which booth are you running there then lol because I'm comin to that one.
Another Illegal Compassion Club posing as a Dispensary shut down
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Lucius Vorenus
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There was a Dispensary at the last Farmers Market GIVING AWAY grams. That was pretty crazy.
1337hacker
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holy shit, grams??? that cost them at least 1 or 2 dollars per patient!!! the humanity!!! what awesome dispensary was this?
Lucius Vorenus
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It's never really enough huh? LOL
For the record I didn't see a single Caregiver giving anything away.
Went to three outlets this weekend to search for some quality product.
Monarch dispensary- Two supposed top shelf strains $400, indoor but mediocre.
Bloom dispensary- Zero top shelf and I think Monarch buys stock from them after seeing menus.
GTA- went here because everyone says its the best, a bunch or remoistened GH strains but hidden amongst the dirt was one semi legit OG. Obviously imported but the best by far, prices are not cheap but are on par with monarch.
Gave these dispensaries/club the benefit of the doubt and I was disappointed to say that they were a serious let down, even in Scottsdale.
Both have their own grows running. Something tells me most Arizona patients have never smoked real chronic after seeing what's available, pricing and talking with bud tenders. That shit ain't medicine. Great business to be involved in when there is zero quality control.
Monarch dispensary- Two supposed top shelf strains $400, indoor but mediocre.
Bloom dispensary- Zero top shelf and I think Monarch buys stock from them after seeing menus.
GTA- went here because everyone says its the best, a bunch or remoistened GH strains but hidden amongst the dirt was one semi legit OG. Obviously imported but the best by far, prices are not cheap but are on par with monarch.
Gave these dispensaries/club the benefit of the doubt and I was disappointed to say that they were a serious let down, even in Scottsdale.
Both have their own grows running. Something tells me most Arizona patients have never smoked real chronic after seeing what's available, pricing and talking with bud tenders. That shit ain't medicine. Great business to be involved in when there is zero quality control.
tahoe shatter bro
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you know people say its the stoners faking back pains and headaches are the ones giving the mmj industry a bad name, when in reality its the current set of dispensary's running the way they are that's the fucking issue.
dirty business, pro 25 mile cock blocking haters of any legit competition. It blows my mind how many people think sub par = success
Dispensaries are at fault for not doing their due diligence and learning about cannabis. What's the point in raising the bar now when product is selling no matter the quality and the competition is not striving to do anything better. Winners have a serious sense of entitlement regardless of the experience with cannabis/ dispensary operation. Most are afraid to reach out to other states because they don't want their business/ego to be laughed at.
Patients are at fault for rolling with the punches/ not educating themselves about the product and in turn this allows dispensaries to get away with selling whatever they want at whatever price point. $400 for an ounce of shit, what will legit meds be priced at?
Growers are at fault because the Arizona market has allowed for wack production methods which have now been pushed on dispensaries for whatever reason/ lack of knowledge again. Anyone who says hydro trumps a true organic system has never had real organic bud, pure blend is not organic. I am versed in both methods and there is no comparison. The Mass medical program is making waves by requiring organic production that will be overseen by the Ag Dept. the reason being, this is hands down the healthiest, safest and cleanest way to produce whether farming fruit and veggies or growing canna. The Arizona rules require product labeling which is very seldom seen let alone enforced and AZDHS doesn't care either way. The new rush in established states is the conversion to USDA organic growing guidelines to lower costs and boost sustainability.
Arizona MMJ has been won by deep pockets and not the patients.
Patients are at fault for rolling with the punches/ not educating themselves about the product and in turn this allows dispensaries to get away with selling whatever they want at whatever price point. $400 for an ounce of shit, what will legit meds be priced at?
Growers are at fault because the Arizona market has allowed for wack production methods which have now been pushed on dispensaries for whatever reason/ lack of knowledge again. Anyone who says hydro trumps a true organic system has never had real organic bud, pure blend is not organic. I am versed in both methods and there is no comparison. The Mass medical program is making waves by requiring organic production that will be overseen by the Ag Dept. the reason being, this is hands down the healthiest, safest and cleanest way to produce whether farming fruit and veggies or growing canna. The Arizona rules require product labeling which is very seldom seen let alone enforced and AZDHS doesn't care either way. The new rush in established states is the conversion to USDA organic growing guidelines to lower costs and boost sustainability.
Arizona MMJ has been won by deep pockets and not the patients.
Popcorn900
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Got a link to your dispensary?
Remi1
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Unfortunately the word "dispensary" has become the new "DRO". People here it came from bla bla dispensary & it's automatically god's vagina. "the best shit ever". I just laugh. I would really like to see some of the growers & the dispensaries put there product up against each other, in an open competition kinda like the cannabis cups but on a Rollitup Arizona scale. Get your best Sativa, indica, hybrid & let's see who has descent shit here in town.
I'll be the first entrant..... anyone else?
P.S. I don't think mine is better than anyone else's but i'm willing to put $100??? to see who has the best. Winner take all.
I'll be the first entrant..... anyone else?
