Anyone growing shrooms, have a look at this thread.

[Nuggetsinmypocket]

great experiment!! thanks alot. what do u mean by waffers. ive cut my cakes in half before and it seemed to help a little. looks like im gonna order some gulf coast and try out some rye. thanks for the info

 

[fatbuds420]

hey when do u harvest the shrooms

 

[Option]

Don't cut the cakes in half, it doesn't do shit.

The way to get the most out of cakes, is to grow them, and then dunk them.

Why is everyone doing cakes though? It's SO much easier casing.

And to the kid whom mentioned growing and selling these, in small quantities, it really isn't worth it.

You'll grow enough to eat some and cover a little bit of your costs, especially with crappy cakes.

If you're seriously looking at doing this to sell, look into bulk methods, but I wouldn't even recommend that... these aren't something easily grown for profits, mainly because yields are really low for the most part. Not to mention it's a 1-2month process.

Also, the one thing that will fuck you hard core if you're really trying to grow a lot, is that you can only pressure cook so many jars in a day (8qt PC will probably do 3-4 quart jars). You can maybe use that pressure cooker twice in a day, if you time it correctly. Because you have to let the thing cool down for 6 hours and it takes about 1-2 hours of pressure cooking, you've got a minimum of 14hrs of waiting for 6-8 jars.

Than you've gotta think of your losses due to contams (everyone gets them some time), costs to assemble, etc.

Just not really a good cash crop in my opinion.

 

[Miracle Smoke]

Don't cut the cakes in half, it doesn't do shit.

The way to get the most out of cakes, is to grow them, and then dunk them.

Why is everyone doing cakes though? It's SO much easier casing.

And to the kid whom mentioned growing and selling these, in small quantities, it really isn't worth it.

You'll grow enough to eat some and cover a little bit of your costs, especially with crappy cakes.

If you're seriously looking at doing this to sell, look into bulk methods, but I wouldn't even recommend that... these aren't something easily grown for profits, mainly because yields are really low for the most part. Not to mention it's a 1-2month process.

Also, the one thing that will fuck you hard core if you're really trying to grow a lot, is that you can only pressure cook so many jars in a day (8qt PC will probably do 3-4 quart jars). You can maybe use that pressure cooker twice in a day, if you time it correctly. Because you have to let the thing cool down for 6 hours and it takes about 1-2 hours of pressure cooking, you've got a minimum of 14hrs of waiting for 6-8 jars.

Than you've gotta think of your losses due to contams (everyone gets them some time), costs to assemble, etc.

Just not really a good cash crop in my opinion.

I wouldn't consider it a cash crop, but if you were to do
10 pint jars which could potentially yield 10 grams (dry)
per jar 1st flush, you have 100 grams do a second flush that same
week to add 12 grams to the 100 and you have a QP.

Sell 8ths for 25 and your making around $700 for 112 grams of
shrooms.

Now i could see if you talking about thousands of dollars.

 

[Option]

10g dry per 1/2pint cake?

Those are some significantly high figures to be pulling on cakes... I'd believe 7g dry per cake, and that's still a high yield for a 1/2 pint cake.


7g dry from 10 cakes, 70g, so you've got about 2.5oz's. Now you're going to want to trip, and probably trip with a friend...


I don't know, I just see greed in the OP or whomever it was that said they can't wait to sell them. You can definitely make more just working a job, unless you have a ton of space, equipment, and time to make bulk mushrooms.

But cakes, don't really expect to see that much money... you'll be hard pressed to get more than a gram or two per cake, especially your first time.

 

[Miracle Smoke]

10g dry per 1/2pint cake?

Those are some significantly high figures to be pulling on cakes... I'd believe 7g dry per cake, and that's still a high yield for a 1/2 pint cake.


7g dry from 10 cakes, 70g, so you've got about 2.5oz's. Now you're going to want to trip, and probably trip with a friend...


I don't know, I just see greed in the OP or whomever it was that said they can't wait to sell them. You can definitely make more just working a job, unless you have a ton of space, equipment, and time to make bulk mushrooms.

But cakes, don't really expect to see that much money... you'll be hard pressed to get more than a gram or two per cake, especially your first time.

No no no not half pints.

Whole pints.

