Anyone know Colorado growing laws and punishments?

bucknail

Active Member
So I have family wanting to grow in Colorado, and we have been unable to find a real answer about what the punishment for growing is and if it varies with the quantity or number of plants. Have done some searching but you now how it goes reading legal mumbo jumbo.

The biggest concern is the children in the house. ( 2 under 6 yrs) Obviously every precaution would be taken to seclude children from grow area. I know it's illegal but is it like prison time illegal or just maybe some fines??

Any knowledge would be great.
 

eLLisD

Well-Known Member
Pretty much just grow under 100 plants and your fine. Also the drug laws arent what they use to be, they have all been decriminalized since then. You can never get life in prison for drugs anymore. Dont worry about the laws, just be descrete. The law is not broken if no one knows about it.
 

mogie

Well-Known Member
Under present Colorado law, possession of less than an ounce of marijuana for personal consumption is punished by a summons and fine of one hundred dollars. Some people have proposed that the current penalty be replaced by a jail term of up to six months. Based on studies from other states, replacing the current system of fines with a system of potential jail sentences would cost Colorado well over 10 million dollars a year, without making a dent in marijuana use. While the Legislature might determine that the cost is a worthwhile expense, this large fiscal obligation, like any other large expenditure, should be incurred only after thorough consideration of its implications.
The Colorado Constitution requires that all bills by the General Assembly pertain to only one topic, and that the topic be "clearly expressed" in the title. House Bill1173 violates the "one topic" and "clear title" Constitutional rules, and may therefore be extremely vulnerable to a lawsuit to block enforcement. The Constitution and common sense both suggest that the Legislature be careful about enacting laws which will be readily overturned on procedural grounds.


 

bittersweetkimberly

Active Member
Actually I have the same question about Indiana, I can't believe I didn't think of this before I started germination. And being a member of this website and posting my thoughts and what I may or may not do, am I running a risk of being watched more closely or something. I actually am being asked this because it's my mom's house and she wants to know if her house will be watched or something. I said we would have to do something in order for them to even look for a reason to watch us. But fmi, does anyone know the laws of Indiana on pot plants and growing?
 

bucknail

Active Member
Well discretion is always best but any prison time would be a lifetime to me so it's always good to be educated on the risks. 100 plants sounds like a ton but I have heard that before. Under 100 plants not a big deal 100-101 big trouble. Not sure how true all that is but someone forwarded me this site and it's great cuz it cuts all the bs and just gives the facts.

Marijuana Law Reform - NORML i think sorry i screwed up on copying the link. peace and luv to all!!
 

420penguin

Well-Known Member
wow, a lot of issues.

a) what are my local laws?

It's not cheap, but pay a local lawyer to find out. Anyone else who gives you advice is an amateur and you're just as likely to get good advice from your dog the next time you get high.

b) Am I being tracked here or exposing myself to more risk by posting here.

Holy shit is this complex.

Last week I heard rollitup say that he doesn't track IPs. That's good if it's true.

But your IP and activity could still be tracked by a local ISP.

You can obfuscate some information about your connection via anonymous browsing via torpark, Torrify but it's slow and annoying. I use it, but it's not nice. Even then, if you tell people too much about yourself then they may be able to figure out who you are.

c) YOU DIDN'T ASK THIS QUESTION BUT IT'S RELEVANT. Are my pictures anonymous?

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

There are many problems with pictures. I post my pictures but you need to be really good to post pictures anonymously. Be sure that you never registered your camera to you. If you can, scrub your info from the meta tags in your pictures, and then never post a picture that might provide info about you. And with the current high resolutions of cameras...you could easily goof up and take a picture that will lead to identification of yourself.

Good luck with your grow, your kids, and with staying anonymous. And please vote for people that support legalization so we can stop all this stress about getting caught.
 

420penguin

Well-Known Member
not to be a pain in the ass...but growing in some states is still a REALLY SERIOUS OFFENSE. I don't have kids but if you do and it's a concern for you then you really should drop $100 to talk to an attorney to see what they can tell you.

