ADVANCED NUTRIENTS Organic Veg. Help!!!

I have Iguana Juice, Mother Earth Super Tea, F1, H2, Carboload, Organic B, Voodoo Juice, Piranha, Tarantula, and Hygrozym.

I'm just not totally sure as to which products to use at which weeks and at what amounts. The bottles and the charts have almost totally different values which is so confusing. Was wondering if anyone has any experience using these products in veg? Would really appreciate the help

http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/calc/

Advanced Nutrients calculator. 2 second google search. HTH

RLH said:

http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/calc/

Advanced Nutrients calculator. 2 second google search. HTH

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Like I said, the calculator has different amounts to the bottles. And if you follow the directed amounts on the calculator you might end up with around twice the desired nutrient strength.

So i'm lookin for someone with experience, who knows how to give and take with the amount of nutrients

Use them at 1/8 what the calc. says..then the next watering try 1/4 and see if they get burnt.Once you come to a tad burning back off and you know what you should be at and what they like.

Higher Medz said:

I have Iguana Juice, Mother Earth Super Tea, F1, H2, Carboload, Organic B, Voodoo Juice, Piranha, Tarantula, and Hygrozym.

I'm just not totally sure as to which products to use at which weeks and at what amounts. The bottles and the charts have almost totally different values which is so confusing. Was wondering if anyone has any experience using these products in veg? Would really appreciate the help

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Yeah, the Advanced Nutrients calculator is a little tricky at first. But I've found that using about 25% less is a good way to get the right amount and if your plants are happy, you can always add more.

Are your plants responding well to iguana juice?Have you ever used any other of the base from advanced such as micro grow and bloom?

You paid a lot for this grow! I hope it works out as advertised. I didn't think so when I tried ANs organic offerings. Thats some expensive fish juice!

I think all you need for a good organic veg is some fish hydrolysate and maybe a high quality kelp with a compost tea applied every couple weeks. Most commonly available organic base nutes are fish based if you examine their ingredients.

Higher Medz said:

I have Iguana Juice, Mother Earth Super Tea, F1, H2, Carboload, Organic B, Voodoo Juice, Piranha, Tarantula, and Hygrozym.

I'm just not totally sure as to which products to use at which weeks and at what amounts. The bottles and the charts have almost totally different values which is so confusing. Was wondering if anyone has any experience using these products in veg? Would really appreciate the help

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If you want to be safe, just go with whichever one has the lower mixing rate, cut that to a third or a fourth, and start there. Work your way up as you go.

This is a good line up for organic growing, I did a grow about two years ago I think that was pretty similar on the nute lineup. I didn't have the Hygrozym and I don't think I had CarboLoad, but other than that I think it was what you have listed. I think you'll be really pleased. I went back to synthetics after that grow, I just personally find that when properly flushed and cured the synthetics are just as good as organic and I seem to get better yields but that could just be me.

If you want to go organic this is definitely a good way to do it though. You can call the 800 number on the bottles to get answers to your questions too, if it's something you don't want to wait on the forums for. I usually don't have the patience to wait for people to respond.

hugetom80s said:

This is a good line up for organic growing, I did a grow about two years ago I think that was pretty similar on the nute lineup. I didn't have the Hygrozym and I don't think I had CarboLoad, but other than that I think it was what you have listed. I think you'll be really pleased. I went back to synthetics after that grow, I just personally find that when properly flushed and cured the synthetics are just as good as organic and I seem to get better yields but that could just be me.

If you want to go organic this is definitely a good way to do it though. You can call the 800 number on the bottles to get answers to your questions too, if it's something you don't want to wait on the forums for. I usually don't have the patience to wait for people to respond.

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I'm going to have to disagree on the grounds that none of these products are even organic except for the Tarantula. They may be organic-based, but they are still synthetic nutes.

I used Iguana juice, Mother Earth Super Tea, F1, H2, Bud Candy, Organic B, Voodoo Juice, Tarantula, Bud Factor X, and Bud Ignitor...with decent results and a very poor taste. Bud Ignitor made White Widow's start flowering 5 days after I flipped them, but I don't think that's one of the nutes they are trying to play off as organic. The Bud Candy didn't do anything, but the bottle sure does look cool. Potheads LOVE cotton candy right?