P.S. I don't think mine is better than anyone else's but i'm willing to put $100??? to see who has the best. Winner take all.
tahoe shatter bro
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lolz. 23456
Greentrip, you seem like the typical gardener who gets sold on the hydro store hype. Heres some commercial propaganda that might change your outlook, all the current winning bud at the canna cups around the globe are organic/ veganic, not pumped with products like AN anymore. Personally, the cups are all marketing but non the less. Natural practices are the future and they have been around since day one. If you farm cannabis, yes it's a fraction of the cost of buying bottles chemical fertilizers. You can make an indoor system that will sustain multiple years of growing when put together properly, for a fraction of bottles. As long as your growing the plant more power to you but I doubt you have ever had true organics, especially not in Arizona.
On the commercial side, I would only recommend hydro in conjunction with a fully automated system, because that's abut how much work a biodynamic garden consists of.
On the commercial side, I would only recommend hydro in conjunction with a fully automated system, because that's abut how much work a biodynamic garden consists of.
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- YES PROPAGANDA
Dude you think you can size someone up by a 1-2 line post. You know not what your talking about.
I dont use "hydro store nutes" first of all- I find they have expensive inferior products for very very small gardens and newbies.
secondly My hydro costs are way way fucking cheaper than organic in dollars and labor.
third organic plants uptake the exact same chemicals as hydro and you most likely have a limited knowledge of chemical requirements for taste,and quality in hydro as it is trickier.
Have you had any laboratory leaf tissue analysis done as I have? Do you have 20 or more years experience?
Most importantly even if I wanted to run organic (which also works good and I have done) as well. It costs more in time labor and dollars compared to my set up that's a fact!.
Most importantly though
We here in AZ dont want the government up are asses
tahoe shatter bro
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Organic is about as simple and as cheap as it gets. A plant does 1000x better in an environment where it feeds when it needs to feeds instead of having a high ppm soultion (organic or chemical) fed to it.
Once you amend your soil and let it cook for a few months, it can be used the entire season without much else but some top coating and water.(indoor and out)
Chemical nutes for taste? Are you for real? hahaha. Yes a plant does not know if its food is chem or organic. But chem nutes and additives and boosters are kinda like steroids and do more to bulk up the product than anything else. No doubt they can turn out super triched out fire....but organic soil will win hand down everytime for taste, terpens, smoothness etc. Its like shitty boosted up lettuce that you get thats all water weight.
So what did this leaf analysis include?
Leaf analysis... probably a brix test.
If organic costs more your doing it wrong/ have been taught by people like Rev, and we are talking over a substantial growing period, years. Large gardens not some 10-20 light caregiver setup either. Indoor and outdoor. I can see organic as being expensive if you trash your medium etc after one run but that is beginner shit. Cost effectiveness and sustainability are huge when presenting a plan to a business.
If hydro works for you then great, but compared to a naturally grown product it's inferior, just like fruits and veggies.
Proof is in the pudding, this point always gets argued until everyone is blue in the face.
20 years experience, what of just growing and pollen chucking, wow. Ever worked in a professional canna environment where you have quotas to meet?
The last 8 years have been spent working in licensed commercial facilities in Cali/Colorado, and more recently landed consulting gigs in Az. Not blowing up houses with lights, even though I was once there too. The transition from syn to non syn is gaining traction, it has provided me with a career that is picking up steam now more than ever. I still think Hydro has its place, in an intelligent table system. These smart setups do everything for the hydro grower and if a dispensary wanted to not pay for a legit grower or only wanted to focus on stocking shelves, this is what I would recommend. Computers and schedules automate everything even nute mixes. Reduces the need for a master grower.For the business who wants to set the bar and stand out from the pack with consistent, boutique quality meds, natural farming practices all the way. If the gov is trying to limit the amount of harmful residuals that are going into patients lungs, I'm for it. There is a reason behind this practice and it has nothing to do with putting the hydro gardener out on their ass, its about health in agriculture.
Just curious greentip, what nutes do you use? That normally paints a good picture.
If organic costs more your doing it wrong/ have been taught by people like Rev, and we are talking over a substantial growing period, years. Large gardens not some 10-20 light caregiver setup either. Indoor and outdoor. I can see organic as being expensive if you trash your medium etc after one run but that is beginner shit. Cost effectiveness and sustainability are huge when presenting a plan to a business.
If hydro works for you then great, but compared to a naturally grown product it's inferior, just like fruits and veggies.
Proof is in the pudding, this point always gets argued until everyone is blue in the face.
20 years experience, what of just growing and pollen chucking, wow. Ever worked in a professional canna environment where you have quotas to meet?
The last 8 years have been spent working in licensed commercial facilities in Cali/Colorado, and more recently landed consulting gigs in Az. Not blowing up houses with lights, even though I was once there too. The transition from syn to non syn is gaining traction, it has provided me with a career that is picking up steam now more than ever. I still think Hydro has its place, in an intelligent table system. These smart setups do everything for the hydro grower and if a dispensary wanted to not pay for a legit grower or only wanted to focus on stocking shelves, this is what I would recommend. Computers and schedules automate everything even nute mixes. Reduces the need for a master grower.For the business who wants to set the bar and stand out from the pack with consistent, boutique quality meds, natural farming practices all the way. If the gov is trying to limit the amount of harmful residuals that are going into patients lungs, I'm for it. There is a reason behind this practice and it has nothing to do with putting the hydro gardener out on their ass, its about health in agriculture.