A website is nifty...but it's not the same thing as life experience. Much as I hate it, lawyers have a monopoly on their knowledge. While the law may state that growing is only worth 6 months in county...your local attorney will know that the local judge has a beef about weed and that he will add a felony charge for the gun you have on the property to the weed charge. Now you're facing 18 months in a state facility(THIS MEANS BIGGER DUDES THAT WANT TO FUCK YOU)

So anyhow, I grow and I encourage you to grow. But if your recreations are affecting those that you love...please see a local attorney to get advise.
 

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

Well-Known Member
Pretty much just grow under 100 plants and your fine. Also the drug laws arent what they use to be, they have all been decriminalized since then. You can never get life in prison for drugs anymore. Dont worry about the laws, just be descrete. The law is not broken if no one knows about it.
100 plants ????? im from the uk and were a bit softer on cannabis laws than the usa ,my friend got busted with 8 plants in flower and he had a job to blagg "personal use " ,the police wanted to charge him with intent to supply,100 plants is a fuckin huge amount of plants (weed) and theres no way you could claim that amount is for your own personal use :confused:
 

mogie

Well-Known Member
This is someone else's views on safety while online:

GrowFAQ : How can I post with more personal safety?

Added by: 10k Last edited by: 10k Viewed: 892 times Rated by 35 users: 9.44/10Contributed by: Burramys Parvus
submitted: June 27, 2003

How can I post with more personal safety?
As most of you reading this will realize, this website is dedicated to the cultivation of cannabis. If you apply logic to this, you will also note that this site is no doubt an interest to law enforcement agencies the world over. You see, police and governments hate the use of cannabis, and they'd do anything to crush the source (we, the grower). I have no doubt that many of these LEO have been through this site before, and I’m sure its being watched. I mean, they'd be stupid not to. This site is an excellent resource to us all, but when we use it, we should exercise maximum safety. This includes running safe and secure Internet connections and ensuring we are 'invisible' on the Internet. But, this is just a small detail... what is more concerning is the nature of the posts you make...

Why should I take note?
You can spend hundreds of dollars to hide your IP address and spend hours looking up good proxies so you can log on safely, but that is all worthless when you blurt out "Hi! I live in North Yorkshire, I'm 23 and have red hair". There. You've said some information about yourself. Now, that information alone will get LEO no closer to catching you, but now they have some information that sets you apart from the other 6 billion people on earth. Every little bit of personal information you give away, brings people closer and closer to the real you.

You may say, "Well, cops can't touch me, they can't prove any of this really existed and this can't be used against me." Well, you're probably right. But, do all the cops follow the book? No they don’t. If a cop wants to make a bust, or just wants to fuck someone over, they'll go to all lengths to do so. If you arrange to meet someone, or set up a 'safe address' with the 'wrong' person, you could have a rouge cop watching your house until you make a bad move and then he'll fuck you. A crooked cop wont try and charge you on what he sees on this site (if he ever knew who you really were) but he may watch you until he's got some real evidence, and then he'll pounce.

The chances of being tracked down just by posting on this site is so slim it’s hardly worth thinking about, but for me, it’s always something in the back of my mind. I will not tell anyone exactly how old I am, nor will I say where I live, what time zone I’m in, and I wont post a picture with any part of my body in it. Paranoid? Well yes, I am paranoid, but a paranoid man is a VERY safe man. When it comes to cannabis, it's not worth the risk. Would you rather be paranoid, or behind bars? I know which one I’d choose. Safety has priority over all of my cannabis and other 'illegal' activities, as soon as my personal safety is challenged, I’ll disappear. The second I think I’m under the watchful eyes of big brother, or someone knows too much, everything vanishes. You wouldn't even think I drink beer after this place is cleaned out! This paranoia is what keeps me safe, and one step ahead of the long flabby arm of the 'law'.

Now posting is one thing, but posting information that is specific to you is just moronic. You might as well post "Hey there LEO! My name is John Smith and I live at 742 Evergreen Terrace Springfield! I have 20 plants in the basement! Arrest my stupid ass!”

