advanced nutrients vs canna terra?

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Terrorbeard

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Hi everyone,

I've been looking to buy a full nutrient range for my new borns. Doing a soil grow, went to my local hydro shop and i was directed towards the canna terra range..

That is, terra vega, terra flores, rhizotonic, canazyme, boost and pk 13/14.

Canna provide an easy guide as to which nutrients to give and when to give them from veg to flower, step by step and easy to follow.


However i'm a picky buyer when i want results so i walked away and researched some advanced nutrients.. These guys seem to be the true pioneers? after watching a few videos and reading their maximizing yield and flavour like no other. However upon looking over the website all their products seem to be for the 'bloom/ flower' stages. Or i'm probably just reading it wrong.

Basically to cut it short. which nutrient range do you lovely people think is better? And if i were to buy advanced nutrients what products should i be buying for a full plant cycle veg and flower?

Thanks
 
powderwilkening

powderwilkening

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Well my brother just started growing with Canna about 1 year and a 1/2 ago. He uses Canna's Coco growing Medium in Smart Pots. I've seen some pretty phenomenal results. I think Advanced advertises as having lower prices than Canna, but obviously Canna is specificaly designed for growing mary jane. When it comes to it, seems like Advanced has got alot of good products. Maybe too many though??? Cannas nutrient line is pretty simple and easy to follow you just have to "dial it in". 5 products compared to 15+ products?
 
dbkick

dbkick

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I was about to try canna but my hydro guy talked me out of it, plus I know I got excellent results with AN . I didn't even use an entire package. sensigrow a/b and b52 for veg, sensibloom a/b , big bug, b52 and overdrive for flower. I add a few things as I feel I need them like sensical . I'd like to be able to afford an intermediate complete package but I'm not made of money so I use just what I need to get by.
 
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Terrorbeard

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i agree powder, AN has sooo many on there it just seems too difficult to choose.. However whatever AN says, canna is far cheaper than anything they have. some say its all marketing. But i really want to know which is the better product, i want the best out of these babies.

What do you did the shop guy say to make you sway db?
 
Tyrannabudz

Tyrannabudz

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Check outhttp://discountan.com they have several packages they put together to show all the different options you have with AN. They call them their discount packages. They also have a timeline to show which products should be used and when.
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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Terrorbeard said:
Hi everyone,

I've been looking to buy a full nutrient range for my new borns. Doing a soil grow, went to my local hydro shop and i was directed towards the canna terra range..

That is, terra vega, terra flores, rhizotonic, canazyme, boost and pk 13/14.

Canna provide an easy guide as to which nutrients to give and when to give them from veg to flower, step by step and easy to follow.


However i'm a picky buyer when i want results so i walked away and researched some advanced nutrients.. These guys seem to be the true pioneers? after watching a few videos and reading their maximizing yield and flavour like no other. However upon looking over the website all their products seem to be for the 'bloom/ flower' stages. Or i'm probably just reading it wrong.

Basically to cut it short. which nutrient range do you lovely people think is better? And if i were to buy advanced nutrients what products should i be buying for a full plant cycle veg and flower?

Thanks
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People who don't know any better spend a lot of money on nutes and it's not entirely their fault. Certain nute companies claim to make 'cannabis-specific' nutrients with cool names, amazing artwork and charge a hefty price because we can afford to pay it. The truth is that cannabis isn't this anomaly of a plant that requires nutrients or additives or NPK ratios that no other plant would need. You wouldn't know that by picking up your latest issue of Grow Big magazine with the glossy ads and pseudo professors making claims of this and that. At the heart of growing any plant is the 17 essential macro and micro nutrients and when you're feeding your plant these foods in the amounts that are required by the plant given their stage of growth, you'll get the biggest, healthiest plants and yields.

Check out my GH vs DynaGro thread in my signature. DynaGro is one of the only nute companies that I know of that offers complete plant nutrition in one bottle. No fancy labels or claims, just the bare-bones essentials with balanced NPKs which every plant needs. To add to that, the pH does not fluctuate.
 
dbkick

dbkick

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Terrorbeard said:
i agree powder, AN has sooo many on there it just seems too difficult to choose.. However whatever AN says, canna is far cheaper than anything they have. some say its all marketing. But i really want to know which is the better product, i want the best out of these babies.

