And now it begins - Obamacare a very slow payer.

Winter Woman said:

Only until the electrician comes the pool pump stopped working yesterday. But not to worry I'll be around off and on today.

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Check if the pump is clogged up with fat

Winter Woman said:

I think her social worker should really know about that.

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her social worker's probably in on it.

ChesusRice said:

Check if the pump is clogged up with fat

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Is that your experience?

beenthere said:

Canndo, no matter how many times you repeat it, the fact remains the same.
The only reason the government shuts down is because of a divided House and Senate or when Congress is at odds with the president.
To say otherwise, is either ignorance or pure dishonesty.

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you just hang on to that gable. "give us the keys or we will steal the car" is exactly how the repibs played it
seem my memory is a bit longer than yours. The repubs wanted established law recinded or repealed, otherwise they would take their bat and ball and go
home.

you know I am neither ignorant nor dishonest.

canndo said:

you just hang on to that gable. "give us the keys or we will steal the car" is exactly how the repibs played it
seem my memory is a bit longer than yours. The repubs wanted established law recinded or repealed, otherwise they would take their bat and ball and go
home.

you know I am neither ignorant nor dishonest.

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I didn't think you were the Bucky, Cheezy type.
You fooled me.

beenthere said:

Well, lets hear your argument that one side can shut down government if both sides work together and make concessions.
Do you have the intelligence to give it a shot?

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you know as well as i do, the right tried everything including voter suppression since they couldn't throw the race..they just said they won't work with obama for the past 3 1/2 years..so now he's taking the initiative to get done what he can with OR without them..

beenthere said:

Well, lets hear your argument that one side can shut down government if both sides work together and make concessions.
Do you have the intelligence to give it a shot?

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schuylaar said:

you know as well as i do, the right tried everything including voter suppression since they couldn't throw the race..they just said they won't work with obama for the past 3 1/2 years..so now he's taking the initiative to get done what he can with OR without them..

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Again, give me an argument how our government can shut down if both sides work together and make concessions.
All you did was choose sides and framed your argument to support it, that's typical partisan politics.
Cmon, lets see you make an honest argument with politics aside.

Wilksey said:

Oh it begins alright.

Thousands of citizens will realize exactly what they're getting, and they'll start to get pissed.
Crooks and scum from all walks are starting to look for and exploit loopholes to game the system.
Contractors and lobbyists are planning on who to bribe for contracts, and politicians are starting to look forward to kick-back payments.
And on the news we'll start to see "Obamacare saves the poor, babies, women, and the elderly" stories...

The beginning indeed.

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No....you are simply describing the System of America, the Big Casino. They got over 2 million signed up, the President has grabbed the power to modulate the roll out. No one can stop him. And why describe the new system in terms of the old system. All that was already there.

Do you think heath care was perfect here? I don't. I have "conditions." I have a brother with serious heart problems who now can get reasonable coverage for his selfie, Construction work.

Knowing stuff is a responsibility in self rule. But, we shirk that, if we only watch the partisan news and choose, a lied to, side. All sides are lied to.

So, I decline to take sides.

beenthere said:

Again, give me an argument how our government can shut down if both sides work together and make concessions.
All you did was choose sides and framed your argument to support it, that's typical partisan politics.
Cmon, lets see you make an honest argument with politics aside.

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What concessions beenthere? repeal obamacare? a LAW that was sanctioned by the supreme court? Here is an example. The left wants the 2nd amendment ignored or repealed immediately, if the president and his side of the house and senate don't go through the motions, the left will shut down the government. Now tell me where there can be some "compromise". That, in essence is what happened.

Well, nothing wrong with the govt being shut down. That's the point. We are always rangling about how to cut back on spending. We even got an ill-managed sequester out of the deal, cut the wrong things. But, it did cut spending, until they all freaked that they couldn't spend money. So that is over. New Laws.

It is very simple. Cut back on laws that cause so much spending. But, do laws ever get repealed? Not usually.

Law is like a stack of Jinga Blocks. You never know which one will tump your pile. So they all sit there for lawyers to sort it out.

Doer said:

Well, nothing wrong with the govt being shut down. That's the point. We are always ranging about how to cut back on spending. We even got an ill-managed sequester out of the deal, cut the wrong things. But, it did cut spending, until they all freaked that they couldn't spend money. So that is over. New Laws.