Just curious greentip, what nutes do you use? That normally paints a good picture.
Organic is about as simple and as cheap as it gets. A plant does 1000x better in an environment where it feeds when it needs to feeds instead of having a high ppm soultion (organic or chemical) fed to it. Complete bullshit your knowledge and skills are to low for quality hydro.
Once you amend your soil and let it cook for a few months, it can be used the entire season without much else but some top coating and water.(indoor and out) so fucking what its more work and more money I know since i learned organics when I was just a kid (along fucking time ago)
Chemical nutes for taste? Are you for real? hahaha. Yes a plant does not know if its food is chem or organic.But chem nutes and additives and boostersare kinda like steroids and do more to bulk up the product than anything else. No doubt they can turn out super triched out fire....but organic soil will win hand down everytime for taste, terpens, smoothness etc. Its like shitty boosted up lettuce that you get thats all water weight. you are clueless about plant nutritionfucking way past cluless
Obviously you have a complete lack of understanding of growing
Dude I have run fully organic hundreds of times over 25 years your a joke
So what did this leaf analysis include?
see above bold type for my response to your drivel.
http://ghex.colostate.edu/pdf_files/beth_succop.pdf
Total Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Potassium, Calcium, Magnesium, Iron, Manganese, Copper, Boron, Zinc, Molybdenum, Aluminum, Sodium
I dont need to test for heavy metals etc since hydro with quality non hydro store fertilizer is so much cleaner than organic
Cleaner than fermented organic plant material, like the forest floor?
Not in a million years, that's the most natural process possible. No controversial bat guanos here either. You do know OSHA has regulations about chem nutes and waste processes, not too many people/businesses are aware of that. Even simple PH adjusters have specific regulations for waste. Chemical fertilizers are one of the main reasons the ground and ground water have been compromised in municipalities around farm lands, they don't run nutes as dirty as hydro stores either. Shouldn't be a surprise to why there are millions of grant dollars delineated every year for organic related farming practices, not too many available for the chem farmer because they are destroying the microbiology present in the earth. The natural process is soo clean that you can take a sip of organic brews and splash the IPM on my face, actually helps the skin. Dare you to drink some of those chem ferts and splash your IPM material on your face and report back. Now your putting that in your plant and smoking it.
Not in a million years, that's the most natural process possible. No controversial bat guanos here either. You do know OSHA has regulations about chem nutes and waste processes, not too many people/businesses are aware of that. Even simple PH adjusters have specific regulations for waste. Chemical fertilizers are one of the main reasons the ground and ground water have been compromised in municipalities around farm lands, they don't run nutes as dirty as hydro stores either. Shouldn't be a surprise to why there are millions of grant dollars delineated every year for organic related farming practices, not too many available for the chem farmer because they are destroying the microbiology present in the earth. The natural process is soo clean that you can take a sip of organic brews and splash the IPM on my face, actually helps the skin. Dare you to drink some of those chem ferts and splash your IPM material on your face and report back. Now your putting that in your plant and smoking it.
tahoe shatter bro
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you are right. i dont know shit bout plant nutrition....lolzx2
biodynamic soil and water....zero bottled nutes. Sonoma county 2010
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Greentrip, 25 years of experience or 20 years, Smoking chemicals that long may have gone to your head.
What your preaching is part of the reason why the meds in Arizona are subpar and will remain so.
The better quality, most cost effective product always wins out in business and commercial facilities are converting for those reasons. Competition drives the market in most medical states, despite what you may think. Connoisseur level patients travel they don't have to just purchase whats available.
What your preaching is part of the reason why the meds in Arizona are subpar and will remain so.
The better quality, most cost effective product always wins out in business and commercial facilities are converting for those reasons. Competition drives the market in most medical states, despite what you may think. Connoisseur level patients travel they don't have to just purchase whats available.
1337hacker
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When it comes down to fertilizers it only matters that they have all 16 elements in the right proportions. Since we are all container gardening here organic practices are already being thrown out the window. Phosphorous leaching is huge in container gardening, without the proper micro life it can really be underwhelming in output due to this. Even with the correct micro life you will not reach results as quickly as with hydro / coco and without supplementation risk phosphorous def. Organic soil requires amendment/ effort/ time between runs and unless you are producing your own compost and sourcing your own products can be harmful to our environment as well. There are strains of swine flu blamed on organic gardeners letting Em flow downstream in asia and plenty of companies not harvesting guano sustainably. Oftentimes a cleanly crafted chemical fertilizer ends up having less impact on our environment because of clean mining practices which are used to obtain it.
It's a good debate , I'd like to see you organics guys throw down some 2+ per light pictures to shut us all up... last run on coco with gavita de was 2.75 lb per light of wifi, and there is no lack of terpenes around here.
It's a good debate , I'd like to see you organics guys throw down some 2+ per light pictures to shut us all up... last run on coco with gavita de was 2.75 lb per light of wifi, and there is no lack of terpenes around here.