What do you did the shop guy say to make you sway db?
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well, not much really. He's an AN fanboi and like I said I DO get excellent results with AN. If I could find something that worked as well and was cheaper I'd use it but canna isn't cheaper as far as I know.
 
dbkick

dbkick

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I guess if you have a problem counting to two using a one part base nutrient is a good idea.
 
dbkick

dbkick

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And as for the people talking shit about how much AN cost its really not that expensive if you don't use every-fucking-thing they sell, I'm sold on 4 items they make and those are mentioned above, I've added two more items those being sensical grow and sensical bloom.Again I say if you haven't used something EVER why put so much energy into talking shit on it??
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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dbkick said:
I guess if you have a problem counting to two using a one part base nutrient is a good idea.
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If you condensed all of AN's base nutes (3 part, sensi and conni) AND added all their supplements and additives into one bottle, it still wouldn't provide as many micro nutrients as 1 standard bottle of Dynagro's grow or bloom. Don't take my word for it, compare the labels.

I'm just illustrating the point that plant nutrition is not about a brand, it's about the minerals and the ratios contained inside the bottle.

If any AN or canna users would like to post pics of their product, please do. I'll show you something better grown at a fraction of the cost ;).
 
Motherhugger

Motherhugger

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Terrorbeard said:
Hi everyone,

I've been looking to buy a full nutrient range for my new borns. Doing a soil grow, went to my local hydro shop and i was directed towards the canna terra range..

That is, terra vega, terra flores, rhizotonic, canazyme, boost and pk 13/14.

Canna provide an easy guide as to which nutrients to give and when to give them from veg to flower, step by step and easy to follow.


However i'm a picky buyer when i want results so i walked away and researched some advanced nutrients.. These guys seem to be the true pioneers? after watching a few videos and reading their maximizing yield and flavour like no other. However upon looking over the website all their products seem to be for the 'bloom/ flower' stages. Or i'm probably just reading it wrong.

Basically to cut it short. which nutrient range do you lovely people think is better? And if i were to buy advanced nutrients what products should i be buying for a full plant cycle veg and flower?

Thanks
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I think you need to look at the Advanced Nutrients site again and look at the bundles.

Yes, there are a lot of things you can do during the flowing stage to make sure your grow finishes strong, but if you don't have a solid growing stage, then everything you do afterward is like playing catchup.

Here's what you should use:

Base nutes: Grow-Micro-Bloom It's a three part system that's easy to adjust as you see how your plants react. I like the three part system better myself, but others like to simplify things and use something like Sensi A&B.

Either one is strong.

Then I would suggest using Bud Candy, at least, Big Bud if you can get it, Voodoo Juice, if you can, and Final Phase or Overdrive.

It's a bit of a chemistry experiment, sure, but AN has a number of guides and a nutrient calculator on their site to help you out. Or there are plenty of good growers on these boards than can help you with specifics.
 
hugetom80s

hugetom80s

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homebrewer said:
If any AN or canna users would like to post pics of their product, please do. I'll show you something better grown at a fraction of the cost :wink:.
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Apart from security, this is the main reason I don't post any pictures of my grows.

First off, there'd be no way to prove it was mine. Second, there'd be no way to prove the "better" picture belonged to whoever posted it, or that a particular nutrient was used to grow it.

C'mon guys, it's the Internet. "Mine's bigger than yours" is pointless here.


I've grown with a lot of different nutes, in soil, in hydro, outside, and inside. If I say that Advanced Nutrients works better than anything else I've tried I'm entitled to that opinion. If you believe you can do better, that's yours.

But some online e-peen measuring isn't going to prove either of us right, so I decline to participate.

For one thing, pictures don't show quality. Potency, taste, none of that. And they are at best, subjective. I've seen colas the size of footballs that were complete garbage. Great-looking crap, but crap.


I'm not saying anyone is gonna lie about their buds, but there isn't any way to know if someone did, right? Especially if one side has already stated that they're going to win beforehand. You came out and said that you'd show a better crop grown for less. Since you can't actually know what anyone else has grown, the only way to know you can back that claim up is if you have a method of winning that isn't burdened by fact.

Like I said, I'm not saying that you're not an honest guy. I've read your posts and you're clearly a cool guy and I'd say you totally believe what you say is the truth.

My point is simply that no one can know the outcome of a (pointless) contest beforehand unless the intention is to fix it. Since you wouldn't do that, you can't actually know.
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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hugetom80s said:
Apart from security, this is the main reason I don't post any pictures of my grows.

First off, there'd be no way to prove it was mine. Second, there'd be no way to prove the "better" picture belonged to whoever posted it, or that a particular nutrient was used to grow it.

C'mon guys, it's the Internet. "Mine's bigger than yours" is pointless here.


I've grown with a lot of different nutes, in soil, in hydro, outside, and inside. If I say that Advanced Nutrients works better than anything else I've tried I'm entitled to that opinion. If you believe you can do better, that's yours.