10 grams (dry) is a good yield from a whole pint jar.

10 grams (dry) off HALF pints seem impossible though.

7 grams (dry) is doable though off half pints.

Yea greed is another factor, if someone charges 40 an eighth
then thats about $1400 a QP of shrooms, thats just cruel.

 

[Damion5050]

Take your 1 pint cakes then cumble them up and use them to inoculate some casings.. Casings grow alot more shrooms...

 

[mrXgreenthumbX]

im going to try hawaiian , and alacabenzi .
heard they were both good.
gunna do the rye seed. ( for substrate) then crumble it up and use for a casing.
heard it yeild s alot more that way

 

[Option]

No no no not half pints.

Whole pints.

10 grams (dry) is a good yield from a whole pint jar.

10 grams (dry) off HALF pints seem impossible though.

7 grams (dry) is doable though off half pints.

Yea greed is another factor, if someone charges 40 an eighth
then thats about $1400 a QP of shrooms, thats just cruel.

DEFINITELY CRUEL!

1 pint cakes, never done 1 pint cakes or even seen anyone do them, so I wouldn't doubt 10g dry.

Rye seed needs to be shaken up every two days or so, you won't need to crumble it up than, you can just shake it out of the jar into your casing layers.

 

[Doc34]

Hello,

Soak your grains for 24 hours
Simmer your grains for 20-30 minutes or until 5% of the kernels have exploded(WBS only)
Drain your grains for 30 minutes
Load grains into your jars(jars prepared with Tyvek filter and polyfill)
Sterilize your grains in a Pressure Cooker(PC) for 60 minutes at 15psi
Once your PC has stopped venting steam=pressure at zero-open it up and remove the jars giving them a vigorous shake to redistribute the grains in the jars.
Allow for the jars to cool completely(overnight)
Innoculate with your favorite strain
Once colonised, spawn them to a bulk substrate such as manure or straw or both
Let colonise
Case with Coir
Let colonise
Fruit
Harvest!

Please stay away from any and all Amanita mushrooms! That is one of the deadliest families of mushrooms out there-"Destroying Angel". You can't cultivate them because they are in symbiosis with certain trees(meaning that they have to have a host[tree]in order to fruit).

Hope I was helpfull.


I have plenty of spores-maybe we can work something out?

Doc

 

[Damion5050]

I was wondering what is a good bulk substrate recipe, something I can easily get my hands on in my area..

 

[Nuggetsinmypocket]

i just must be a stud then cuz i always get 10 to 14gs off all my half pint cakes and ive only been growing for about half a year. i donno maybe just some good luck... i no casing is better but i just started with cakes cuz they were so easy and ended up gettin such great results i almost dont wanna switch. anyone got a super easy way they do the casing method?

 

[Doc34]

How to do a Casing:

1.)Clean container with alcohol(71% Isopropyl)
2.)Shake grain jars to break up mycelia(makes it easier to get the grains out)
3.)Pour grains into container(get grains as level as possible)
4.)Cover grains with 1/4"inch of Coco-Coir(prepared by wetting to field capacity then PC'ing for 20 minutes at 15psi)for every 1"inch of substrate you use=example-->Your substrate depth is 4 1/2" inches deep, then add 1 1/16"inches of Coir. #"inches of substrate-add 3/4"inches of Coir.
5.)Get the coir as level as possible[do not compact it]
6.)Cover coir with plastic wrap(Saran or Glad Wrap)and cover entire container top with foil(poke a couple of small holes for gas exchange)
7.)Place container somewhere so it will stay at or around room temp(70*F-80*F)and keep in the dark
8.)After 3 days take a peek and see if you have white mycelia poking up through the casing layer and if you do, at this point you can patch those areas so your casing layer gets colonised all at the same time. Meaning that your mycelia appears to be coming up everywhere across the casing layer at the same time.
9.)Once you see over 75% of the mycelia has surfaced(almost surfaced, you want it to just be visible under the surface of the coir), remove the foil and plastic wrap and give it a good misting and fanning.
10.)Place into your fruiting chamber(which can be just a larger container with about 2"inches of perlite[wet] across the bottom)
Fan and mist daily!