And all the other products were WAY overpriced, aside from not even being organic. So if you're going to use AN...might as well just use synthetic and not waste the extra money. Which is what it sounds like you did anyways.

i use only the iguana juice and add guano. iguana juice is your base line, and add additives to it from there, the supertea is a fucking joke, i bought a gallon a while back and ended up using it to feed my trees. iguana juice is ok but i only buy it for the amino chain which is now available from age old as optimize.. adding optize or iguana juice to budswell and you got gold. voodoos nice and tarantula is good too, any b vitamin they make is great, but other than that i would use anything else.

pre made teas are a HUGE waste of your $$$ all the microbes are dead. ALL OF THEM. so why would you want to feed them corpses? you use the iguana juice and add your guano to it in a tea. brewing tea yourself gives the best results.

an yeilds good results. their products are concentrated more than most(money saver how many gallons of water do you get out of other nutes?) and people who have problems with them are either inexperienced or use the products improperly. you will be fine iguana is the only thing adding npk to your solution use as directed all AN is now 2ml per liter... not a AN rep or anything i dont even use their whole line right now but i have seen the results and they are awesome. would like to seee how it goes for ya!

+ WitchDoctor + said:

I'm going to have to disagree on the grounds that none of these products are even organic except for the Tarantula. They may be organic-based, but they are still synthetic nutes.

I used Iguana juice, Mother Earth Super Tea, F1, H2, Bud Candy, Organic B, Voodoo Juice, Tarantula, Bud Factor X, and Bud Ignitor...with decent results and a very poor taste. Bud Ignitor made White Widow's start flowering 5 days after I flipped them, but I don't think that's one of the nutes they are trying to play off as organic. The Bud Candy didn't do anything, but the bottle sure does look cool. Potheads LOVE cotton candy right?

And all the other products were WAY overpriced, aside from not even being organic. So if you're going to use AN...might as well just use synthetic and not waste the extra money. Which is what it sounds like you did anyways.

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^they grow the bacteria and put them in RO water lol how is that not organic... tarantula, voodoo, pirahana i recently switched to over great white and will now never by great white if you compare labels AN has more diversity this is probably the difference that im seeing in my rootzone... hygrozyme is good but sensizyme has 80 enzymes instead of 1 probably better buy and you get more out of the bottle(concentrated).. What is your medium?

Iguana Juice 1 liter $38.65 Bio Canna $28.99 The difference? Price, quality, and Bio Canna is OMRI (that means organic ) Ever smell Bio Canna nutes?

Nirvana 1 liter $28.99 "It contains powerful natural bloom enhancers including vitamins, amino acids, humic acid, carbohydrates, minerals, growth enhancers, guano, seaweeds, and other exclusive crop-boosting organic materials."

So if Nirvana really has all that stuff in it, then why do they sell a separate amino acid product (organic B), 2 humic fulvic products (F1 and H1), a carbohydrate product (carbo load), tons of liquid guano products, etc.?

Organic B $35.25 (this is one of their better products, but still not half as good as Thrive Alive...and thrive alive is actually organic.) Thrive Alive $44.45

wait a minute, the organic B is actually cheaper...oh yea, that's because you use 20ml per gallon lol. I thought you said their products are more concentrated than most?

Then there's VooDoo Juice $78....that's for the roots right?........General Organics Bio Root (not omri, but still more organic than VooDoo) $18.99

F1 and H2 (you need both with AN) $27.95 each..............GO Diamond Black $18.99

I don't have time to do the rest of their products...sorry. And I mean no offense by the way, this is just the way it is.

Advanced Nutrients is the Monsanto of the cannabis world basically. They are a terrible company that lies to their customers. ALL their products got pulled off the shelves in Oregon because they tested the ingredients and they were all lies. Look it up. They put all their money into advertising to get new young growers to buy their products.

Oh, and as far as your argument about them being organic, you need to learn what "organic" means. They're organic line is almost all synthetic, it's just organic based.