You may be thinking that no one would be stupid enough to post specific information. Do you know how many threads I’ve seen "Check out this Nissan Skyline I wrecked last night, I crashed into a telephone pole!” All LEO has to do is waddle their fat asses over to a computer database, search for all Nissan Skylines crashed on the 12th March 2003 in the Florida area, and you're under the watch of LEO.

Its just silly little things like that, you may not even think there is any connection to you but there really is. LEO aren't stupid, it's their job to fuck us over, and they will. Everything you say about yourself and where you live narrows down the possibilities of finding the 'real you' from 1 in 6 billion, to perhaps 1 in 100.

What can I do to ensure I post with maximum safety?
When posting pictures, make sure you never post any skin parts of your body. Don't be a goose and take a photo of something metallic, and realize that you can see yourself in the reflection! Don’t laugh, this happens more than you think! After you take a photo, rename it so it doesn’t have your camera's code on it. Make sure when you upload photo's you haven't added the 'author' to the photo by mistake (its in every photos properties, take a look). Look through every photo and make sure it doesn’t hold any information about yourself. Check and double check. It's worth the effort.

Don’t post anything 'area specific'. Products, news, information about your exact location are easily posted by mistake. If you take a photo of a model of washing basket that was only produced in your state, then one could assume you live in the area where that product was released.

How do I check my photos to make sure no specific information is posted?
Well there are a few things you can do to make sure you haven't done anything stupid. Let me refer to the man on Ebay who was trying to sell his kettle. If you looked in the reflection of the kettle, you could clearly see the man totally naked, holding his camera up to his face. You'd be surprised how often you can look at a grow room photo on this very website, and see the author in the reflection. Don't laugh, I've seen it at least twice in the past few months. Don't take a picture of anything metallic, and if you do, make sure it is on an appropriate angle so as to not reveal yourself to the cannabis world! A good graphics man can easily turn a distorted reflection into a nice quality photograph.

Just make sure you scan through every photo, looking at everything to make sure that you haven't got your reflection somewhere. Make sure that there isn't anything that is specific to you. No newspapers, no magazines... just make sure that the photo is generic (ie it could have been taken in ANYONES grow room) this includes making sure that there aren't any product names etc in the photos. For small items, i recommend photographing them in front of a plain wall, and if you must hold them, wear surgical gloves

For scanning photos
Now this will surprise you. I've seen members here post pics of fish and assorted other things that they've scanned in. Of course, the same rules apply as above, nothing 'area specific'... but (this will knock you back in your seat) I've seen photos that have been scanned in, with a big fat juicy fingerprint on the top of it. I could clearly make out about 50% of the fingerprint in excellent detail! I was shocked at the ignorance this man displayed! Here was a trusted overgrower, showing his fingerprints for the whole world to see!

The point here is, run over every photo you take with medical precision! check every inch of every photo to make sure it doesn't have your reflection, your newspapers, your magazines... and of course, fingerprints!

Now, on the topic of photos, some of you will be aware that photos can have information about the author etc stored in them. This is how file sharing programs work (you wankers would know, when you search for porn, how do you think that the search word relates to the picture?) hehe! Well some photo programs MAY store your information along with the picture, by grabbing the computers registered username and putting it in the 'author' section of the picture. Most programs wont do this, some crappy ones might, so just make sure. You can do this by going to an 'image information' section of your photo editing program and ensuring that it hasn't stored any information.
 

mogie

Well-Known Member
Internet Connection Rules
There are already extensive FAQ's and threads on proxies and internet security, so i wont go into that here, but i will give out some basic rules for proxies and this site:

Never mention WHICH proxy server you are using. If you do that, you might as well not use a proxy at all. Doing this cuts out the 'middle man' and makes LEO's job much easier (if he wants you, of course)

Don't give out your personal email address, ICQ number, and don't tell other people what chat sites you use. These are all unsecure.

Remember, there is no rule saying LEO can't register an account here and be REALLY friendly to you, is there? No of course there isn't, don't be blind! Anyone could be LEO, so don't go around giving out contact information at the drop of a hat!

