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Anyone familiar with making solvent-free hash oil?

Discussion in 'Concentrates and Extracts' started by just a medicator, Jan 29, 2013.

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    just a medicator

    just a medicator Active Member

    Is anyone familiar with the process of making solvent-free hash oil(water is a solvent too)? It's not impossible, it can be done, just because you don't know how or haven't heard of it doesn't mean it's not possible. A local dispensary has it and it is phenomenal. They say the vendor who makes it doesn't want his secret getting out, so I've taken it upon myself to find out. Anyone have anything?

    HEY GUYS! Did some more research and asked the guy at the dispensary a bunch of questions and he answered what he could(yes or no answers). So I got the basic idea of how this works...The guy who makes it uses nitrogen, but not as a solvent, just to achieve a specific cold temperature, then they use some type of high frequency to make the trichome heads fall off of the bud. That's all I know so far...WHERE ARE MY CHEMICAL ENGINEERS AT?!
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    Figong

    Figong Well-Known Member

    There's web references dating back to October of 2010.. where they were cookin' down trichomes with a crock pot.. lol.. (No idea if this works at all) Personally, if you have the budget.. use ScCO2 - keep in mind that is a very expensive technique (compared to others) unless you're loaded.
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    smokajoe

    smokajoe Well-Known Member

    Interesting keep us updated!
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    oilmkr420

    oilmkr420 Active Member

    IMG_20130113_153418.jpg Cosub2 and subcritical water are the best solvents to use. Even if high pressure air was used, it would still require a co-solvent to dissolve the solids into oils. I really would consider this blown outa preportion. I mean come on most people on these threads think bho is the biz when its really only a cheap thrill. Its the closest thing to a co2 extraction but still so hella far away. It would never progress and gain the technological advances to ever really give co2 a run for its money. Co2 only cost more for the vessels. The solvent themselves are a lot cheaper. I spend $1.30 a lbs for solid co2 and about 0.75cents per lbs of liquid.
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    Fadedawg

    Fadedawg Well-Known Member

    I've seen a thread regarding vaporizing the oil using heat and then condensing it back to an oil using a chilled surface.
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    igothydrotoneverywhere

    igothydrotoneverywhere Well-Known Member

    start by keifing out your material, then grade it out, you have to seperate the full melt trichomes out, after that take all your full melt trichs and add some distilled water to your full melt trichs in a pyrex at 145 degrees, it takes a while but once they are warmed up the water can easily be poured off and the warmed trichs will coalesce with a fork or dabber

    BTW, THIS IS ALSO THE FUTURE OF WAX AND OIL.
    Bho and wax making through blowing butane is illegal in many states and will only become more extinct as the years go forward.

    I guarantee it will be outlawed totally here in colorado when they finish the new rules and release them later this year.
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    igothydrotoneverywhere

    igothydrotoneverywhere Well-Known Member

    futhermore i am sick and fucking tired of these self righteous deuchebags that have these "secrets" and "clones" they dont want to share with anyone. it is my mission in life to completely demystify this plant and all of the dumb lies and bullshit secrets out there, meanwhile punking all of these pothead martyrs that have had it soooo bad, lmfao. all my knowledge checks out with experience and its free, i am not trying to get rich or to make a name for myself, i am trying to make enough good medicine for sick fucking planet.
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    Fadedawg

    Fadedawg Well-Known Member

    Village idiots blowing themselves up, most assuredly will result in more widespread legislation proscribing butane extraction, though butane extraction using a Terpenator is no more unsafe than refrigeration systems using R-600 refrigerant.

    Your process looks interesting, but it doesn't look like it will produce the absolute oils needed for oral and topical application, which is the lions share of the oil that we supply to patients. My guess is that recirculating butane systems may eventually get some slack, but that SCFE CO2 will most likely become the standard.
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    igothydrotoneverywhere

    igothydrotoneverywhere Well-Known Member

    i agree, and thats what ive heard too, about the co2, but i think the outlawing of butane will have more to do with just blowing a bunch of hydrocarbons into the atmosphere. the EPA wont allow it.

    is the terpenator the same thing as a tamisium extractor?

