am i doing okay?

needhelp · Mar 11, 2009

as long as its seltzer water with NO SODIUM... you're ok... some people on here is against it...

but another thing you can do... is feed the plant seltzer water... the bubbles breaks the dirt around the roots giving it more oxygen... and its not true that plant roots don't like CO2.. they just get it through their leaves, but a plant doesn't mind .... people will argue... but i read a scientific study on plants that were given seltzer water and rain water... the one with the seltzer did better... u don't have to do it.. just letting you know that at times, you'll get info from people that isn't true.. you have to go look for the truth

hendry · Mar 11, 2009

Ive seen that light setup before i think its awesome and very cost effective. Ive made a home made setup myself with HPS. I got 3 50 watt security lights from home depot and screwed them to a board for my 2x2 closet grow it works great. I bought the lights 1 at time as needed so it wouldnt be so expensive. Also i have a question does y splitter work for 2 42 watt cfls on 1 clamp lamp without burning it out the clamp lamp is a 150 watt max which is equivilent to 1 42 watter?

needhelp · Mar 11, 2009

hendry said:
Ive seen that light setup before i think its awesome and very cost effective. Ive made a home made setup myself with HPS. I got 3 50 watt security lights from home depot and screwed them to a board for my 2x2 closet grow it works great. I bought the lights 1 at time as needed so it wouldnt be so expensive. Also i have a question does y splitter work for 2 42 watt cfls on 1 clamp lamp without burning it out the clamp lamp is a 150 watt max which is equivilent to 1 42 watter?

the lower wattage is what you base it off of, not the larger number... so 2 42's is really 84... you can still add another 42

Ape Johnson · Mar 11, 2009

needhelp said:
the lower wattage is what you base it off of, not the larger number... so 2 42's is really 84... you can still add another 42

Which CFL's are the right ones to buy, cause none of them say plant lights on them. Think i'm kind of confused on that subject.

needhelp · Mar 11, 2009

they do have bulbs out there called "plant lights" but you don't need that

you need daylights(5000K-6500K) and soft whites(2700K)...

they usually don't consider 5000K daylight, but recently thats what its starting to be... i read an article on it...

hendry · Mar 11, 2009

You want the ones that say day white for vegging and soft white for flowering. Or you can get an in betweener for the whole grow which say brightwhite.
I would suggest 27 watt daywhite and then 42 watt softwhite for flowering. The ones i use are from home depot the brand is n:vision.

needhelp · Mar 11, 2009

hendry said:
You want the ones that say day white for vegging and soft white for flowering. Or you can get an in betweener for the whole grow which say brightwhite.

don't confuse the boy...

get both for vegging and flowering... the sun isn't in 1 spectrum of light... so by mixing up the bulbs, you're trying to imitate the sun...

when vegging... for every 2 daylights, you use 1 softwhite
when flowering... for every 2 soft whites, you use 1 daylight

Ape Johnson · Mar 12, 2009

Ok so using that thinking I will get 4x 42W CFL's soft white, and 2x 27W CFL's daylight for flowering. I want that to be able to carry 4 plants.

needhelp · Mar 12, 2009

Ape Johnson said:
Ok so using that thinking I will get 4x 42W CFL's soft white, and 2x 27W CFL's daylight for flowering. I want that to be able to carry 4 plants.

exactly...

whatever amount of 2700k you are using for flowering, you want half of that for 6500k..

so thinking like that...

4x42= 168w (soft white)

so you would want about half of that to be daylight... so you would want about 84w of daylight..

for you're daylight its 2x27= 54w (daylight)... you still have 30 more Watts of daylight you can add if you want... they do have 30w bulbs too

LUDACRIS · Mar 12, 2009

flowering starts when the first flowers start to appear not when you switch to 12/12.
so going 12/12 after 7-10 days and you will see some flower formation and thats when you count flowering times from and not when the light cycle starts 12/12.

Ape Johnson · Mar 12, 2009

LUDACRIS said:
flowering starts when the first flowers start to appear not when you switch to 12/12.
so going 12/12 after 7-10 days and you will see some flower formation and thats when you count flowering times from and not when the light cycle starts 12/12.