Now, there is much misunderstanding regarding proxies and firewalls. Firewalls DO NOT hide your IP and do NOT make you invisible on the internet. They merely stop unsolicited connections to and from your computer. Firewalls will stop random attempts from other computers to connect or communicate with your computer, and they will stop direct attempts to 'hack' your computer. This is all they do, they do not play any other part in securing your connection. This is where the proxy comes into play. By connecting through a proxy, you are effectively 'not yourself'. To all computers and servers you connect to, it seems as though you are they proxy. You will show all the proxies connection information, and none of your own. This makes you invisible, as you are no longer displaying your correct connection information. This is why it is unwise to log on to this site without being behind a proxy. Having a firewall does nothing to your internet invisibility, but it does help stop computers communicating with your computer without your permission.

This applies to more than just posting
Although PM's and private messages in Chat are not public, they are still on a database somewhere, and someone with the correct knowledge and resources could access them. In most cases, this is less of an issue, although there still is some risk. I would pay attention to make sure you don't give out direct information in PM's, but perhaps link your mate to a non-cannabis chat site where you will only log on in a private room to give out an address or other secret information. Alternatively, you could learn to use PGP and encrypt all your sensitive PM's with this. Just keep in mind that although your average Jo cannot access PM's, anyone with the knowledge of internet hacking could do this. But why would someone hack your PM's? They would have to have a valid reason from your postings on Overgrow.com to feel the need to break into this site and take a peek at your PM's. Its all related, so just keep clean EVERYWHERE!

But, its not just through hacking that people can gain access to your PM's and such. The second you write some text and press 'send' the message is blasted off through cyberspace, but it doesn't link directly to the secure overgrow.com servers. First, it has to pass through your ISP, and even your proxy server. Anyone sniffing the line will be able to read what you send, and what you read. This is why it is more than advisable to use PGP encrypt ion when sending private information, and even using an off-site email server to send this information. Remembering that overgrow.com is more than likely under the watchful eyes of 'Big Brother', and that the more you keep your real information away from here, the better. PGP encrypt your secret information and use an off-site email server is my advise to you. Don't get paranoid about all PM's, but just make sure that your real information doesn't get posted around here without PGP, and just to be sure, use a non-cannabis email server to post these PGP encrypted messages.

PGP is rather straight forward these days. Interfacing with most popular email clients is seamless and easy to use. Just follow the install instructions:
http://www.pgp.com/products/personal.html

To conclude
Don't fool yourself. LEO is watching this site. Do we have proof? No we don’t, but do we need it? If you were part of the DEA during all this 'War on Drugs' crap, would you ignore such a mass of growers all communicating on one site? I certainly wouldn't! Even if there was no way of actually catching people, I’d like to know what equipment is related to cannabis use, what people are doing, what they like, what to look out for etc. For all you know, I could be George Bush... can you prove I’m not? This is exactly what I mean, your most trusted 'friend' on overgrow could be your local LEO checking up on you!

All I’m saying here is, this site is most likely being watched. Watch what you say, Big Brother is watching... being paranoid will keep us one step ahead, we need every advantage we can get.
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battosai

Well-Known Member
mogie, u wouldnt be hiding a proxy u go through. you would LOOK like the proxy you go through in turn hiding your originating ip addr. and pgp is good stuff. there is an open source version called gpg.

anonymous connections: try using the TOR onion routing system, found here Tor: anonymity online this is a publicly available proxy system that uses a lot of jumps (onion routing has layers) to hide your originating spot. even downloads with some extra software to hide browser time stamps and what not.

anyways id recommend it. anyone that can't figure it out from teh website i listed ill try to be more explicit [is that word used right? fuq it]
 

Traxxe

Active Member
Don't be deluded. It's not totally safe to post on the web. I worked for an ISP and when subpena's came in for information I had to by law publish what sites you went to, when, etc. An ISP knows this information even if the website you are posting on does not.

Most of the times I dealt with the law it had to do with pedophilia though. Very few 'other' things.'

