Al B. FAQt

bleezyg420 · Oct 7, 2008

Al B. Fuct said:
Just do flood trays, so much simpler. Easy to clean, can't clog, etc.

I have a question, your inbox is totally full & probably always is . So maybe you will see this and get back with a answer. I have 2 600's. is there any advantages to having 2 flower rooms. I have a veg/mother room aswell so I would be harvesting every month with 2 flower rooms but . Heres the ?? Wouldn't it be more sufficient to but the 600's together in 1 flower room, and just flower all plants combined from both rooms at once? Then I wouldn't need to have 2 sets of EVERYTHING?Monitor 2 rooms. Id still have them on rotation so Im pulling 6 out every 4 weeks, and immediately replacing with vegged clones. Thanks in advance.

Lobo69 · Oct 7, 2008

Hey,
Hopefully you remember this from a few pages back...I was having problems controlling my soldering iron top temp with the dimmer...anyway I have wired 2 up to an incandescent bulb...I think both dimmers I tried are faulty. One just turns the bulb on without an increase/decrease in intensity. The other turns on at full intensity about half way. Do you think that they are faulty? I only paid about 6 bucks each for the dimmers? I figured that they should at least work though...lol.
Thanks.

fitzyno1 · Oct 7, 2008

Al, you used to use Canna's PK-13-14 in week 3 of flowering, then you changed it to 3 weeks before harvest (week 5).
When you were using it in week 3, did the PK-13-14 cook the plants then?
Have you experimented with different strengths of PK-13-14?
I know the PK-13-14 is not organic, do you think the H202 might be reacting with the PK-13-14 in any way?
Did you tell Canna that you use H202?

NLXSK1 · Oct 7, 2008

I've been looking for the same nuts canna can't find them if you have the link would appriciate it. Canna may be hard to get in the US. I can't offer you any suggestions as I'm not in Nth America.

You can find them here...

CANNA NUTRIENTS - CANNA AQUA - CANNA COCO - CANNAZYME

NLXSK1 · Oct 7, 2008

bleezyg420 said:
I have a question, your inbox is totally full & probably always is . So maybe you will see this and get back with a answer. I have 2 600's. is there any advantages to having 2 flower rooms. I have a veg/mother room aswell so I would be harvesting every month with 2 flower rooms but . Heres the ?? Wouldn't it be more sufficient to but the 600's together in 1 flower room, and just flower all plants combined from both rooms at once? Then I wouldn't need to have 2 sets of EVERYTHING?Monitor 2 rooms. Id still have them on rotation so Im pulling 6 out every 4 weeks, and immediately replacing with vegged clones. Thanks in advance.

The only way you would need 2 flower rooms would be if you wanted to germinate a strain or something like that.

If you do not have to make 2 grow rooms for a reason save yourself the trouble and $$.

Al B. Fuct · Oct 7, 2008

fitzyno1 said:
Al, you used to use Canna's PK-13-14 in week 3 of flowering, then you changed it to 3 weeks before harvest (week 5).
When you were using it in week 3, did the PK-13-14 cook the plants then?

Now you're going to tax my memory. It must have, but I can't recall offhand how badly.

Have you experimented with different strengths of PK-13-14?

yeah, I started with the jug label recommendation of 2ml/L, reduced to 1ml/L, still cooking them, then 0.5ml/L, when I stopped using the stuff until I could get some clarity from Canna.

I know the PK-13-14 is not organic, do you think the H202 might be reacting with the PK-13-14 in any way?

No, and precisely because it is not organic do I think there's no problem with H2O2 & PK. If there were a reaction between PK & H2O2, there'd also be a reaction with Canna Flores, which doesn't appear to be the case.

Did you tell Canna that you use H202?

Sure did.

bleezyg420 · Oct 7, 2008

bleezyg420 said:
I have a question, your inbox is totally full & probably always is . So maybe you will see this and get back with a answer. I have 2 600's. is there any advantages to having 2 flower rooms. I have a veg/mother room aswell so I would be harvesting every month with 2 flower rooms but . Heres the ?? Wouldn't it be more sufficient to but the 600's together in 1 flower room, and just flower all plants combined from both rooms at once? Then I wouldn't need to have 2 sets of EVERYTHING?Monitor 2 rooms. Id still have them on rotation so Im pulling 6 out every 4 weeks, and immediately replacing with vegged clones. Thanks in advance.

could ya help?

GypsyBush · Oct 8, 2008

Hi Al...

Hope all is well down under...

So, I have been laughed at; but I thought that when a Cannabis plant is sexually mature, the branches are no longer side by side, but alternated...

Any relationship there?

Thanks!

Gypsy... :joint:

Al B. Fuct · Oct 8, 2008

Originally Posted by bleezyg420 https://www.rollitup.org/94811-al-b-faqt-147.html#post1433803
I have a question, your inbox is totally full & probably always is . So maybe you will see this and get back with a answer. I have 2 600's. is there any advantages to having 2 flower rooms. I have a veg/mother room aswell so I would be harvesting every month with 2 flower rooms but . Heres the ?? Wouldn't it be more sufficient to but the 600's together in 1 flower room, and just flower all plants combined from both rooms at once?

You only need one flowering area. Can't see any benefit in having more than one.

If you already have two 600HPS, use 'em, but I'd prefer a single 1000 in a cooltube. A 1000 makes about 165,000 lumens from about 1100W out of the AC mains, 600s make about 95,000 from about 650-670W.

GypsyBush said:
Hope all is well down under...

tis, thanks for asking.

I thought that when a Cannabis plant is sexually mature, the branches are no longer side by side, but alternated...

Any relationship there?

