Advanced Nutrients Ripping off GH and everyone else

if im not mistaken their old 3 part wasnt nearly as good, as to why they are probably remaking it and jacking GH's formula. could be wrong but i remember that being a turning point for me when i was interested in it, because it just didnt have enough in it like GH did.

Well hello AN haters, When I first started reading this thread I was going to defend AN, well cause I use AN. But that video of them looking for GH is ridiculous, while I think GH should have been there, its not right to do what they did. Its easy for me to disregard most opinions on here cause most are bias cause they either can't afford it or never tried it. That and they don't know really how AN is made compared to others. Id like to see proof that they water their products down, if a bottle has 5 percent of something, than it can't be watered down unless it has less than its said 5 %, am i right? Bigger bottles just mean more. Id also like to see a reliable comparison of AN with either GH or FF that gives specifics of what they use and how much including ppm. Anyone?

m420p said:

Id also like to see a reliable comparison of AN with either GH or FF that gives specifics of what they use and how much including ppm. Anyone?

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I used to use the GH 3-part and tested it against DynaGro last year, the comparison is in my signature. After that test, i switched to DG and recently tested it against AN's Connoisseur. In terms of yield and all things desirable when it comes to fertilizer performance, it pretty much goes likes this: DynaGro > GH > Advanced.

homebrewer said:

I used to use the GH 3-part and tested it against DynaGro last year, the comparison is in my signature. After that test, i switched to DG and recently tested it against AN's Connoisseur. In terms of yield and all things desirable when it comes to fertilizer performance, it pretty much goes likes this: DynaGro > GH > Advanced.

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Very Nice thread man! It sounds like none of it was bias for or against either one either. I've researched Dynagro before and almost got some but must of got hooked by AN advertising, which I'm a little embarrassed to say. I do have a few questions if you don't mind.

homebrewer said:

DynaGro for me has been a very trouble free nutrient to use in both dirt and hydro.

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This was a quote from you in your comparison thread, I was wondering how Dynagro worked in hydro cause I use DWC and I noticed they don't have separate nutes for soil and hydro? Like, yield compared to soil, potency, maybe any other comments that would help! I'd really appreciate it HB, rep on the way if you care!

People that want to hate Advanced Nutrients will always find a reason to hate Advanced Nutrients.

This is the way I see it:

People complain that AN sells "the same thing" as GH and charges more. Rawr! They mad! They hate! Rawr!

So Advanced Nutrients says "let's show people that if we actually copy GH and make the same thing they make, that we not only make it to better standards but we make it cheaper".

People complain that AN is "ripping off" GH. Rawr! They mad! They hate! Rawr!


C'mon, be reasonable. All Jungle Juice proves to me is that General Hydroponics is overcharging. If AN can make the same formula, improve on it slightly, and sell it for less what does that say about their other stuff? It says that it was never the same as GH's and it was enough better to warrant the extra cost (something my own experience confirms as true).


But haters are gonna hate.

m420p said:

Well hello AN haters, When I first started reading this thread I was going to defend AN, well cause I use AN. But that video of them looking for GH is ridiculous, while I think GH should have been there, its not right to do what they did. Its easy for me to disregard most opinions on here cause most are bias cause they either can't afford it or never tried it. That and they don't know really how AN is made compared to others. Id like to see proof that they water their products down, if a bottle has 5 percent of something, than it can't be watered down unless it has less than its said 5 %, am i right? Bigger bottles just mean more. Id also like to see a reliable comparison of AN with either GH or FF that gives specifics of what they use and how much including ppm. Anyone?

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well for one advanced nutrients themselves said its mainly RO water, if you also dont pay attention to their advertisement schemes like them circling the percentages youll notice how every bottle of GH is derived from way more than every bottle of ANs knock off. so how they claim its the same..? then why is every one of ANs version derived from less? well because its mainly water and its not the same concentration. so bottom line its not the same and they shouldnt be allowed to advertise that it is. sometimes i wish i was a lawyer because they could be getting their asses sued to shit right now. seriously.

sadly they bash GH way too much its just not that video, then they turn around and send emails to every AN user trying to make us believe they actually use GH 3 part?? by offering their recreation, its just a little wishy washy dont you think? they talk so much shit about GH now they are giving them credit once they have jacked their product? ok AN that makes so much sense.

honestly 3.72L of GH and 4L of ANs version really doesnt make any difference when you realize ANs bottle contains less, so of course they would give you more and of course they didnt bother circling the derived from...

i wouldnt have a single problem with them if they just stopped making absurd claims for every product they make as well talking shit like they do, i mean serioulsy every product description is like a freakin essay and im no fool i know the way they write is made to lure people in who dont know any better, they use very suggestive words all the time, notice how big mike constantly talks in suggestive themes its a type of business tactic and police use it as well and it almost always works no matter how its used.

m420p said:

Very Nice thread man! It sounds like none of it was bias for or against either one either. I've researched Dynagro before and almost got some but must of got hooked by AN advertising, which I'm a little embarrassed to say. I do have a few questions if you don't mind.