Use a masking service to hide your IP. Even this is not foolproof.
 

j1sjones

Active Member
ITS A CLASS 4 FELONY, and 2-6 YEARS is the sentencing range!!!!!! NOW, A plea bargin can lower the charge and sentence.... Im not a lawer, but a first TIME "CROOK" could plea the charge down to nothing with a good lawer( AND MOST DO PLEA BARGIN). BUT, If you have a RAP sheet THEN YOU MOST LIKELY WILL GO BYE, BYE FOR 2 YEARS(or more)!!! Where you go to court and the judge you get will be a factor.. Some judges are hard asses!!!! .. If you have 100+ plants the'll bring in the FEDRAL CHARGES!!!!
 

Moon Shadow

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Colorado[/FONT]
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Incarceration


Fine
Possession1 oz or lesspetty offensenone$1001 oz or less - failure to appearmisdemeanor6 months$500Display or use in publicmisdemeanor15 days additionalnone1 to 8 ozmisdemeanor6 - 18 months$500 - $5,000 ($600 surcharge)More than 8 ozfelony1 -3 years$1,000 - $100,000 ($1,125 surcharge)Subsequent convictions over 1 oz could double penalties.
Medical use permitted with no more than 2 oz, or 6 plants, physician recommendation and state registration.
16 - 48 hours community service required with diverted prison sentence.Sale or CultivationLess than 1 oz (without payment)petty offensenone$100 Any amount (with payment)felony2 - 6 years$2,000 - $500,000 ($1,500 surcharge)Transport more than 100 lbsfelony8 - 24 years$5, 000 - $1,000,000Transfer to a minorfelony2 - 6 years$2,000 - $500,000Sale within 1,000 feet of school or public housingfelony8 - 24 years$10,000 - $1,000,000Miscellaneous (paraphernalia, license suspensions, drug tax stamps, etc...)Paraphernalia possession or salepetty offensenone$100Any felony conviction causes driver's license suspension for 1 year.Details
Possession of one ounce or less of marijuana is a petty offense. The offender receives a summons to appear in court, and upon a promise to appear in court, the offender is to be released from detention. The maximum penalty for a violation is $100. Failure to appear at the specified time and location results in the increase of the charges to a misdemeanor. Displaying or using the marijuana in public results in the added penalty of up to 15 days in jail. Possession of greater than one ounce is a misdemeanor, punishable by 6-18 months in jail and a fine of $500 - $5,000, plus a $600 surcharge. Possession of greater than 8 ounces of marijuana is a felony, punishable by 1 - 3 years in prison and a fine of $1,000 - $100,000 and a surcharge of $1,125. Generally, subsequent convictions of possession of over one ounce double the possible penalties.
Transfer of less than one ounce of marijuana for no consideration is considered possession and is punished as such. Any other transfer, sale, manufacture or cultivation is a felony, punishable by 2 – 4 years in prison and a fine of $2,000 - $500,000 and a $1,500 surcharge. Any transport of greater than 100 lbs. is punishable by 8 – 24 years in prison and a fine of $5,000 - $1,000,000. Any transfer to a minor is also a felony punishable by 2 – 4 years in prison and a fine of $2,000 - $500,000. Any sale within 1000 feet of a school or public housing area increases the penalties to 8 – 24 years in prison and a fine of $10,000 to $1,000,000.
Patients who possess written documentation from their physician recommending the use of marijuana and are registered with the state and issued an identification card may legally possess no more than two ounces of marijuana or no more than six marijuana plants.
Any convictions for drug offenses that involve diversion from the prison system require a mandatory 16 - 48 hours of community service.
Any felony convictions involving possession or sale of marijuana also result in the suspension of the offender's driver's license for a period of up to one year.
Possession or sale of paraphernalia is a petty offense punishable by a fine of up to $100.

