AN overdrive

941mick said:

Right on.

The logical follow up to that is this: Do you feel that the microbes that are (perhaps) present in your medium are either a) alive, b) not dormant, or c) effectively able to process this carbo load after the onslaught of salts that you have been dumping on them for x weeks?

IOW, you're buying a product intended for a microbial population that has been decimated by your use of petro-chemical products. Waste of money

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Have you not seen my journal. I inoculate weekly. I fully understand the effects of synthetics on microbes, and do my best to limit edta and nitrates.[/QUOTE]


I haven't browsed your journal.

I have to admit that I'm a little curious as to why you choose to inoculate your soil whilst using petro-chemical fertilizers? Seems like a waste of time, no? What chemicals are your bottles bringing to the equation that organic inputs could not supply?

st0wandgrow said:

Well it force feeds my plants sugar so I get bigger yields and and my buds taste better

Don't assume to think I don't know what these products do because I use water bottles. It feeds the microbe life and that's it. There are smaller chains of carbs in there that microbes can break down easier compared to the long chains found in molasses.

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Right on.

The logical follow up to that is this: Do you feel that the microbes that are (perhaps) present in your medium are either a) alive, b) not dormant, or c) effectively able to process this carbo load after the onslaught of salts that you have been dumping on them for x weeks?

IOW, you're buying a product intended for a microbial population that has been decimated by your use of petro-chemical products. Waste of money[/QUOTE]
this is the conversations that I've been wanting to hear about. is there really life in your medium if one uses synthetic nutrients?

a mongo frog said:

Right on.

The logical follow up to that is this: Do you feel that the microbes that are (perhaps) present in your medium are either a) alive, b) not dormant, or c) effectively able to process this carbo load after the onslaught of salts that you have been dumping on them for x weeks?

IOW, you're buying a product intended for a microbial population that has been decimated by your use of petro-chemical products. Waste of money

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this is the conversations that I've been wanting to hear about. is there really life in your medium if one uses synthetic nutrients?[/QUOTE]


From what I've read yes. Most organic "experts" will maintain that they go dormant, or die, but there is *some* activity even after prolonged use of salts. There are a couple problems though. How effective will they be at cycling nutrients, and does the plant continue to excrete exudes to attract them to the rhizosphere considering that it's nutrient requirements are already being met via synthetics.

[/QUOTE]From what I've read yes. Most organic "experts" will maintain that they go dormant, or die, but there is *some* activity even after prolonged use of salts. There are a couple problems though. How effective will they be at cycling nutrients, and does the plant excrete exudes to attract them to the rhizosphere considering that it's nutrient requirements are already being met via synthetics.[/QUOTE]

It is my laymens understanding of scientific journals that most synthetics don't actually kill microbe life as much as inhibit the growth of life as the plants root system grows, which is what should happen in nature from what I understand. EDTA and nitrates are by far the worst culprits when it comes to synthetics and microbe efficiency.

My mind was blown once I started to incorporate "bottled" inoculates and further blown when I added ancient forrest and EWC and started making tea out of all of it. I have seen a dramatic increase in yield, plant health (no deficiencies or overdoses, and leaf angles over 45 degrees almost all the time), roots size, and water absorption. For me microbe incorporation was something of a missing link.

Liam420 said:

if got 6 nice clones here 3 white widow x big bug and 3 dutch treats

gunna veg them for 2 more weeks before flowering

anything i should add to my an line up ?

3 parts
big bud
bud blood
carbo load
over drive
final flush

or will this be fine?
im always up for adding something thats gunna make everything better in the end?

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you will be more than fine. When I first started all I used were base nutrients, and got acceptable results.

941mick said:

you will be more than fine. When I first started all I used were base nutrients, and got acceptable results.

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ill stick with what i got then

then gunna upgrade to a bigger then and get another 600 hps soon,

this has been excellent learning experience, and now that iv had really nice results

time to upgrade!

st0wandgrow said:

this is the conversations that I've been wanting to hear about. is there really life in your medium if one uses synthetic nutrients?

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From what I've read yes. Most organic "experts" will maintain that they go dormant, or die, but there is *some* activity even after prolonged use of salts. There are a couple problems though. How effective will they be at cycling nutrients, and does the plant continue to excrete exudes to attract them to the rhizosphere considering that it's nutrient requirements are already being met via synthetics.[/QUOTE]

Is this one of your organic experts? What your saying reminded me of this video. Not bashing the rev, I just haven't gone the true organic route yet.

941mick said:

From what I've read yes. Most organic "experts" will maintain that they go dormant, or die, but there is *some* activity even after prolonged use of salts. There are a couple problems though. How effective will they be at cycling nutrients, and does the plant continue to excrete exudes to attract them to the rhizosphere considering that it's nutrient requirements are already being met via synthetics.

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Is this one of your organic experts? What your saying reminded me of this video. Not bashing the rev, I just haven't gone the true organic route yet.

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No. I have not read any of the revs stuff, nor watched his videos.

st0wandgrow said:

Is this one of your organic experts? What your saying reminded me of this video. Not bashing the rev, I just haven't gone the true organic route yet.

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No. I have not read any of the revs stuff, nor watched his videos.[/QUOTE]

Ahh. I think he has some pretty good information to offer. He is the editor for Skunk Magazine

941mick said:

No. I have not read any of the revs stuff, nor watched his videos.

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Ahh. I think he has some pretty good information to offer. He is the editor for Skunk Magazine[/QUOTE]

I'm sure he knows his stuff. I've stumbled upon a few rev threads discussing spiking and layering. Seemed gimmicky to me so I didn't read on

st0wandgrow said:

Ahh. I think he has some pretty good information to offer. He is the editor for Skunk Magazine

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I'm sure he knows his stuff. I've stumbled upon a few rev threads discussing spiking and layering. Seemed gimmicky to me so I didn't read on[/QUOTE]

Very gimicky. Too much of a salesperson IMO.

I'm not down for the sales technique of bashing what people are doing to show what i do is better, never seems to get far.

941mick said:

I'm not down for the sales technique of bashing what people are doing to show what i do is better, never seems to get far.

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I agree with you there. Shit all over someone and then expect them to listen to your advice??

I was banned from an organic forum not long ago because of this. I can't stand the pretentious attitude.

There are 2 types of nitrifying bacteria, the kind that convert ammonia to nitrite, and the kind that convert nitrite to nitrate.

This means that a high nitrate and low ammonia environment will leave the bacterias are basking in their waste, and hungry. On the other hand, their job is complete. Nitrate levels are sufficient, so they die off. When the nitrates are used, and ammonia levels rise, the bacteria come back.

This is how nitrifying bacteria regulate the nitrate level in the soil. There's really no point to feeding nitrate salts to soil other than a quick boost of nitrogen. Urea/ammonia based sources are good for soil for that reason. People who use nitrate salts in their soil should just switch to a hydroponic medium all together.

Hiw about butt blood is it good?

charface said:

Hiw about butt blood is it good?

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as good as open sesame in my experience. That and Bud Ignitor are two of the biggest rip offs on the market.

How bout butt factor x?

Butt candy?

I was too high to notice the butt lmao

Just killin time.
Im like chucks opening act.