It is very simple. Cut back on laws that cause so much spending. But, do laws ever get repealed? Not usually.

Law is like a stack of Jinga Blocks. You never know which one will tump your pile. So they all sit there for lawyers to sort it out.

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the government has employees..what about them?

canndo said:

What concessions beenthere? repeal obamacare? a LAW that was sanctioned by the supreme court? Here is an example. The left wants the 2nd amendment ignored or repealed immediately, if the president and his side of the house and senate don't go through the motions, the left will shut down the government. Now tell me where there can be some "compromise". That, in essence is what happened.

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I was with you until the 2nd amendment part..That was written a very long time ago, so it is not a good comparison to Obama care..The right has a hard time voting for something that can bankrupt a country..The Dems don't seem to care that is why they vote and than read later..

nitro harley said:

I was with you until the 2nd amendment part..That was written a very long time ago, so it is not a good comparison to Obama care..The right has a hard time voting for something that can bankrupt a country..The Dems don't seem to care that is why they vote and than read later..

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And Obama Care is hardly a Constitutional Amendment. We cannot go bankrupt. For now, in this moment in history, we are the bank.

canndo said:

What concessions beenthere? repeal obamacare? a LAW that was sanctioned by the supreme court? Here is an example. The left wants the 2nd amendment ignored or repealed immediately, if the president and his side of the house and senate don't go through the motions, the left will shut down the government. Now tell me where there can be some "compromise". That, in essence is what happened.

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The pubs wanted to not fund O'care, the dems did. A compromise would have been delaying the personal mandate which should be voted on. Instead, we shut down the gov, gave the delay anyway by executive order, and say it's all pubs fault.

I'd have to say it's a fault of a dysfunctional leadership on both sides, but then, that's kinda boring.

schuylaar said:

the government has employees..what about them?

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You mean like defense contractors? I'm sure you are good with those people not working. How bout 1 for 1 on 20 overlapping human service departments?

Shy, you and I can massively cut government spending if they let us run things and we make this compromise. Can the left stomache the cuts to social programs and can the right take cuts to defense spending.... We'll just piss everyone off and cut both.

beenthere said:

I can't wait to hear your excuse for the Nordstrom charge card, I'm sure it has something to do with your mid life crisis and soothing your socioeconomic anxiety.

To me, a cheat is a cheat.

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my wife got a nordstrom card when she bought a $12 blouse (75% discount) from nordstrom rack.

you make a lot of assumptions that end up making an ass out of you.

beenthere said:

Well, lets hear your argument that one side can shut down government if both sides work together and make concessions.
Do you have the intelligence to give it a shot?

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my dog will lick your wife's vagina for an hour or i'm gonna shut down government.

we can negotiate it down to a half hour if you're willing to make concessions, but i bet your wife would enjoy the full hour better.

beenthere said:

Again, give me an argument how our government can shut down if both sides work together and make concessions.

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my dog gets to lick your wife's vagina for 2 hours now, or i'm shutting the whole thing down.

you may not find your wife exciting, but your wife will undoubtedly find my dog's tongue exciting.

i wouldn't negotiate if i were you.

UncleBuck said:

my dog will lick your wife's vagina for an hour or i'm gonna shut down government.

we can negotiate it down to a half hour if you're willing to make concessions, but i bet your wife would enjoy the full hour better.

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There was an 11th hour attempt to avoid the shutdown. The deal was to delay the individual mandate for a year and was turned down by dems. Didn't an executive order happen that could have avoided the shut down had it been done earlier? Seems like politics to me. The dems knew that the simpletons would blame the pubs and hurt them in the perception department. Just because dems are better at the politics doesn't mean they weren't to blame.

The blustering and lead up to the shut down was mostly from the right, the shut down itself happened because the dems thought it politically prudent. Either you are too dense to realize it, or you just love this kind of politics and willfully perpetuate it.

ginwilly said:

How bout 1 for 1 on 20 overlapping human service departments?

Shy, you and I can massively cut government spending if they let us run things and we make this compromise. Can the left stomache the cuts to social programs

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You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."

lee atwater, ginwilly's hero and mentor