Hope that was helpfull


Doc

 

[Miracle Smoke]

i just must be a stud then cuz i always get 10 to 14gs off all my half pint cakes and ive only been growing for about half a year. i donno maybe just some good luck... i no casing is better but i just started with cakes cuz they were so easy and ended up gettin such great results i almost dont wanna switch. anyone got a super easy way they do the casing method?

Shit throw me some tips will ya?

Im gonna be starting here soon, i just got my PC.

What do you use for substrate and etc?

 

[Nuggetsinmypocket]

thanks doc ill prob give it a try. miracle smoke i just use 2 cups verm 1 cup brown rice flour and one cup water for 5 jars. 2cc in each jar. i dont have a presure cooker so i just always use this method. go to you tube and search lets grow mushrooms and this old guy tells you everything i pretty much follow him step by step. if you have any other question just ask and ill try to help.

 

[Doc34]

Can I please say that I would really wish that no one would download those videos illegally-my friends RogerRabbit and RoadKill(members of the Shroomery) spent over 100k in supplies & studio time to make those videos and pirating them is wrong. So, please don't steal from them-you can purchase them for $49.95(USD) at Let's Grow Mushrooms! 2 DVD set and they are worth every penny of it-bought my copy when they first made them public. You can view them on youtube-that's ok, but don't download them illegally please?


Quote from RogerRabbit himself posted on another forum:
"I spent well over $100K in equipment and studio time to produce that video. It's copyrighted as well. It will take the rest of my life to make that money back a $49 per copy for the 4 hour DVD set, so please don't rip off my work. Please don't post links to illegal downloads. The sample clips on youtube are authorized.

Sorry I don't have the time to make it over here much anymore. In fact, I hardly ever log into shroomery either. Working full time on a new book on mushroom cultivation that will have an attached DVD. If the mods will please delete the link to the illegal download, I'd appreciate it. You can legally purchase the dvd at Let's Grow Mushrooms! 2 DVD set or check it out of your local library. If they don't have it, simply ask and they'll get it. The DVD will also be available on netflix this summer.
RR "

Just so you know-I really don't want anyone to think that I am an ass-but I know how hard they worked to make those videos.

Anyway

Hey Nuggets,try adding a couple of ml's/cc's of honey or "Light" Karo Corn syrup to your BRF mix-don't over do it and make it too wet though, just 1-2 cc's is sufficient.
Gives them a little more food.
You can also use those McDonalds straws and cut them into 2-3 inch pieces and insert one piece of straw directly into the center of each cake about 1/2'' deep-then you can add water to each cake by filling up the straw with distilled water(and maybe some honey-sterilized of course)-over a period of 24-72 hours you should see that the straws are about empty, fill them back up. By doing this you are adding water and not touching the cake(like you would if you dunk them), therfore reducing your chances of introducing contaminates onto your cakes. Your cakes will last longer until they are spent and no longer producing.

Just a little tip, you can use it if you want.



I posted these pics in another thread, so I hope i don't go across the boundries with me posting them here too. But, this is why I don't do cakes anymoreVVVVV

That casing produced 989.52 grams of fresh mushrooms(which weighed 98+grams cracker dry).
One quart of WBS(prepared using my tek"Doc's Wild Bird Seed Tek")spawned to 4 quarts of straw and cased with Coco-Coir(wetted to field capacity).

I hope you like the pics


Hey Miraclesmoke,
Since you have a PC now, click this link for "Doc's Wild Bird Seed Tek" ---->Shroomery - Doc's Wild Bird Seed Tek --->the best WBS grain Tek on the market=if you want fruits like in those pics with the least amount of preparation and work. I have been using my little tek for over 15 years now and I wouldn't change a thing!

Enjoy and have fun doing it!

Doc

Here is another casing that produced over 2 1/2 (cracker dry) ounces of mushrooms on its first flush.

This is how I do casings, which are placed inside of those bins with wet Perlite on the bottom for humidity.

Hope you enjoy the myco-porn!


Doc

 

[IslandGreenGuy]

I'm very glad I started this thread. I am learning a lot more then I thought I would. I orderd some more spores from 101.com (actually I ordered spore prints instead) and got myself a bigger pressure cooker. I definatly doing the casing method this time. I have order 4 different strains to try.