Conditional release: The state allows conditional release or alternative or diversion sentencing for people facing their first prosecutions. Usually, conditional release lets a person opt for probation rather than trial. After successfully completing probation, the individual's criminal record does not reflect the charge.
Decriminalization: The state has decriminalized marijuana to some degree. Typically, decriminalization means no prison time or criminal record for first-time possession of a small amount for personal consumption. The conduct is treated like a minor traffic violation.
Medical marijuana: This state has medical marijuana laws enacted. Modern research suggests that cannabis is a valuable aid in the treatment of a wide range of clinical applications. These include pain relief, nausea, spasticity, glaucoma, and movement disorders. Marijuana is also a powerful appetite stimulant and emerging research suggests that marijuana's medicinal properties may protect the body against some types of malignant tumors, and are neuroprotective. For more information see NORML's Medical Marijuana section.
Also see Federal Laws
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Moon Shadow

Well-Known Member
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Indiana[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] conditional drugged driving tax stamps

Incarceration


Fine
Possession30 g or lessmisdemeanor1 year*$5,000More than 30 gmisdemeanor or felony6 months - 3 years$10,000*Possible conditional discharge on first offense.Sale or Cultivation30 g or less misdemeanor1 year$5,00030 g to 10 lbsfelony
6 months - 3 years​
$10,00010 lbs or morefelony
2 - 8 years​
$10,000Sale within 1,000 feet of school, or other specified areasfelony2 - 8 years$10,000Sale to minorfelony6 months - 3 years$10,000Miscellaneous (paraphernalia, license suspensions, drug tax stamps, etc...)Paraphernalia possession (first offense) civil finenone$10,000Paraphernalia possession or sale (subsequent offense)felony6 months - 3 years$10,000Present where knowledge of drug activity occursmisdemeanor6 months$1,000Possession, sale or distribution conviction causes driver's license suspension for 6 months to 2 years.Details
The possession of 30 grams or less of marijuana is a misdemeanor punishable by up to one year in jail and a fine of up to $5,000. For first offenders, the court may consider a conditional discharge. For possession of more than 30 grams, the penalties range from 6 months - 3 years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000.
The cultivation, delivery or sale of 30 grams or less is a misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year in jail and a fine of up to $5,000. Cultivation or delivery of more than 30 grams is a felony, punishable by six months - three years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000. For cultivation or delivery of any amount of ten pounds or more the penalties range from 2 - 8 years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000.
Any sale within 1,000 feet of a school, public park or a family housing complex, or any sale on a school bus is punishable by 2 - 8 years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000. Sale to a minor is punishable by 6 months - 3 years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000.
Possession of paraphernalia can be a misdemeanor if it is committed “recklessly”, and is punishable by imprisonment for a fixed term of not more than one year and a fine of not more than $5,000. There is no mention in the statute of what “recklessly” means. Possession of paraphernalia can be a felony if the person has a previous judgment or conviction under the statute, and is punishable by imprisonment for a fixed term of one and one-half years and a fine of not more than $10,000.

Knowingly visiting a place where drugs are used is a misdemeanor, punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $1,000.
A person convicted of dealing or possessing marijuana will have his operator’s license suspended, his existing motor vehicle registration suspended, and his ability to register motor vehicles to be suspended.

Conditional release: The state allows conditional release or alternative or diversion sentencing for people facing their first prosecutions. Usually, conditional release lets a person opt for probation rather than trial. After successfully completing probation, the individual's criminal record does not reflect the charge.
Drugged driving: This state has a zero tolerance per se drugged driving law enacted. In their strictest form, these laws forbid drivers from operating a motor vehicle if they have any detectable level of an illicit drug or drug metabolite (i.e., compounds produced from chemical changes of a drug in the body, but not necessarily psychoactive themselves) present in their bodily fluids. For more information, see NORML's Drugged Driving (DUID) report.
Marijuana tax stamps: This state has a marijuana tax stamp law enacted. This law mandates that those who possess marijuana are legally required to purchase and affix state-issued stamps onto his or her contraband. Failure to do so may result in a fine and/or criminal sanction. For more information, see NORML's report Marijuana Tax Stamp Laws And Penalties .
Also see Federal Laws
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fat sam

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the whole 100 plant thing comes from the fact that at 100 plants federal mandatory minimums kick in, i believe its ten years, i had this talk with my pot doc here in cali, he said to stay within local limits but if you decide to go over then only do 99 plants no matter what stage they are in
 
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