But some online e-peen measuring isn't going to prove either of us right, so I decline to participate.

For one thing, pictures don't show quality. Potency, taste, none of that. And they are at best, subjective. I've seen colas the size of footballs that were complete garbage. Great-looking crap, but crap.


I'm not saying anyone is gonna lie about their buds, but there isn't any way to know if someone did, right? Especially if one side has already stated that they're going to win beforehand. You came out and said that you'd show a better crop grown for less. Since you can't actually know what anyone else has grown, the only way to know you can back that claim up is if you have a method of winning that isn't burdened by fact.

Like I said, I'm not saying that you're not an honest guy. I've read your posts and you're clearly a cool guy and I'd say you totally believe what you say is the truth.

My point is simply that no one can know the outcome of a (pointless) contest beforehand unless the intention is to fix it. Since you wouldn't do that, you can't actually know.
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You're right that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when a poster posts solid pictures of buds soaked in resin, that says a lot and one can assume quality to a certain degree. I'm also skeptical of those who won't post pics. Words only go so far, especially when you're not actually giving any information pertaining to general plant nutrition ;).

So why don't you take this opportunity to snap some pics of your garden. Lets see how much better 'the rolls royce of nutrients' performs in comparison to some brands that have been around for 30 years. While you're at it, please explain to the OP why you got better results out of certain nutrients and lesser results out of others. Oh, be sure to back up your statements with information pertaining to plant nutrition. This is the sort of info newbies need and it could even earn you some much needed rep ;).
 
hugetom80s

hugetom80s

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It only says a lot about someone if you can somehow prove the pictures they post are their own. Is it likely? Sure. But certain? Hardly.

Just get over the fact that I don't post pictures. That's simply the way it is. I don't compromise my security and that's the end of it. I don't need to start now in order to prove myself to you because I don't base my self-image on how I think other people perceive me. I don't need to build up any "much needed rep" because in order for that to be true I would need a certain amount of rep.

Unfortunately for some, I can't be manipulated into compromising my values and security by appealing to some nebulous concept of rep because I have no emotional connection to how people online perceive me.


I'm not running some kind of grow lab here. I'm just growing for me and I come here to learn more and share what I've learned myself. If that's not good enough for some, that's completely fine with me. I do what I can and I have no problem accepting that in some cases nothing in my ability will please certain people. Why does Advanced Nutrients work better for me than anything else I've tried? I have lots of guesses but that's all they are. If I had the technical and scientific background to definitively answer that question I'd have the expertise to start my own nutrient line. I don't.

Might as well ask me why laundry soap A gets my clothes cleaner than laundry soap B. I can guess and say that soap A is made better, but I can't know for sure. Maybe it's simply a matter of the emulsifiers (or whatever) in soap A are simply better at cleaning the kind of stuff my clothes get dirty from and soap B would work better in a different situation.


So if you want to lure someone into a big Internet Fight, you'll need to find someone else. I'm not thick enough to try to win the un-win-able fight. The only possible outcome of this debate is both of us ending at the same place we're currently at: disagreement based upon personal anecdotal evidence. Since we're already here, I don't see any point on going on the journey to get here.
 
decrimCA

decrimCA

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hugetom80s said:
It only says a lot about someone if you can somehow prove the pictures they post are their own. Is it likely? Sure. But certain? Hardly.

Just get over the fact that I don't post pictures. That's simply the way it is. I don't compromise my security and that's the end of it. I don't need to start now in order to prove myself to you because I don't base my self-image on how I think other people perceive me. I don't need to build up any "much needed rep" because in order for that to be true I would need a certain amount of rep.

Unfortunately for some, I can't be manipulated into compromising my values and security by appealing to some nebulous concept of rep because I have no emotional connection to how people online perceive me.


I'm not running some kind of grow lab here. I'm just growing for me and I come here to learn more and share what I've learned myself. If that's not good enough for some, that's completely fine with me. I do what I can and I have no problem accepting that in some cases nothing in my ability will please certain people. Why does Advanced Nutrients work better for me than anything else I've tried? I have lots of guesses but that's all they are. If I had the technical and scientific background to definitively answer that question I'd have the expertise to start my own nutrient line. I don't.

Might as well ask me why laundry soap A gets my clothes cleaner than laundry soap B. I can guess and say that soap A is made better, but I can't know for sure. Maybe it's simply a matter of the emulsifiers (or whatever) in soap A are simply better at cleaning the kind of stuff my clothes get dirty from and soap B would work better in a different situation.