None that I know of. Sexual maturity is indicated by the presence of preflowers at the nodes.

ldnsharkkid · Oct 8, 2008

Hi Al, sorry to bother you again just a quick question, i am about to put my rockwool cubes in clay pebbles 1/2" above flood level as you said but how do i handwater for a coupla days without soaking the rockwool cubes? Any advice is appreciated, thanks :peace:

NLXSK1 · Oct 8, 2008

Al B. Fuct said:
700 scale? 500 scale? Hm?

Taken from the guide book that comes with a bluelab meter

What's the difference? The ppm 500 scale is based on measuring the KCI or potassium chloride content of a solution. The ppm 700 is based on measuring the NaCl or sodium chloride content of a solution. individual nutrient ions have different electrical effects! The true ppm of a solution can only be determined by a chemical analysis, ppm cannot be accurately measured by a CF or EC meter. They are present on Bluelab products as a converstion guide only. The conversion is as follows.

2.4 EC x 500 = 1200ppm (500 scale) or 1200ppm / 500 = 2.4EC
2.4 EC x 700 = 1680ppm (700 scale) or 1680ppm / 700 = 2.4 EC

If you are reading from a book that says you should grow your crop at 1680ppm - how do you know which scale the writer of the book is referring to? Is the scale on your ppm meter right for the job? If the book was written in the USA, it could be the 650 or 500 scale. if the book was written in the UK, it could be the 700 scale, if the book was written in Australia, well it could be all three pllus a few more!

If you must grow using ppm you will need to know the following:

What ppm scale is the book referring to?
What ppm scale is your meter using?
Which calibration standard should you use for your meter?
What ppm scale is my nutrient referring to?

Al B. Fuct · Oct 8, 2008

Well, thanks Bluelab... for making things clear as mud.

NLXSK1 · Oct 8, 2008

Al B. Fuct said:
Well, thanks Bluelab... for making things clear as mud.

I took a reading of my plain water that was .5 EC which is either 250 on the 500 scale or 350 on the 700 scale :/

The fact that you set your PPM @ 1400 does not help with that...

HOWEVER!!

Since we are using "Almost" the same nutes I am going to do a test and put 3.6 ml per L of parts A&B into solution and measure the PPM that results. That should tell me which scale you are operating off of :]

Return of the Spork · Oct 8, 2008

Well I noticed all of the ppm/EC on the AdvancedNutrient website calculator show they are using a 700 scale. And unless you got your 1400ppm number from your own testing, it is a bit convenient to be spot on 2.0 EC on the 700 scale so that is probably what you have and is probably what most ppl measure by.

I just do a (5/7) conversion factor on any ppm the AN site shows to figure out what I need. Seems to be EC is the baseline.

Anyways, reason I was asking was to try to figure out how high I should go on nutes vs how high AN says to go. I know you use a different kind but was trying to use your ppm as a baseline.

Al B. Fuct · Oct 8, 2008

NLXSK1 said:
Since we are using "Almost" the same nutes I am going to do a test and put 3.6 ml per L of parts A&B into solution and measure the PPM that results. That should tell me which scale you are operating off of :]

Just so you know, my tapwater (MOST of the time) is <140ppm, since it will not usually cause an indication on the Truncheon. Once in a while, it'll light the first LED on the scale (140-200ppm? I'd have to go look at the thing).

This is from an email I got from Canna the other day:

CANNA recommends running no more than 2.2 EC. (1540 ppm)

Canna also have corrected me on how to handle tapwater with a high EC; they say to limit the TDS EC to 1540ppm, inclusive of tapwater EC.

KidCreole · Oct 8, 2008

hey al, hows life mate? i have a question. i threw a seed out one day not really expectin much and lo and behold, a sprout shot thru! my question is that i think it's grounded in SAND. ive done soil indoor and outdoor, but never sand outdoors? should i be expecting anything different?

NLXSK1 · Oct 8, 2008

Al B. Fuct said:
Just so you know, my tapwater (MOST of the time) is <140ppm, since it will not usually cause an indication on the Truncheon. Once in a while, it'll light the first LED on the scale (140-200ppm? I'd have to go look at the thing).

This is from an email I got from Canna the other day:

Canna also have corrected me on how to handle tapwater with a high EC; they say to limit the TDS EC to 1540ppm, inclusive of tapwater EC.

That means that Canna is using the ECx700 scale as 2.2EC = 1540ppm on that scale and only 1100 ppm on the ECx500 scale.

I will bet the multiple scale conversions for PPM cause people trouble all the time :neutral:

bleezyg420 · Oct 8, 2008

Al B. Fuct said:
You only need one flowering area. Can't see any benefit in having more than one.

If you already have two 600HPS, use 'em, but I'd prefer a single 1000 in a cooltube. A 1000 makes about 165,000 lumens from about 1100W out of the AC mains, 600s make about 95,000 from about 650-670W.

tis, thanks for asking.

Yea thanks for the help. Yea I already have 2 sun systems, both are hooked up to a 6 in vortex. Are cool tubes alot cooler and glass shield'd hoods?

HATCH · Oct 8, 2008

Hey!!!!~~I've Been Looking & Looking & Even Looking??????? :roll:

Did I Miss It???? :roll:

Did You Post Them On Another Community??? :roll:

Were Are The Pic.'s AL B.????~~Later~~~Hatch~~~ bongsmilie

Al B. Fuct · Oct 8, 2008

KidCreole said:
should i be expecting anything different?

Yep, it won't last long in sand. Sand saturates easily but once fully dry may become water repellent. It would not make a good hydroponic medium. Sand also, of course, has no nutrients.

Transplant the thing into some good quality, loose, friable potting soil ASAP.

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