If I buy a GMO tomato from Kroger that was grown with chemicals and sprayed with 63 different pesticides, is it still organic because it's a tomato and it "grew"? No, because that's not what organic means.

Here's a link to OMRI if you wanna check it out. http://www.co.lake.ca.us/Assets/BOS/GE+Crops+Committee/OMRI+Standards+Manual.pdf

+ WitchDoctor + said:

I'm going to have to disagree on the grounds that none of these products are even organic except for the Tarantula. They may be organic-based, but they are still synthetic nutes.

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And we should just take your word for that because... you want to sell us different nutes? If they weren't actually organic, wouldn't someone with a bit more authority than some guy on a forum be doing something about it?

+ WitchDoctor + said:

Bio Canna is OMRI (that means organic )

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Actually, that just means someone certified it as being organic. Usually that means it is also organic but not always.
http://www.rosebudmag.com/truth-squad/organic-testing-standards-certified-health

The absence of OMRI certification doesn't mean something isn't organic, either. It just means OMRI wasn't paid a ton of money to rubberstamp it.

+ WitchDoctor + said:

Ever smell Bio Canna nutes?

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What's your point? You can determine whether something is organic or not just by smell?
Not buying it.

+ WitchDoctor + said:

Nirvana 1 liter $28.99 "It contains powerful natural bloom enhancers including vitamins, amino acids, humic acid, carbohydrates, minerals, growth enhancers, guano, seaweeds, and other exclusive crop-boosting organic materials."

So if Nirvana really has all that stuff in it, then why do they sell a separate amino acid product (organic B), 2 humic fulvic products (F1 and H1), a carbohydrate product (carbo load), tons of liquid guano products, etc.?

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Probably for the same reason they have more than one base nutrient line. To give customers options. No one says you have to buy everything.

+ WitchDoctor + said:

Advanced Nutrients is the Monsanto of the cannabis world basically. They are a terrible company that lies to their customers. ALL their products got pulled off the shelves in Oregon because they tested the ingredients and they were all lies. Look it up. They put all their money into advertising to get new young growers to buy their products.

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This is the agricultural equivalent of Godwin's Law. It's a really poor comparison anyway, since Monsanto is a massive company worth billions of dollars and a giant among its peers, while Advanced Nutrients is much smaller, smaller than many/most of its peers, and doesn't have anything to do with genetic engineering (which is the hot-button issue associated with Monsanto). It's pure sensationalism designed to evoke a particular knee-jerk response without having to work at proving a point.

You say they're a terrible company that lies to their customers. But you don't prove it.

The Oregon thing was politics, plain and simple. Labeling laws are antiquated and backed up by the truly evil ag companies like Monsanto that want to keep the little guys out of the market. But really it had a lot more to do with AN being pro-MMJ than anything else. Just look at the chain of events: first AN gets Kushie Kush approved by the state of Oregon as a MMJ-specific plant nutrient. Then it gets out that Oregon actually approved a plant nutrient specifically intended for MMJ. Some politician flips his lid, makes a bunch of phone calls and next thing you know AN has half their line suddenly "unapproved" for whatever reasons they can make up.

It's the same government BS that we see everywhere. Half the government wants to throw you in jail if you grow, the other half is making jokes about it on TV (and doing nothing to the other half if you get thrown in jail).

It has nothing to do with what's in the bottle or what's on the label. It's politics. Advanced Nutrients sticks up for growers and a lot of politicians hate that. It doesn't help that when the government tried to crush AN years ago they weren't able to make anything stick.

Don't buy into the government's BS. If you're gonna believe the BS the Oregon govt tries to sell you why not believe in the war on drugs and Reefer Madness?

I'm going to start a "law" about people that bring up Godwin's Law every time they can't handle someone telling them how things are. I meant no offense to you, I simply said I disagree with you. Wasn't asking for a personal attack, but I'll attempt to answer your questions.

More than a guy on a forum? I thought Oregon was more than a guy on a forum? lol. And is that a serious statement? Talk about knee jerk...And that's why we have certifications like OMRI. So that we know if products are organic. How much do you think it costs for an OMRI label lol, it's not expensive, especially for the biggest nute company in the country right.

