Alfalfa Meal, How to use?

Hey, I'm fairly new to Organics. I've recently bought "Alfalfa Meal" and the directions only specify "Bed Preparation" I want to use this as a foliar spray and or mix in with water. I also have "Black strap molasses" that i'd like to use in the mix. My ladies are currently on their 5th week of veg. Can't locate my cam so, no pictures as of yet.
 

Gastanker

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Molasses just gets mixed into water at 1 tbs per gallon.

Alfalfa meal must be incorporated into the soil before planting. Alfalfa meal is very low on nutes and they are extremely slow release, only becoming available after bacteria and fungi has broken them down. Alfalfa meal is a great carbon source for beneficial soil bacteria, feeding them as they process other inactive nutrients into active nutrients. This is a great soil amendment when used in conjunction with other higher rated organic nutrients, and for very long duration grows - generally seasonal outdoor grows. This is not ideal for short grows or as a stand alone.

I should throw in that this cannot be made into a foliar feed nor can you make the standard tea out of it. Alfalfa meal contains no water soluble nutrients. Sorry. :(
 

Gastanker

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I just read a very interesting post on "THCfarmer" , check it out.

http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f31/alfalfa-tea-1769/
That is interesting. Triaconatol would be helpful but is found in natural plant waxes which are not water soluble. To my knowledge most brewing techniques will not make this readily available but you should be able to find it as a stand alone product. A two day brew with a bubble stone surely isn't going to break down any of the NPK in the alfalfa meal so if the tea has an effect it likely is due to the triaconatol. I would be interested in your result if you use this foliarly. Perhaps use on half and not the other so you have a control.

His second posting should work much better. Long time outdoors (months preferably) in the sun and preferably aerated - aerobic bacteria composts much faster than anaerobic bacteria in water. . This will break down the alfalfa meal into a usable form.

/e I would still recommend adding it directly to the soil in advance. The extra carbon really helps with additional organic ferts and the carbon is really what you are paying for - keep in mind it's only ~3-4% total npk. Also helps with aeration and drainage.
 

Indicator

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Ditto on the alfalfa. Overdid it once with an "old-ish" batch of tea... that stuff really concentrates with time... smelled like pine-sol, less the pine. After the initial shock, my girl exploded with growth! I generally like to let it cook a few weeks along with the other basic organic goodies. Alfalfa shakes are my husband "secret weapon" on drug tests. Abstains for like ten days and drinks two nasty shakes a day. Hasn't failed yet. My theory is the saponins must be cleansing his system. I have read some articles that lead me to believe that is the case... but I'm no scientist. Should anyone try it and fail, don't come crying to me.:roll:
... read those posts, I was just wondering to myself yesterday if triaconatol is in Super Thrive! kinda weird
 

Indicator

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I should throw in that this cannot be made into a foliar feed nor can you make the standard tea out of it. Alfalfa meal contains no water soluble nutrients. Sorry. :(
Well, I have always made a tea with great/fast results. According to my bag of meal:

Guaranteed Analysis:

[SIZE=-1]Total Nitrogen (N)
0.6% Water Soluble Natural Nitrogen
1.9% Water Insoluble Natural Nitrogen[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]2.5%[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Available Phosphoric Acid (P2O5)[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]1.0%[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Soluble Potash (K2O)[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]1.0%[/SIZE]

So, not much, but a wee bit. However, I'm sure most of the benefit is through the microbial action and the triacontanol, aeration, etc.
 

Gastanker

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Well, I have always made a tea with great/fast results. According to my bag of meal:

Guaranteed Analysis:

[SIZE=-1]Total Nitrogen (N)
0.6% Water Soluble Natural Nitrogen
1.9% Water Insoluble Natural Nitrogen[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]2.5%[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Available Phosphoric Acid (P2O5)[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]1.0%[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Soluble Potash (K2O)[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]1.0%[/SIZE]

So, not much, but a wee bit. However, I'm sure most of the benefit is through the microbial action and the triacontanol, aeration, etc.
No kidding. I'll have to start trying this. I always include it in the soil but if this triacontanol does what everyone is saying, why not spray as well. Wee bit of N never hurts either. Is triancontanol better absorbed through the leaves than through the roots?
 

Indicator

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...Is triancontanol better absorbed through the leaves than through the roots?
Good question. I haven't used it foliarly. I have seen it referred to as a root stimulant and a growth hormone. If you ferment your tea for a few days, it will break down the tria making it available to the plant. That is what happened in my case. I think it is best to use caution as it basically breaks down into ammonia. So too much will cause your ph to spike. There is a pretty good write-up on it at the AN website under their product "Nirvana." Have never used their products, however, I thought it was a fairly good explanation on the benefits of alfalfa and tria... http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/advancepedia/organic-nutrients-and-supplements/nirvana.php

I suppose the better answer would be through the roots as the tria needs microbial action to become available. Though fermented and well diluted might also work on leaves.
 
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