This was a quote from you in your comparison thread, I was wondering how Dynagro worked in hydro cause I use DWC and I noticed they don't have separate nutes for soil and hydro? Like, yield compared to soil, potency, maybe any other comments that would help! I'd really appreciate it HB, rep on the way if you care!

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When looking at the backs of the DG bottles, I'd almost assume it was formulated with hydro in mind as it supplies all 16 essential elements. If you're growing in soil, sometimes you're fine using a fertilizer that only supplies 7 or 8 different minerals as your soil is sometimes providing what your fertilizer is not. For me and others who are using it properly, DG performs incredibly well in hydro assuming your tap water isn't total garbage (above say 250ppm). When it comes to yields and DG, my limiting factor is my lighting, not the medium. So if you have the proper environment and good lighting, DG is great in dirt or hydro ( I originally tested it in hydro, then dirt. Based on it's performance in both mediums, it replaced both of my previous nutrient brands).

In regards to the thread topic, if AN's remarketed three part performs just like GH's 3 part, then that is a good nutrient to use and I'd recommend it over AN's sensi and Connoisseur lines. BUT, I not only ran a side-by-side test in my journal between DG and GH, but also continued side-by-side tests in order to use up the 5 gallons of GH base nutes that I still have sitting around. DG always out-yielded the 3-part formula and was easier to manage. So much so that the 3-part is now only used in my veggie garden outside.

hugetom80s said:

C'mon, be reasonable. All Jungle Juice proves to me is that General Hydroponics is overcharging. If AN can make the same formula, improve on it slightly, and sell it for less what does that say about their other stuff?

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AN did nothing to improve the formula as Urban Grower's video just pointed out with similar performance between the two brands. According to Amazon, Jungle Juice is still more expensive .


AN's One gallon prices:

Micro $39.99: http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Nutri...0488542&sr=8-1
Bloom $37.99: http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Nutri...0488542&sr=8-1
Grow $37.99: http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Nutri...0488542&sr=8-3


GenHydro's One gallon prices:

Micro $34: http://www.amazon.com/FloraMicro-1-G...0488796&sr=1-1
Bloom $30: http://www.amazon.com/FloraBloom-1-G.../dp/B000E1RPQC
Grow $31: http://www.amazon.com/FloraGro-1-Gal...0488917&sr=1-1

hugetom80s said:

People that want to hate Advanced Nutrients will always find a reason to hate Advanced Nutrients.

This is the way I see it:

People complain that AN sells "the same thing" as GH and charges more. Rawr! They mad! They hate! Rawr!

So Advanced Nutrients says "let's show people that if we actually copy GH and make the same thing they make, that we not only make it to better standards but we make it cheaper".

People complain that AN is "ripping off" GH. Rawr! They mad! They hate! Rawr!


C'mon, be reasonable. All Jungle Juice proves to me is that General Hydroponics is overcharging. If AN can make the same formula, improve on it slightly, and sell it for less what does that say about their other stuff? It says that it was never the same as GH's and it was enough better to warrant the extra cost (something my own experience confirms as true).


But haters are gonna hate.

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LOL super sad you fall exactly for what they want and you miss the point of almost every peson who uses their products, they are very unprofessional in they way they go about business. i know thousands of people love bud candy, but it doesnt have barely shit in it, why so many people live by something that makes all your bud have a similar taste i have no freaking clue, let alone all it has is barely anything and it sells in some stores for over 30$ a freaking sweetner and no its not a gallon either.

so where do you honestly think GH over charges for one GH doesnt carry nearly as many useless products like AN does, for example bud ignitor, wet betty and bud candy the only reason anyone ever buys it is mainly because of the picture and the name. they dont realize they can go to the store and buy black strap molasses for 5$ that does a hella of a better job than bud candy could ever dream of, on top of being organic and costing a fraction of the cost. most people should notice how almost every AN product expects you to buy another one just to suplement what they couldve added in it at first.

its just sad to see people like you so easily mislead, i dont hate, i dont appreciate.

the way they go about selling their products and trying to give themselves a good name, is childish and extremely misleading. them fighting with companies who have never had anything to say to them is just wrong also let alone they know most companies dont associate themselves with cannabis for good reasons, its a huge hassle to deal with.

but ive noticed anyone who uses the stupid slang term "haters gonna hate" really usually arent the best people to be starting conversations about anything with period. that saying is just moronic in itself, thats like me saying shitters gonna shit, eaters gonna eat, water gonna be water, popcorn gonna be popcorn, swimmers gonna swim... just retarded slang crap from idiotic wannabe lyricist...

homebrewer said:

AN did nothing to improve the formula as Urban Grower's video just pointed out with similar performance between the two brands. According to Amazon, Jungle Juice is still more expensive .


