And the noose continues to tighten..

Fogdog

Fogdog

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I live in the Willamette Valley as it seems you do. Yep, different from most parts of the US but then not so different. I'm guessing I live north of you by a little bit. We have our freaks. Though we mostly have people who are just working through their lives and its different for everybody. But this valley is just stunningly gorgeous. I've lived mostly on the west coast. CA, Idaho and here. All good all different but this valley is pretty nice. So nice. We maybe have more freaks than you'd see in Nampa Idaho but I see plenty of rednecks here who would fit in just fine in Nampa.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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fdd2blk said:
I've come to terms with reality and my time on this planet. I am happy.

It is you who spends all day, every day running around in fear and desperation.

Worry about yourself before you worry about others.
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I prescribe
smoke two joints in the morning
smoke two joints at night
smoke two joints before you smoke two joints
and smoke two joints more
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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I suggested your wife get a better job at least 3 times if not more in this thread and was met with dead silence... I think that means you dont believe your wife is capable of getting a better job. So, instead of trying you are just demanding more money for the same work...

Are you jumping on the bandwagon of deciding who can and cannot post here based on their opinions? Cause that is Padwan's gig!!
 
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bundee1

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She is getting a job that pays her 3x as much, but thanks to a fellow expat New Yorker. Again someone with outside perspective who can see through all the ignorance and bullshit. Perspective something you are in dire need of.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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bundee1 said:
She is getting a job that pays her 3x as much, but thanks to a fellow expat New Yorker. Again someone with outside perspective who can see through all the ignorance and bullshit. Perspective something you are in dire need of.
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Why are you complaining then??

You cry when there are problems and you cry when there were problems. FFS...
 
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bundee1

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Again nlsxk1 is money all you give a shit about? In the other thread child labor according to you is OK and you keep voting Republican even though all their policies are formed to strengthen police and arrest marijuana growers. Why are you here?
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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bundee1 said:
Again nlsxk1 is money all you give a shit about? In the other thread child labor according to you is OK and you keep voting Republican even though all their policies are formed to strengthen police and arrest marijuana growers. Why are you here?
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I give a shit about jobs and prosperity.

Obama is artificially increasing the cost of labor without any associated increase in business. He is trying to redistribute more money. It wont work and will just cause more hardship for workers.

You dont see the reality of the situation. Unless you increase jobs and grow the economy, all these measures do is cause more economic hardship.

You are the arrogant bastard that doesnt realize that redistribution of wealth does not create prosperity. It creates dependence and poverty.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Padawanbater2 said:
You just said that redistribution of wealth doesn't create prosperity, yet you still support it, but only for the rich
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Your definition of re-distribution is not logical.

Let me attempt to explain the difference.

A worker and an employer agree on an employment contract. That worker uses his labor to produce goods or services for the employer. In most cases the goods and/or services are more than the value of the compensation. At the end the employer has something of value and the employee has compensation for the effort. Between the two, value has been created.

That is not re-distribution of anything, both people have gained something of value.


Now, a rich person is taxed a higher rate because they are rich. They now have less value. The money that is taken is distributed (minus handling costs) to other people. At the end no value has been created and the people receiving the money do not receive as much as the rich were debited because of government.



So, business creates wealth, re-distribution does not.
 
Padawanbater2

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NLXSK1 said:
Your definition of re-distribution is not logical.

Let me attempt to explain the difference.

A worker and an employer agree on an employment contract. That worker uses his labor to produce goods or services for the employer. In most cases the goods and/or services are more than the value of the compensation. At the end the employer has something of value and the employee has compensation for the effort. Between the two, value has been created.

That is not re-distribution of anything, both people have gained something of value.


Now, a rich person is taxed a higher rate because they are rich. They now have less value. The money that is taken is distributed (minus handling costs) to other people. At the end no value has been created and the people receiving the money do not receive as much as the rich were debited because of government.



So, business creates wealth, re-distribution does not.
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Wrong. If "In most cases the goods and/or services are more than the value of the compensation", capitalism wouldn't work. Employers must compensate labor at less than the value of the product they produce or service they provide. Why would anyone own/operate a business if they simply broke even? They wouldn't. This means by definition, in order for capitalism to work effectively, I have to sell what you make me for more than I paid you to make it. If I pay you more to make the product than I charge people to buy it, my business goes under.


If the upper-class faces such extreme amounts of redistribution, why has the wealth continued to concentrate in their hands while the poor and middle-class have gotten poorer since 1968?
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Padawanbater2 said:
Wrong. If "In most cases the goods and/or services are more than the value of the compensation", capitalism wouldn't work. Employers must compensate labor at less than the value of the product they produce or service they provide. Why would anyone own/operate a business if they simply broke even? They wouldn't. This means by definition, in order for capitalism to work effectively, I have to sell what you make me for more than I paid you to make it. If I pay you more to make the product than I charge people to buy it, my business goes under.


If the upper-class faces such extreme amounts of redistribution, why has the wealth continued to concentrate in their hands while the poor and middle-class have gotten poorer since 1968?
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You agreed with me in the first paragraph. The employees compensation is less than the employers benefit. BOTH people gain something.

Because government has forced inflation and spending and discouraged saving and it is borrowed 20 trillion dollars which has devalued the dollar and made everything more expensive. Profits got eaten up by increased costs of materials, taxes and regulation.

People are not divided into classes. When you are a teenager you are almost certainly poor. Many people get good jobs and move through middle class to upper class as they age. Life is not as static as you portray it.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Padawanbater2 said:
Demand creates wealth, not supply
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LOL!!! Neither demand nor supply creates wealth. Demand and supply control the price of materials and property.

The combination of labor and materials into something ultimately more valuable creates wealth.

Taking 50,000 dollars in land and materials and 50,000 dollars in labor to create a house worth 150,000 is how you create wealth.
 
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