Beleive it or not, I have a question?
For the grain, Its not terribly important which one I use is it? I have a few different whole grains to try out. I am under the impression that most will work fine. I know people use birdseed, brown rice, rye or other types.

 

[Damion5050]

Hey Doc34.... What is your casing recipe I am getting ready to do some casing for the first time but I am not sure what a good recipe is, and sence you have 15 years experience who better to ask..

Can you find Tyvek Envelopes at like Office Max or some place like that??

I was looking at getting some of these but wanted to buy them local not online Sparco Tyvek Envelopes, Plain 10" x 15", 100/bx

 

[Damion5050]

Beleive it or not, I have a question?
For the grain, Its not terribly important which one I use is it? I have a few different whole grains to try out. I am under the impression that most will work fine. I know people use birdseed, brown rice, rye or other types.

It is not that important to use a certain grain alot of people perfer Rye Flour over BRF and Bird Seed because they say the yield is better, but I like using bird seed because it is cheap, and I use it to innoculate other substrates for bulk growing..

 

[Miracle Smoke]

Can I please say that I would really wish that no one would download those videos illegally-my friends RogerRabbit and RoadKill(members of the Shroomery) spent over 100k in supplies & studio time to make those videos and pirating them is wrong. So, please don't steal from them-you can purchase them for $49.95(USD) at Let's Grow Mushrooms! 2 DVD set and they are worth every penny of it-bought my copy when they first made them public. You can view them on youtube-that's ok, but don't download them illegally please?


Quote from RogerRabbit himself posted on another forum:
"I spent well over $100K in equipment and studio time to produce that video. It's copyrighted as well. It will take the rest of my life to make that money back a $49 per copy for the 4 hour DVD set, so please don't rip off my work. Please don't post links to illegal downloads. The sample clips on youtube are authorized.

Sorry I don't have the time to make it over here much anymore. In fact, I hardly ever log into shroomery either. Working full time on a new book on mushroom cultivation that will have an attached DVD. If the mods will please delete the link to the illegal download, I'd appreciate it. You can legally purchase the dvd at Let's Grow Mushrooms! 2 DVD set or check it out of your local library. If they don't have it, simply ask and they'll get it. The DVD will also be available on netflix this summer.
RR "

Just so you know-I really don't want anyone to think that I am an ass-but I know how hard they worked to make those videos.

Anyway

Hey Nuggets,try adding a couple of ml's/cc's of honey or "Light" Karo Corn syrup to your BRF mix-don't over do it and make it too wet though, just 1-2 cc's is sufficient.
Gives them a little more food.
You can also use those McDonalds straws and cut them into 2-3 inch pieces and insert one piece of straw directly into the center of each cake about 1/2'' deep-then you can add water to each cake by filling up the straw with distilled water(and maybe some honey-sterilized of course)-over a period of 24-72 hours you should see that the straws are about empty, fill them back up. By doing this you are adding water and not touching the cake(like you would if you dunk them), therfore reducing your chances of introducing contaminates onto your cakes. Your cakes will last longer until they are spent and no longer producing.

Just a little tip, you can use it if you want.



I posted these pics in another thread, so I hope i don't go across the boundries with me posting them here too. But, this is why I don't do cakes anymoreVVVVV

That casing produced 989.52 grams of fresh mushrooms(which weighed 98+grams cracker dry).
One quart of WBS(prepared using my tek"Doc's Wild Bird Seed Tek")spawned to 4 quarts of straw and cased with Coco-Coir(wetted to field capacity).

I hope you like the pics


Hey Miraclesmoke,
Since you have a PC now, click this link for "Doc's Wild Bird Seed Tek" ---->Shroomery - Doc's Wild Bird Seed Tek --->the best WBS grain Tek on the market=if you want fruits like in those pics with the least amount of preparation and work. I have been using my little tek for over 15 years now and I wouldn't change a thing!

Enjoy and have fun doing it!

Doc

Here is another casing that produced over 2 1/2 (cracker dry) ounces of mushrooms on its first flush.

This is how I do casings, which are placed inside of those bins with wet Perlite on the bottom for humidity.

Hope you enjoy the myco-porn!


Doc

Awesome, but how would you go about mixing the substrate with the straw?

In a bowl and then pouring it into a monotube or?

And casings are layers that cover the top correct?