I imagine a tetherball, the rope being gravity, the pole being the sun and earth being the ball. Imagine hitting the ball and as it takes its course in a circular motion the rope is cut instantly. The ball will not continue its circular trajectory it will immediatly fly of course, this is a direct simulation of what I think would occur in the immediate absence of the sun. Also this "test" would still consider and display all of our known laws of physics.
Always wondered this;
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kermit2692
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yes i agree but i was thinking maybe we would still have tide issues from the lack of whatever play the sun has in it and not because i thought we would lose the moon but that the moon might have some change in its orbit fast enough to completely slingshot the tide and cause tsunamis
Heisenberg
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Einstein believed gravity was bound by the speed of light, and modern physics still favors this theory because of the math, although it lacks experimental evidence to confirm it.
If you guys wanna debate whether or not gravity is instant then go ahead, but there can be no debate about what notion general relativity operates on, that is easily confirmed.
If you guys wanna debate whether or not gravity is instant then go ahead, but there can be no debate about what notion general relativity operates on, that is easily confirmed.
fb360
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You have to realize that someone had to write the code to have the software do that. That code is in the form of math. That math is based on a theory, not fact. Essentially, that video is no better than any of our opinions...
mindphuk
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I linked to articles about experimental evidence from 2003 that Einstein was right. How exactly is that lacking?
mindphuk
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Quit arguing with your stupid canard about facts and proof. ALL of science is theory. All we have to go on for ANY question is theory. You should realize your work with electronic circuits is based 100% on theory. Transistors exist because of quantum theory.
kermit2692
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alrighty everyone has their opinions and therfore thinks others opinions are wrong and im guilty of being all no thats not right this is even when something isnt proven so bottom line i went back and re read the thread and fb360 hes got you here he may have asserted his opinions kind of forcefully acting as they are kind of factual but all in all i dont think he said anything that warrants the uprising here lol
Kite High
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Psst. If the Sun suddenly disappeared you would not even have time to think of what the fuck happened much less concern yourself with gravity's response. There would be so many huge catastrophically changes simultaneously occurring that you would just be quite quickly dead.
kermit2692
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why would everyone turn white before we die if the sun leaves?? lol
fb360
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None of his assertions are factual. Period. I still haven't even made MY OPINION in this thread. Just because my wordage is a bit more harsh you look otherwise; use your head.
Heisenberg
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I overlooked your links before and have now noted them without hurting my butt at all.
So even more so now, there is no question as to which notion mainstream physics favors. To suggest that gravity traveling at the speed of light is not a widely accepted idea is demonstrably wrong, and to suggest that it is instantaneous is experimentally refutable.
fb360
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Where? To this day I'm pretty positive that everything is speculation. If you can prove that it moves at the speed of light I will gladly accept it and move on. We just have not proved that...; even E=mc^2 was questioned when the LHC might have found neutrinos to move faster than TPOL...
kermit2692
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try to use your prefrontal cortex (part of the brain that solves puzzles, ya, i googled it) and add the punctuation in since i was typing lazily...here better?..
alrighty everyone has their opinions and therfore thinks others opinions are wrong. im guilty of being all, "no thats not right this is" even when something isnt proven. so bottom line i went back and re read the thread and fb360 hes got you here. he may have asserted his opinions kind of forcefully acting as they are kind of factual, but all in all i dont think he said anything that warrants the uprising here......so if you cant understand or think that isnt coherent idk what to tell you
kermit2692
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haha re read what he wrote all he has to do is show you where people in science believe that. their is no speculation there either he can show you that alot of people think that or he cant
Heisenberg
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It is laid out pretty clear in the links MP provided and, as far as I can see, the experiments survived rigorous peer review with no real controversy existing today. Replication would be nice but I am not arguing that gravity definitely moves at c, only that mainstream science supports the idea.
I am not sure what point you are making with the FTL neutrinos. Science is always willing to question itself if the evidence warrants. As I remember, the main question was not about the integrity of e=mc2 but about the validity of the data, which was eventually found to be erroneous.
fb360
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All I get from this is: Fb360 you were right/correct, and mindphuk tried to overcome his faults with asserting his opinions forcefully? Did I get you correct, or are you still incoherent?
"Nope, not instantaneous." - Is not speculation? You got me beat Einstein!
Kite High
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Because of my goddamned iPhone. Lmao
fb360
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FTL neutrinos would KILL all of Einstein's theorys as they are all based on the speed of light is the universal maximum velocity!
I will look over his links but I'm 99% sure they are all still theory as it would be a breakthrough if we knew more about gravity... The integrity of our physics would be compromised, let alone e=mc^2...
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Thank you for at least being reasonable... MP thinks I'm attacking him (even though I agree with him), just because I commented on how he asserted his opinions
best part is... I AGREE WITH HIM... yet he still argues
