alternative to AN nutrients & GH

wiid206

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First of all, I will never say you are doing it wrong. Cultivation is a learning experience and there is no wrong and right. There is only better. You get better as you go. I can offer advice based on my experiences, but it doesn't mean you won't have a more effective method to suit your needs. If you got some good bud, you did it right, that's how I see it. But you can ALWAYS do it better.
I used AN the last couple runs & didnt us lime, ph up, ph down, cal/mag, bloom boosters, equalizers, or neutralizers, guess I musta done something wrong huh? If you feel you need to buy all that shit from AN, GH, Technaflora etc, you are silly, tell me what the lime is doing for you and then go back to your list of things you suggest to use with it, see any redundancy?
So.. not exactly how it works. See, all those chems I named are different solutions that come in seperate bottles that are used by many people for many various things. For instance, maybe you want to add lime to your organic soil to give it a little acidity. Cannabis likes it on the acidic side, or maybe you want to add lime and a neutralizer to the soil to help prevent mold and pests, maybe you want to add calcium to induce dense budding. I didn't say I used all those things, I simply said the solutions are just as good as any companies solutions. As far as the nutrients themselves, AN nutes have a bad reputation for going to shit, inconsistant mixtures- get a ppm reader and test three different bottles of AN, ordered 2 months apart, but the same product over a course of say, 6 months. You will see how it fluctuates between orders and over time with overall shelf life. Keep a bottle of AN nutes for a year, then dump it out into a bowl and look in the bottom of the jug and tell me what you see. You have chunks of sediment and this sediment is nutes that caused you to feed your plant unbalanced measures. So no matter how careful you are with your mixture, you still inadvertantly give it the wrong mixture. Unless of course you are growing like 300 plants at once and go through a liter in about 2 weeks. Most of us aren't distributors, we grow for our own purposes and we want nutes that are right for us.
My tap water is ph balanced, usually hovers between 5.8 and 7. So I never futz with lime or neutralizers or any of that. And I only ever grow 5 to 6 plants at a time. So AN nutes is not for me. I can assure you, all of those things I named and more, serve a valuable purpose to people who know how to use them. On the other hand, it isn't absolutely necessary, you are right about that. It isn't necessary to harvest a pound per plant either, but I sure do give it my best shot every time.
You can have a successful grow with AN nutes. I have had a couple good runs with them. But this thread isn't just to bash, it's to glorify the products that have better traits, and point out the negative traits of products recommended to avoid. If you like AN nutes, then by all means, use them. If you have a good grow, I'll smoke some with you, I'm not a fanatic. But if you make the switch to more reliable product, your plants will love you for it.
 

homebrewer

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I used AN the last couple runs & didnt us lime, ph up, ph down, cal/mag, bloom boosters, equalizers, or neutralizers, guess I musta done something wrong huh? If you feel you need to buy all that shit from AN, GH, Technaflora etc, you are silly, tell me what the lime is doing for you and then go back to your list of things you suggest to use with it, see any redundancy?
You've posted dozens of times about mixing your own raw salts and I gotta ask, why are you still using AN? You also seem to defend AN as much as I bash them and one would think that for someone who mixes their own raw salts that you'd easily see the lack of value and performance in their offerings.
 

Liam420

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started this thread a while ago nice to see ppl still replying

on day 2 of flowering, what iv used is , An 3 parts with big bug , blood bud and carbo load everything looks great

im going to use nector for the gods next, i was able to get a free case of there entire line up so might as well give it a go

but im keen on using dyna grow, seems a lot of people use it

should i mix the blood bud with the 3 parts when i go to water, or whatever once with 3 part then next watering just using bud blood? should ii add the carbo load into ??
 

Jbone77

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You've posted dozens of times about mixing your own raw salts and I gotta ask, why are you still using AN? You also seem to defend AN as much as I bash them and one would think that for someone who mixes their own raw salts that you'd easily see the lack of value and performance in their offerings.
I bought AN once, that lasted me 2 grows, my last 2, I dont mix all my own stuff, I buy bases from whoever has a good deal and buy it, as far as what my raw salts consist of its pretty simple, potassium silicate, monopotassium phosphate, calcium nitrate and epsom. I have used many different nute lines with those simple salts and have not had a bad experience with any nute company. As far as defending AN goes, I wasnt defending AN, I was merely questioning why a soil grower would ammend with lime and then buy cal/mag, ph up, ph down. Im currently doing a soil grow for the first time in a couple years so I say piss on AN and Dynagro, they are both a waste of money for a soil grow. I have never defended AN other than pointing out the simple fact that you dont need a 2nd mortgage to use AN like you guys say, 2 grows with AN bases and my salts cost me about $40 and I have an entire veg cycle left in my sensi grow. Most every company makes splendid nutes, the additives that AN, Dynagro etc sell are a scam, regardless of the manufacturer. AN bases work great, GH bases work great, Dynagro bases work great. PH perfect is a cool base, didnt ph my shit for 2 grows.
 