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needhelp · Mar 12, 2009

LUDACRIS....i'm not so sure about that... people have been making comments like "i've been in the flowering stage for 2 weeks.. when am i gonna start to see something"... so basically they have already started counting from the day they switched to 12 12.. but what you're saying makes sense

LUDACRIS · Mar 12, 2009

needhelp said:
LUDACRIS....i'm not so sure about that... people have been making comments like "i've been in the flowering stage for 2 weeks.. when am i gonna start to see something"... so basically they have already started counting from the day they switched to 12 12.. but what you're saying makes sense

flowering starts when flowers appear regardless of light schedule.if you vegg your plants long enough they will eventually(6-8 weeks)show preflowers and thats the start of flowering under 18/6 the time is not calculated from when you switch the light schedule to 12/12.
if you vegg before preflowering occurs and then switch to 12/12 you are force flowering the plant and it will start to show flowers in 7-10 days under 12/12 and when it does show flowers due to force flowering thats the start of flowering not when you switch the light.a plant is not flowering untill its got flowers.
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Ape Johnson · Mar 12, 2009

Well Monday will be the begining of the 4th week so I hope they dont start flowering yet, I dont have that setup ready yet!

LUDACRIS · Mar 12, 2009

Ape Johnson said:
Well Monday will be the begining of the 4th week so I hope they dont start flowering yet, I dont have that setup ready yet!

no you will be ok as i said 6-8 weeks before preflowers start to appear under average growing conditions but its no big deal anyway you can vegg your plant for as long as you want if you want a monster the preflowers wont devolp much untill you go 12/12.
some people vegg for 8-10 weeks in order to grow trees but remember when you go 12/12 your plant will eventually end up 2-3 times the height it was when you stop vegging it untill harvest time.
thats why mother plants are kept in vegg mode indefinately so people can take cuttings at their leisure these mothers can be kept in vegg for at least a year under 18/6 or 24/0 and dont flower fully due to the photoperiod only 12/12 will induce full flowering mode.

Ape Johnson · Mar 12, 2009

LUDACRIS said:
no you will be ok as i said 6-8 weeks before preflowers start to appear under average growing conditions but its no big deal anyway you can vegg your plant for as long as you want if you want a monster the preflowers wont devolp much untill you go 12/12.
some people vegg for 8-10 weeks in order to grow trees but remember when you go 12/12 your plant will eventually end up 2-3 times the height it was when you stop vegging it untill harvest time.
thats why mother plants are kept in vegg mode indefinately so people can take cuttings at their leisure these mothers can be kept in vegg for at least a year under 18/6 or 24/0 and dont flower fully due to the photoperiod only 12/12 will induce full flowering mode.

Thats hella good since I didn't plan on flowering for another 4 weeks. PS. I just found 2 30w @ 2700k CFL in my house, you know I just added them to my operation.!

LUDACRIS · Mar 12, 2009

good luck lets know how you get on.

willitgrow · Mar 12, 2009

EVERYONE!
a buddy of mine told me mixing up sugar water and yeast will produce some good co2 for the plant, is this true?
also, is it true that using a little seltzer water to water your plants (not everytime) will get more oxygen to the roots?
thanks!

LUDACRIS · Mar 12, 2009

willitgrow said:
EVERYONE!
a buddy of mine told me mixing up sugar water and yeast will produce some good co2 for the plant, is this true?
also, is it true that using a little seltzer water to water your plants (not everytime) will get more oxygen to the roots?
thanks!

stick to the basics and you will have less problems.
just install proper ventilation(extractor fan) and skip the fancy cocktails of yeast and seltzers you might end up with problems and there is no need if your soil mix is good you can
raise your plant pots slightly on a steel mesh so air can enter the pots through the bottom pot holes more efficiently this also helps with watering.
use 60% soil and 40% perlite for best results.
perlite airiates the soil and is exellent for drainage and holding moisture also.

willitgrow · Mar 13, 2009

ok,
im just gonna stick to spraying a bit of seltzer water on them every once inna while, the drainage holes on my containers are on the very bottom but on the sides as well, im sure its getting good air.

am i doing okay?

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