Anybody know what these are?

Showed the pic to a guy at the grow shop but he hasn’t seem them before. They survived Athena IPM. I got some pyganic it seems to get the numbers down. But I also did some defoliation of a lot of lower leaves when I started the pyganic.
Figure if I can get to know my enemy I can kill it. The stretch has started here in northern Cali . Don’t want to be spraying them for too much longer. Looking good so far other wise.

No clue.. can you get a couple better pics of them..?

farmerfischer said:

No clue.. can you get a couple better pics of them..?

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I’ll try tomorrow morning when I check em. I saw one tonight before I sprayed. They are super tiny. Little black and white things. The only thing I’ve seen on them

Citric acid

Thrips? Based on the leaf damage and their size may be, although the ones I've had are all black, haven't seen the white

Some type of aphid, hose them off and neem oil at dusk.

The white dots are weird. Pic kinda sucks but could be bean aphids

Bro use some green cleaner always dose the job homie

highdave said:

I’ll try tomorrow morning when I check em. I saw one tonight before I sprayed. They are super tiny. Little black and white things. The only thing I’ve seen on them

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Sprayed what?
Commercial veg type sprays kill predators
Not to mention safe for consumption
Once you kill predators the pest really come and it becomes a roller coaster
Edit I just looked up pyganic
Still it is the one thing I try to avoid is the initial spraying
Citrus is less likely to do more than keep them off the plant

And then I hit them wt this 150 ml a gallon bro best shit ever

I haven’t had any bug problems since I switch to using these Greenhouse and outdoor

Thank for the replies yall. Just gonna keep doing what I can to keep ‘em goin. Can’t get a clear picture close enough so that’s all I got
Pictures a little more than 2 weeks apart

Herb & Suds said:

Sprayed what?
Commercial veg type sprays kill predators
Not to mention safe for consumption
Once you kill predators the pest really come and it becomes a roller coaster
Edit I just looked up pyganic
Still it is the one thing I try to avoid is the initial spraying
Citrus is less likely to do more than keep them off the plant

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Ya I’d rather not be spraying shit on em either hah but they were starting to cause more damage than I’d like to see. I always start a little less than half strength with anything. Tried Athena IPM its citrus and peppermint some other shit and it didn’t do it. But they didn’t like it at full strength. So tried pyganic.