All UK Growers! Where is the Best Place to Get a Timer Switch able to Cope with 400w

shadowdarker

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i bought a timer switch that was 13 amp more than enough for my 400hps but it wont work with it. can any of you give me the make and model of your timer switch that i know works so i can perchase 1. my lights on 24/7 at min. cheers guys :lol::lol:
 

Saerimmner

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what do you mean it wont work with it? if you have set the current time and also the on/off times correctly and it still doesnt work then its broken and you should take it back, also the switch on the side of most timers( on constant or timed) sometimes stick so make sure it isnt in between positions
 

mully1982

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i bought a timer switch that was 13 amp more than enough for my 400hps but it wont work with it. can any of you give me the make and model of your timer switch that i know works so i can perchase 1. my lights on 24/7 at min. cheers guys :lol::lol:
Just a standard digital timer from any decent appliance store will work
 

shadowdarker

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it wont work but when i bought the switch it said on package no good for lights above 300w but i couldnt see how it would make a difference the timer was rated at 13 amp so thats massive current my light only pulls about 3 amps so i thought it would be cool obviously not. ill go b&q see what they got.
 

Nocturn3

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You shouldn't use a standard household timer with HID lighting, particularly if your ballast is the magnetic type. It will stick in the on position sooner or later, due to the poor quality switching components that are used in the average timer, and the fact that mag ballasts have a much higher inductive load on startup, compared to their stated wattage. At the very least, a stuck timer will disrupt light cycles, and has the potential to be more hazardous (fires etc).

I recommend you look for a heavy duty timer which is rated for HID use. The cheapest one that I know of is the "plug and grow 22A heavy duty timer", which is good for up to a 600 watt magnetic HID. These are usually around £15. A slightly more expensive solution, available in most grow shops, is a contactor relay setup, like the maxiswitch light controller. These devices use a relay to switch on your light, which prevents the initial startup surge from passing through the timer and welding the contacts together. Expect to pay around £40 for the 2-way version, with a grasslin timer included.

People may say "but i've used a standard timer for ages and never had a problem", but it doesn't change the fact that to do so is unsafe, and at the very least you risk interupting your light schedule when the timer sticks. The money spent on a proper timer or relay is money well spent, particularly given the shit quality of the average timer sold in the UK.
 

Nocturn3

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it wont work but when i bought the switch it said on package no good for lights above 300w but i couldnt see how it would make a difference the timer was rated at 13 amp so thats massive current my light only pulls about 3 amps so i thought it would be cool obviously not. ill go b&q see what they got.
The inductive startup load of a magnetic HID light can be many times more than it's stated wattage. Trust me on this, and get a good timer or relay.
 

mydaau

Member
I use a Plug n Grow relay timer that I got off fleabay for 13 quid. Does the job, easy to set up, can handle up to 600w.
 

zippythehippy

Active Member
if you got a timer/contactor that will handle more than youll use youll always be safe also you might want to expand in future so havinga contactor timer that can handle more is just future planning
 

Nocturn3

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To be honest, i'm not sure. I know they are a lot less of a problem than mag ballasts in this regard, and i think they would be fine with a standard timer, as long as it is within spec, but don't quote me on it.

Sorry I can't be of more use with regards to digi ballasts, but I am sure of my advice regarding mag ballasts.
 

shadowdarker

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thanks guys good advice as always. ill order the plug and grow timer switch as suggested and untill it arrives ill keep them under 24/7 no harms as they only babies thanks guys. i knew hid lights always surrge to ignite but a 13a 3000w rated unit should easily cope with a 400w light ill just get another and stop my wingeing now. thanks again
 

Nocturn3

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thanks guys good advice as always. ill order the plug and grow timer switch as suggested and untill it arrives ill keep them under 24/7 no harms as they only babies thanks guys. i knew hid lights always surrge to ignite but a 13a 3000w rated unit should easily cope with a 400w light ill just get another and stop my wingeing now. thanks again
I hear what you are sayiing here, but I've had several electricians explain the concept to me. I just found the following quote on a contractor's forum that explains it better than I could:

Transient Inrush on most Reactive devices like these Ballasts would range from 400% of rated high-end current, to as much as 1000% of high-end current. Time frame would be maybe for only 10-20 cycles for highest draw, tapering down to like 200-300% by the time a full 60 cycles has passed.
I need to check into this and verify data, but it "seems" this would be accurate.
So, as you can see, for a fraction of a second, the current is like 10 times the normal draw. This won't be a problem for the wiring, but it will create a spark across the switch that, around the same time, is being closed. This spark, when repeated regularly, will fuse the contacts together, and has the possibility of melting the enclosure around the switch, particularly on the cheap-ass switches that are used in household timers.

Glad to hear you are going for the plug and grow. Too many people ignore the value of a good timer, and have problems down the road because of this.
 

shadowdarker

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nice 1 nocturn +rep for that!! just a little winge ill buy the plug and grow and be safe. but them bastards i bought the timer off will know all about it when i take it back lol
 

0blivious

Active Member
Erm Hi guys I have a question about this if you dont mind..

I;ve just bought a 400w hps, so if I buy a contactor relay and a timer do i plug the timer into the mains, then the contactor relay into the timer and finally the lights into the contactor relay????
 

jordz

Member
Hi
My advise dont use them there crap i have blown about 6-7 of them you need to visit a grow store and pick up a kind of transformer with built in plug sockets think they are about £30 stops all ur timers from blowing. when they stop working its the mechanism inside the amount of power going through the socket when the ballast 1st stars up is too much for the timer and welds the mechanism together with the amount of heat
 

ROBSTERB

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Erm Hi guys I have a question about this if you dont mind..

I;ve just bought a 400w hps, so if I buy a contactor relay and a timer do i plug the timer into the mains, then the contactor relay into the timer and finally the lights into the contactor relay????
hi yes if you buy a contractor you can use a normal timer, plug the cantactor into the timer then the light into the contactor, if it has two plugs on the contactor 1 is for the timer and the other plugs straight into the socket, it should tell you which is which also the link above is perfect for you if only useing 1 light, you wont need to buy the contactor as its built in.
 
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