AN's One gallon prices:

Micro $39.99: http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Nutri...0488542&sr=8-1
Bloom $37.99: http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Nutri...0488542&sr=8-1
Grow $37.99: http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Nutri...0488542&sr=8-3


GenHydro's One gallon prices:

Micro $34: http://www.amazon.com/FloraMicro-1-G...0488796&sr=1-1
Bloom $30: http://www.amazon.com/FloraBloom-1-G.../dp/B000E1RPQC
Grow $31: http://www.amazon.com/FloraGro-1-Gal...0488917&sr=1-1

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enough said, their claims are garbage almost all of them.

all this goodness coming from Dynagro gives me the urge to try it out next grow. first time ive really heard about it this much honestly. you got some legit tests that are proving its well worth the talk.

homebrewer said:

When looking at the backs of the DG bottles, I'd almost assume it was formulated with hydro in mind as it supplies all 16 essential elements. If you're growing in soil, sometimes you're fine using a fertilizer that only supplies 7 or 8 different minerals as your soil is sometimes providing what your fertilizer is not. For me and others who are using it properly, DG performs incredibly well in hydro assuming your tap water isn't total garbage (above say 250ppm). When it comes to yields and DG, my limiting factor is my lighting, not the medium. So if you have the proper environment and good lighting, DG is great in dirt or hydro ( I originally tested it in hydro, then dirt. Based on it's performance in both mediums, it replaced both of my previous nutrient brands).

In regards to the thread topic, if AN's remarketed three part performs just like GH's 3 part, then that is a good nutrient to use and I'd recommend it over AN's sensi and Connoisseur lines. BUT, I not only ran a side-by-side test in my journal between DG and GH, but also continued side-by-side tests in order to use up the 5 gallons of GH base nutes that I still have sitting around. DG always out-yielded the 3-part formula and was easier to manage. So much so that the 3-part is now only used in my veggie garden outside.

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Thank You very much HB! I'm going to use up the rest of the AN I got and then switch over to Dynagro, you've been very helpful!

im not really found of AN myself but one thing thats got me stumped is why is AN's ph up and down so gud. works way better than GH

MrStickyScissors said:

im not really found of AN myself but one thing thats got me stumped is why is AN's ph up and down so gud. works way better than GH

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LOL yea i use their Ph up and down also. funny but i mean its not a key selling point for me Ph up and down i mean you can buy any Ph up and down and it will do pretty much the same, i really never had that much trouble using the GH ones either its just that i havent burned through the bottle of Ph from AN for some years now.

metamorphy said:

honestly 3.72L of GH and 4L of ANs version really doesnt make any difference when you realize ANs bottle contains less, so of course they would give you more and of course they didnt bother circling the derived from...

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Good point!

I wanna punch Remo in his chubby Tom Selleck looking face.

thanks for the info 96

Just bought all the advanced nutes line up plus the grand master range and reading this i think ive made a mistake lets hope not...

well this thread is really not about making mistakes, its more about teaching people the AN is in fact a bit crooked with their business advertisements and how they suggest their products actually work. sadly if you bought almost the whole line you are going to come across tons of useless products you arent going to be pleased you spent so much money on.

i dont know why everyone always complains about other companies being so expensive, anytime i need anything at the hydro store AN has the most expensive crap there.. bottom line always.

just to add to how shady they are, i came across another video of them once again attempting to slander a company and mislead people just because they arent willing to talk about cannabis even though the guy clearly said we are at the THC expo because we support all types of plants.. its just really upsetting to keep watching so many of these videos they put up and people are willing to support so stupidly.. some poeple really dont deserve to grow cannabis.. im just sick and tired of AN trying to brain wash everyone into believing they are the only nutrient in the world to use for growing cannabis.. best part is you know that guy came from AN asking the questions.. how do you know? whats AN favorite insult to use on people the "Tomato" insult.. personally i love growing tomatoes so i dont understand why they think products that can grow good tomatoes are horrible or something.. anyway im sure anyone with common sense can tell that wasnt just some random person asking questions..

[video=youtube;OBezm8PrM2Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBezm8PrM2Q[/video]

Pureblood89 said:

I wanna punch Remo in his chubby Tom Selleck looking face.

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meh my biggest gripe is big mike hands down that guy makes my stomach turn anytime i hear him speak in any ad.

personally i have respect for remo, he is just doing his job. he himself has never really insulted any other companies that i can find. so i can respect that. of course he is doing his job trying to sell the stuff.. maybe there are some videos i missed that he has but mainly he has been a pretty helpful guy for a lot of people, so like i said i do appreciate that aspect. i just do not like big mike at all anymore and i do not like AN's tactics for marketing.

another stunning example of why big mike is so full of shit all the time. the first time i saw this first thing that came to mind was late night informercial.

http://www.growersunderground.com/

haha best part about it was i was emailed that by AN and i signed up thinking why not get some awesome grow tips from professionals. well the only tip ive gotten since i signed up for that crap was to buy AN lol, it was such a useless read and literally told you nothing you didnt already know that wasnt basic knowledge a 4th grader would know about.

people just cant come into this thread thinking we all absolutely dispise anything AN makes, its just most of us have realized it is by no means right what they are doing and that they are the only company that goes around carrying such a negative outlook on anything they dont own or are secretly supported by like house and garden.