    what exactly is an absolute oil?
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    oilmkr420

    oilmkr420 Active Member

    I do believe an absolute oil has either been extracted w absolute alcohol or an end process I know as winterization. It really helps the concrete extract lose more tane, it freshens up the extract too. So once diluted in absolute in 3:1-1:1 ratio the extract is then cold filtered after been stable @ -50C for 48hrs. You guys really want to pop shots, go to school and get an education. I make scfe easy. If you can't afford the $300 tutorial, then you really have no business getting involved w co2 extractions. So if you would just give away something that is of value that can change your life and the life of others, then that my friend is an idiot w no self preservation. I spent my own fuckin money researching this field and you cats act like if I owe you this info. Demand this info from Eden and watch them laugh their ass' off @ your requests. $300 is cheap and if its to much for you now, keep saving cuz the cost is going to increase in the near future.
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    Fadedawg

    Fadedawg Well-Known Member

    The Lil Terp is a passive extractor, the same as the Tamisium. A Terpenator is something a little different.

    The Terpenators use both heat and cold like the Tamisium and Lil Terp, but also uses a refrigerant recovery pump, so that it is significantly faster. A Lil Terp processes about two ounces in 1 hour and 45 minutes, while a Mk IIIA Terpenator can process about 600 grams an hour.

    An absolute oil is a non polar extraction which has had the non polar waxes removed by winterizing with a polar solvent like alcohol.
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    oilmkr420

    oilmkr420 Active Member

    What you guys are refering to is purifying a raw BDS to a purer state by vaporizing specific cannabinoids, one can selectively choose what or how much to add until the perfect select purified THC or whatever was chosen to be the medication. All begins w a clean select simple extract that easily cleans up to the next step where you guys are wanting to be, it has nothing to do w tricomes in water. Lol but that's a cute theory! Know how oxygen ear wax is made? Lol.
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    just a medicator

    just a medicator Active Member

    Nitrogen is used(not as a solvent) to achieve the low temperatures, then some type of equipment is used to transmit high frequency wavelengths towards the bud, resulting in the trichomes falling off. Don't know whats done next or what temperature or type of equipment or frequency or if they use sound or light(i was guessing sound tho, as certain light may deteriorate the THC and other cannabinoids). But from what I got out of the guy who works at the club. This solvent free extract retains more of the other cannabinoids, besides THC because it doesn't use heat like other processes that destroy other cannabinoids.
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    WAM Oil

    WAM Oil Member

    From what I've seen of his youtube videos and/or online postings, oilmkr420 does indeed show a small scale, inexpensive albeit non-laboratory grade facility. As the owner of a SFE system (built by Eden) here in Seattle I appreciate what oilmkr420 has shown everyone and it does work on a very small scale. However, for a large scale, quantifiable, batch tested, consistent end result equipment along the lines of what Eden (and others) produces is the industry standard. FYI, I'm new here, but I've uploaded great phase diagram for SFE. If it's not appearing, someone one let me know if they are interested in still viewing it.
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    Fadedawg

    Fadedawg Well-Known Member

    Looks like it didn't load. Is this it?

    Attached Files:

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    WAM Oil

    WAM Oil Member

    superCriticalExtract.jpg

    Here is the SFE phase diagram I mentioned.
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    Sneaky Beaver

    Sneaky Beaver Member

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    Guzias1

    Guzias1 Well-Known Member

    what in the hell is going on here.. are you saying the bho process is inferior to this crazy process?

    i want to move forward, in the right direction... can you explain why is this funky process better?
    is it healthier? cheaper? or just way fucken different and everyone who does it thinks they are cool :p jk
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    oilmkr420

    oilmkr420 Active Member

    Subcritical water. Under the harsh conditions of 250 bar, 374C or 705F is what concerned me. How to capture the hot gas was why I haven't explored the area. Now that the answer is known, learning another area of a total combined application w not any substandard substitutions accepted. The programmable logic controller will have things so accurately measured in a much better way than my previous manual mode has ever been. So more control over an entire process can be entered into a touch screen module. IMG_20121206_120635.jpg
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    oilmkr420

    oilmkr420 Active Member

    Its really a matter of abundance, no inherit taste factor, cheaper to process, less negative side effects, no toxic residues, etc. The list really does go on, but that's some inferior reasoning behind that crazy theory.

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