So if you want to lure someone into a big Internet Fight, you'll need to find someone else. I'm not thick enough to try to win the un-win-able fight. The only possible outcome of this debate is both of us ending at the same place we're currently at: disagreement based upon personal anecdotal evidence. Since we're already here, I don't see any point on going on the journey to get here.
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THANK YOU!!

You know, this needs to be posted as a part of the Terms of Service on boards.

*You can't believe everything you hear.*

You can't believe everything on these boards. Anyone can get pictures from the Internet, post them, and then talk about how awesome their buds are. Right.

While pictures are fun to look at, admittedly, I know they can't always be real. Truth be told, when you get a bunch of guys together, everyone wants to whip their out and show how big they are. I'd rather just hear from folks what their experiences have been.

(This argument reminds me of Craigslist postings where you see about a million pictures of guys' packages and chicks' racks. Do you trust those pictures too? LOL)

For me, I also don't post for security reasons. I just don't think I'm smart enough to get away with it. I would do something dumb and get caught. I don't want to get caught. I want to enjoy growing.

But there will always be people who want to be 'right' on these boards. As though they have all the answers. If they have all the answers, then start your own nute company or grow supplies company. If not, then just chill out, talk, and enjoy everyone's unique take on things.

I do.

Here's my truthful take: I like Advanced Nutrients. They work for me and they make me feel good about what me and my friends are smoking. And that's all that matters to me.

I could give a crap less what others think of me. I mean, I don't know anyone on these boards and they certainly don't know me. All I care about is helping other growers out and if I can help out just one person - or get an answer I can't figure out on my own - then it's worth it to me.

These sorts of arguments are not worth it at all.
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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hugetom80s said:
It only says a lot about someone if you can somehow prove the pictures they post are their own. Is it likely? Sure. But certain? Hardly.

Just get over the fact that I don't post pictures. That's simply the way it is. I don't compromise my security and that's the end of it. I don't need to start now in order to prove myself to you because I don't base my self-image on how I think other people perceive me. I don't need to build up any "much needed rep" because in order for that to be true I would need a certain amount of rep.

Unfortunately for some, I can't be manipulated into compromising my values and security by appealing to some nebulous concept of rep because I have no emotional connection to how people online perceive me.


I'm not running some kind of grow lab here. I'm just growing for me and I come here to learn more and share what I've learned myself. If that's not good enough for some, that's completely fine with me. I do what I can and I have no problem accepting that in some cases nothing in my ability will please certain people. Why does Advanced Nutrients work better for me than anything else I've tried? I have lots of guesses but that's all they are. If I had the technical and scientific background to definitively answer that question I'd have the expertise to start my own nutrient line. I don't.

Might as well ask me why laundry soap A gets my clothes cleaner than laundry soap B. I can guess and say that soap A is made better, but I can't know for sure. Maybe it's simply a matter of the emulsifiers (or whatever) in soap A are simply better at cleaning the kind of stuff my clothes get dirty from and soap B would work better in a different situation.


So if you want to lure someone into a big Internet Fight, you'll need to find someone else. I'm not thick enough to try to win the un-win-able fight. The only possible outcome of this debate is both of us ending at the same place we're currently at: disagreement based upon personal anecdotal evidence. Since we're already here, I don't see any point on going on the journey to get here.
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Did you really just compare soap to fertilizer? :lol:
 
withoutAchance

withoutAchance

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i cant say nothin about advance other than ive read my last nutrients wherent so advanced if you know what i mean quite a bit.

NOw for the canna Rhizo is quite good growers offten keep using it even if they trey a different maker

CannaZeme also very good never not used it so i cant tel you what life like with out it

Canna Boost spendy but works i use the lower dosage until week 4 them go higher and fiolar spray too

P/K 13/14 add when plant pause in bud phase completely stop around week 3 wait youll notice it then fire pk 13 14 and watch um take off again it cool

i use Canna coco and all the above product with great success and ease the feed schedule on there webpage is second to non mix is easy, if poosible ide suggest coco it soo easy and if you get draining pots or coco pots and grow trys you cant over water and with soil this is a big problem.

hope this help whats with all the bs
 
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lilman

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I grow with AN, I use sensi bloom, big bud, overdrive and bud candy. I grow Endless Sky from Dr green thumb in a 4x4 tent and my average yield if i dont fuck anything up is 22 to 24 dry OZs. There is nothing wrong with ANs line i only use 4 of their products and i get over a gram per watt in a stupid tent with a air cooled hood eating into my lumens. Im doing a comparison run between AN and house and garden right now to see if H and G can compete with ANs yield..im not worried about potency, Endless Sky can make u forget where your feet are lol.

Peace, Te lilman
 
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