Who's family? The victims of the cartels?
It isn't all cases. But there is a better remedy most of the time for corporate malfeasance than for criminal acts committed by a single person.
Someone going to prison does nothing for their victims.
America the Oligarchy?
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It isn't all cases. But there is a better remedy most of the time for corporate malfeasance than for criminal acts committed by a single person.
Someone going to prison does nothing for their victims.
ttystikk
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...Except deter them, or the next bunch from following in their footsteps, knowing there is a consequence.
You're suggesting that paying fines for murder is the new justice.
I'll take the old kind, because this new variety doesn't seem to be working too well.
killemsoftly
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They are like children. Our gov'ts are scolding them whilst winking. Crime is crime. If i can't grow 20 hectares without being locked up how come they can launder billions?
we are allowing corporations to use the 'nuremberg defense'. yes most follow orders. someone, however, decided. Those people are passing the buck. Witness rupert's testimony to the British MP's: 'i hire people and i'm not responsible'. hogwash. we need to tar and feather these fucktards because they are impugning the very system that allowed them to become rich and powerful. Balance must be restored.
If I did something, theoretically, that caused your death, I would only be charged with the manslaughter to murder 1 type crimes if I made an act of volition, with intent to harm you, that a reasonable person would know could result in your harm.
There is a VERY high level of culpability.
In a corporation, there are rarely if ever an equivalent scenario.
Suppose it's Ford who killed people because a car they made was randomly exploding, and they found out about it and did nothing.
The equivalent would be the board at Ford deciding to build a car that blew up and killed people.
Knowing after the fact that it might explode, and not acting isn't enough. No one person, or group of persons are entirely responsible.
In real life, Ford decided to pay the families of the deceased because it was cheaper than replacing all the parts.
No one at Ford is acting in a way that harming you is the goal.
It simply isn't the same thing.
It sounds good, and it makes some people feel good, but it's apples and oranges.
But where the elements do exist, people are arrested.
Canna Sylvan
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You're being played. The government and corporations are one in the same. We the people is the government, and the Supreme Court just recently upheld corporations are "people."
As long as you keep believing government is anything but a necessary evil, and instead your friend, you're a slave.
ttystikk
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Now you're conflating product liability with intentional criminal activity, are you a corporate lawyer?
ttystikk
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Corporate personhood is the most pernicious thing dreamt up by the fascists since corporate campaign finance.
Canna Sylvan
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That's the whole point. What's even sadder, is there's a smear campaign in favor of keeping corporate personhood, because of the consequence it gives government more power to censor the press, since they're no longer a "person." It's all total garbage towards a totalitarian government, Agenda 21, etc.
Canna Sylvan
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Hahahahahaahahahaahhah!
So easy to whine. So much harder to face reality.
Canna Sylvan
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You mean how for 102 years corporations weren't "people?" Yet the press still had freedom of speech? Reality is a bitch.
I did get half way through law school, but I'm no lawyer.
My point, I guess is this; the types of harm are different between corporations and people, the way they effect people is different, and the legal remedies for the wrongs are different.
In my opinion, if someone did something to me, I would rather have a pile of cash than seeing someone behind bars. In many ways the victims of corporations that run a foul are made better by the remedies avaliable.
O J Simpson is a rare criminal where he had money left after his trial to compensate the families of his two victims. And as we saw there, if you got enough money, and you're black and a cop says the n word 10 years earlier, you don't go to jail anyway.
That has nothing to do with what I said.
ttystikk
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Halfway, huh? Well, I think you'd best start over.
At least you have the heartless attitude for it. You'll do well.
ttystikk
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Really? Connect the dots for me; I'm having a little trouble with your logic.
Canna Sylvan
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You're the one who said corporate personhood is the reason you can make posts here, not me.
MidwesternGro
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Go live in Somalia if you think having no government is some great thing. You libertarians are ridiculous. Life is not some corny Ayn Rand book, this is not Galt's Gulch.
Padawanbater2
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So if someone beat your dad up in front of you, you would rather him have a pile of cash than have that person go to jail for assault?
abandonconflict
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Lol...
Democrats whining about oligarchy.
Democrats whining about oligarchy.