TFMPP.
https://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=1793
"Molly" is short for "molecule" and is a slang term for MDMA that comes in the form of pure MDMA crystals or powder (as opposed to pills). It is chemically the same thing as any other MDMA, and there's nothing special about it - other than the fact that having it in pure form allows you to know for sure what you have and to measure out accurate doses.

It should be noted that anytime a slang term develops which is intended to be used for the purest for of a substance, it quickly becomes used for all forms of the substance as every dealer wants their product to sound as pure and high quality as possible.
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DuMpSteRLoVe216 said:
what is Trifluoromethylphenylpiper-azine Monohydrochloride then?
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That question is too vague to make any sense to me. What specifically do you want to know about the chemical.

DuMpSteRLoVe216 said:
i bought a mdma tester(sulfuric acid) from ecstasydata.org for $25 dollars and the pure molly turned black and regular-xpills turned purple and fake pills turn red(speed)so that makes sense it would be pure mdma, and it as a pill ive just never seen it,dought i ever will either i would love to find some tho[/B]
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While I applaud you for using a reagent test kit I should remind you that dropping a bit of Marquis Reagent on an unknown chemical mixture will not assure you it is pure. You also didn't subsequently use the reagent kit that can differentiate MDMA/MDE from MDA. You know whether or not the pills contain MDMA, MDE, and/or MDA but it is not a quantitative analysis.
 
Alpha492

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Well I think the advice about knowing its actual name would be valuable.
MDMA is supposedly pure Methylenedioxymethamphetamine however pure is relative because any chemical reaction will produce unintended byproducts, and with one as complicated as the one needed for MDMA I'm sure you would be very lucky to achieve an 80% yield of intended products. By intended products I mean products in which the yield can be theoretically determined.
Also you will probably need to study chemistry for about 4 years before producing mdma of worthwhile purity. From my 2 years of chemical engineering studies I'll try to size up for you a little bit the task you would have to undertake.


Chemical Formula: C11H15NO2
Although NO2 is a polyatomic ion (I'm assuming in this case)
So the Formula can actually be expressed as
C11H15(NO2)

From what I've gathered from wikipedia MDMA is synthesized from the natural compound piperonyl acetone. Unfortunately this will require that you first isomerize the natural compound as the geometric charge distribution on piperonyl acetone is different from MDMA. Meaning that in order for the necessary chemical reaction to take place you must make space on the proper part of the chemical structure at the right time.


From the diagram I gather that the original compound is reacted with H3C (very unstable), and Nitric Oxide to isomerize the original compound. The geometric charge structure reorients itself with the added compounds changing the polarity of the compound so that the northern oxygen pole is removed. With the oxygen repositioned H3C and NH2 can be easily bonded with the sample to create MDMA.

Good luck!
 
forgetfulpenguin

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Alpha492 said:
Also you will probably need to study chemistry for about 4 years before producing mdma of worthwhile purity
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Depends on your definition of worthwhile: In my experience most consumers don't care what it is as long as it gets them high. Look at the "herbal incense" and "bath salts" that have been sold OTC. The people who buy those products don't know what they are but they don't care as long as the product gets them high. Look at Dr. Drool's writeup on the Rhodium archive. He didn't think to recrystallize the final product because "it looked snow-white to me.":rolleyes: It's sad but can you honestly tell me I'm wrong?

Alpha492 said:
From what I've gathered from wikipedia
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The rhodium archive is a much better place to study underground MDMA synthesis. The forum went down several years ago so it's not the latest but it's still a great resource.
https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/index.html
 
MrEDuck

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Alpha492 said:
Well I think the advice about knowing its actual name would be valuable.
MDMA is supposedly pure Methylenedioxymethamphetamine however pure is relative because any chemical reaction will produce unintended byproducts, and with one as complicated as the one needed for MDMA I'm sure you would be very lucky to achieve an 80% yield of intended products. By intended products I mean products in which the yield can be theoretically determined.
Also you will probably need to study chemistry for about 4 years before producing mdma of worthwhile purity. From my 2 years of chemical engineering studies I'll try to size up for you a little bit the task you would have to undertake.


Chemical Formula: C11H15NO2
Although NO2 is a polyatomic ion (I'm assuming in this case)
So the Formula can actually be expressed as
C11H15(NO2)

From what I've gathered from wikipedia MDMA is synthesized from the natural compound piperonyl acetone. Unfortunately this will require that you first isomerize the natural compound as the geometric charge distribution on piperonyl acetone is different from MDMA. Meaning that in order for the necessary chemical reaction to take place you must make space on the proper part of the chemical structure at the right time.


From the diagram I gather that the original compound is reacted with H3C (very unstable), and Nitric Oxide to isomerize the original compound. The geometric charge structure reorients itself with the added compounds changing the polarity of the compound so that the northern oxygen pole is removed. With the oxygen repositioned H3C and NH2 can be easily bonded with the sample to create MDMA.

Good luck!
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Ummm...NO.
You see the picture of the molecular structure you posted? That's got all the functional groups in it. You can't figure out the structure from the molecular formula unless it's a very simple compound. There is no nitro group in MDMA.
You also can't just methylate MDA to make MDMA. You would end up with methylenedioxytrimethyl-2-propylammonium salt. You can make the formylamide and reduce it. Amines are way too nucleophilic to methylate directly.
You also don't need to study Chem for 4 years to make good MDMA. It comes down to lab skills more than anything. You only need a year of organic to understand the reactions.
Even starting from safrole (the easiest synthetic route is to isomerize safrole, wacker oxidize it to mdp2p, reductive ammination to MDMA) an 80% yield wouldn't be possible, but that doesn't mean it would be impure. Almost no reactions give quantitative yields, and there are often by products. This is why we've come up with so many ways to purify compounds like recrystalization, chromatography. The only impurity you need to worry about is Hg if the amalgam is used to reductively amminate the mdp2p.
Take organic before you start trying to propose syntheses.
 
SuperQuick

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MrEDuck said:
Superquick I wasn't talking about the synths, I know the synths in TS are good. It's the sources for chemicals that are bad. Ordering listed chemicals from them is the equivalent of calling the DEA an telling them you plan on making MDMA or some other scheduled chemical.

MSwills how is MDMA any more or less difficult than MDA or MDEA? Other than MDA requires ammonia instead of methylamine, which is quite easy to make.

Bwpz try extracting some DMT or mescaline, unless you have real lab experience. The difference between an A/B extraction and a multistep synthesis is huge.
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I'm assuming you guys are all from the States or Canada? In South Africa, chemical acquisition is indeed possible. It's just about who you know and how much that person's price is. ;-)

Anything is possible here with the right connections. I can pick up drivers licenses, Identity documents, work permits and even passports all for under R2000 ($247). It's sad, but true.
 
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