Jbone77

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started this thread a while ago nice to see ppl still replying

on day 2 of flowering, what iv used is , An 3 parts with big bug , blood bud and carbo load everything looks great

im going to use nector for the gods next, i was able to get a free case of there entire line up so might as well give it a go

but im keen on using dyna grow, seems a lot of people use it

should i mix the blood bud with the 3 parts when i go to water, or whatever once with 3 part then next watering just using bud blood? should ii add the carbo load into ??
Dynagro has good bases but its kinda strange that all the people using Dynagro only talk about there Dynagro on AN threads, why dont they start up a few Dynagro threads? Im not hatin tho, if Dynagro was payin me id be pimpin the shit out of Dynagro on AN threads also. I actually bought AN because of the Dynagro guys, they bashed it so frequently I figured it had to be decent. Reminds me of my first crush when I was a kid, picked on her constantly but I loved that bitch
 

homebrewer

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I bought AN once, that lasted me 2 grows, my last 2, I dont mix all my own stuff, I buy bases from whoever has a good deal and buy it, as far as what my raw salts consist of its pretty simple, potassium silicate, monopotassium phosphate, calcium nitrate and epsom. I have used many different nute lines with those simple salts and have not had a bad experience with any nute company. As far as defending AN goes, I wasnt defending AN, I was merely questioning why a soil grower would ammend with lime and then buy cal/mag, ph up, ph down. Im currently doing a soil grow for the first time in a couple years so I say piss on AN and Dynagro, they are both a waste of money for a soil grow. I have never defended AN other than pointing out the simple fact that you dont need a 2nd mortgage to use AN like you guys say, 2 grows with AN bases and my salts cost me about $40 and I have an entire veg cycle left in my sensi grow. Most every company makes splendid nutes, the additives that AN, Dynagro etc sell are a scam, regardless of the manufacturer. AN bases work great, GH bases work great, Dynagro bases work great. PH perfect is a cool base, didnt ph my shit for 2 grows.
I guarantee that a true soil grow indoors is more expensive than what I do in promix. Unless of course you're using compost from your compost bin.
 

Jbone77

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I guarantee that a true soil grow indoors is more expensive than what I do in promix. Unless of course you're using compost from your compost bin.
Im in florida so I cook up quite a bit of soil during the year as this damn sand just doesnt cut it. I use it on all my veggies and ornamentals as well as when I need a break from hydro. The ewc cost a bit but everything else is pretty cheap and lasts quite a while. I have said it plenty of times but il say it again, the return on investment we get from growing this plant is so high that I dont give a shit if a guy uses ANs entire line up in aero, Foliage pro in promix, ROLS, or he uses Jacks in dirt, you will get a very nice return no matter what you use, as long as he can grow a plant that is
 

homebrewer

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Im in florida so I cook up quite a bit of soil during the year as this damn sand just doesnt cut it. I use it on all my veggies and ornamentals as well as when I need a break from hydro. The ewc cost a bit but everything else is pretty cheap and lasts quite a while. I have said it plenty of times but il say it again, the return on investment we get from growing this plant is so high that I dont give a shit if a guy uses ANs entire line up in aero, Foliage pro in promix, ROLS, or he uses Jacks in dirt, you will get a very nice return no matter what you use, as long as he can grow a plant that is

It is a valuable crop for the croppers who are selling it. For those of us who grow for a hobby, cost matters. Though the organic route is less about cost and more about the 'method' if you will and I respect that.
 

Jbone77

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It is a valuable crop for the croppers who are selling it. For those of us who grow for a hobby, cost matters. Though the organic route is less about cost and more about the 'method' if you will and I respect that.
I completely disagree, I have several "hobbies", none of them are cheap but I dont care because its my hobby and I enjoy them. Now when it comes to my business on the other hand I most certainly do care about costs, a lot of time is spent determining the most cost efficient way to run. I have also seen pics of several peoples gardens on here who say they are "hobbyists" and not "croppers", flowering 10 plants at a time in a perpetual grow is not a hobby and its not for personal, it makes you a drug dealer, embrace it, 3 crops a year in a single 4x4 tent is a hobby and for personal.
 

MOON SHINER

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I used AN the last couple runs & didnt us lime, ph up, ph down, cal/mag, bloom boosters, equalizers, or neutralizers, guess I musta done something wrong huh? If you feel you need to buy all that shit from AN, GH, Technaflora etc, you are silly, tell me what the lime is doing for you and then go back to your list of things you suggest to use with it, see any redundancy?
Without dolomite lime I would have to work much harder at growing. I grow in coco which tends to hog the calcium. Foliage Pro has plenty of calcium in it to grow awesome plants, I know this from my aero set up. But in coco my run off pH drops very low with calcium deficiencies following shortly after about 30-45 days of being repotted. A simple 1 tbsp. per gallon of coco every 4 weeks keeps ph perfect and the extra Ca, and Mg help with the coco holding onto them.

I have pH up and down though they are hardly ever used, about twice in the last 3 months. A little Protekt goes a long way at stabilizing pH from what I have seen.
 

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churchhaze

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Foliage Pro is high in calcium specifically because it's high in nitrate, while not being high in potassium (lots of calcium nitrate, not as much potassium nitrate). If pH is low in coco using FP, I would think to add KOH or K2SiO3 rather than lime. I still think protekts main advantage is the potassium it provides rather than the silicates though, and thus KOH is a cheaper, more potassium rich, alternative.

I feel like putting lime in coco defeats the whole purpose, not that it doesn't work.
 
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Jbone77

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Without dolomite lime I would have to work much harder at growing. I grow in coco which tends to hog the calcium. Foliage Pro has plenty of calcium in it to grow awesome plants, I know this from my aero set up. But in coco my run off pH drops very low with calcium deficiencies following shortly after about 30-45 days of being repotted. A simple 1 tbsp. per gallon of coco every 4 weeks keeps ph perfect and the extra Ca, and Mg help with the coco holding onto them.

I have pH up and down though they are hardly ever used, about twice in the last 3 months. A little Protekt goes a long way at stabilizing pH from what I have seen.
And? Like I said, any base nute line that is either high in calcium nitrate or supplemented with calcium nitrate will supply all the extra calcium and nitrogen needed, I have never needed to add anything more for that. Protekt is great, but its a bigger scam than most all AN additives, its just like GHs koolbloom, they are both a simple salt with a pretty label and a high price tag, waste of money. Anybody can defend there nute line but the simple fact is they all work great, especially when tweaked with cheap ass raw salts like potassium silicate or calcium nitrate or monopotassium phosphate.
 
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