So how come Tarantula has the OMRI label and none of their other products do? Seriously. Why, and a real answer if you're gonna reply, not some more bullshit about how I'm brainwashed by the government lol. If I was under the influence of Reefer Madness I'd be eating TV dinners in front of the TV talking about how much I hate minorities...

Sell nutrients? You pretty much lost me right there man as far as the respect issue lol. Look at my posts. All I do is go around making DIYs and answering people's questions. I'm into the TRUTH man, that's all. If you don't like the information I'm providing, you don't have to listen to it. That simple.

You said it was a good organic line, and it's not organic. You already know about the mislabeling in Oregon and you just made a bunch of shitty excuses for AN instead of taking in the facts. I'll quote you..

hugetom80s said:

The Oregon thing was politics, plain and simple. Labeling laws are antiquated and backed up by the truly evil ag companies like Monsanto that want to keep the little guys out of the market. But really it had a lot more to do with AN being pro-MMJ than anything else. Just look at the chain of events: first AN gets Kushie Kush approved by the state of Oregon as a MMJ-specific plant nutrient. Then it gets out that Oregon actually approved a plant nutrient specifically intended for MMJ. Some politician flips his lid, makes a bunch of phone calls and next thing you know AN has half their line suddenly "unapproved" for whatever reasons they can make up.

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You're totally quoting AN's same garbage about how Oregon approved a cannabis only product blah blah, Oregon didn't "approve" anything, AN just started saying that garbage, so when Oregon found out, they tested Advanced Nutrients bottles right off the shelves...you understand what mislabeling is right? Most of the bottles didn't have even close to what they said was in them, and some of them lacked the ingredients all together.

Here's all your proof...http://www.oregon.gov/ODA/PEST/stopsales.shtml

And they don't have Nirvana to give customers options lol, is that your excuse for them selling humic and fulvic in two separate bottles? lol. So that people have the option to spend money on two expensive products when they only need one? They tell you to use Nirvana with other products that contain the same supposed ingredients. I'm not saying it's not a decent product. I'm saying, if it has all that stuff, why do you need to use 10 or more other bottles? And I'm saying it's not organic, but organic based.

And what the hell are you talking about with Oregon's government lol. Maybe you haven't heard of OCTA 2012, but Oregon State is not only pretty much the organic standard in this country, it's more fucking Cannabis friendly that California probably.

If anyone's buying into propaganda, it's not me man. And for the record, I've used AN for a whole grow. I got good yields. But I didn't like the taste, and I had TONS of salt build-up.....WAIT A MINUTE...ORGANICS DON'T BUILD UP SALT...I guess there's your sign huh?

And how the hell does AN stick up for growers?????? Are sure you're not selling something? You work for AN? lol.

After that grow I did I sent back about $900 worth out of the $1600 worth of products that I didn't like and wasn't satisfied with back to AN for their 100% MONEY BACK GUARANTEE, you know, the one they have for the customers they stick up for. And I had to pay over $70 shipping out of my own pocket because I sent the bottles back full instead of draining half of them out, because I wasn't returning them for free nutes, I was returning them because I was disgusted with them. I still liked some of their other products, so I didn't return them all. That was before I started growing completely organic of course

I've been waiting over 9 months, with no refund, and I'm out an extra $70...so if you work for them maybe you could put in a word for me? lol.

Oh, and to anybody else, I'm not looking to spend another hour or two arguing with people about whether or not AN is organic or a rip off or whatever. I provided what I feel to be valuable information to the Cannabis community, if you don't like it don't take it. But dont hate, ok? Lol.

• A Letter to Advanced Nutrients from The Oregon Department of Agriculture:
  

  “June 17, 2010
  ADVANCED NUTRIENTS
  
  Oregon Department of Agriculture
  635 Capitol Street NE
  Salem, OR 97301-2532
  Sent by Certified Mail
  NOTICE OF NONCOMPLIANCE:
  A recent Advanced Nutrients PR release titled, "Hydroponics Nutrients for Medical
  marijuana Gain Government Approval" (http://www.prnewswire.com/
  news-releases/hydroponics-nutrients-for-medical-marijuana-gain-government-approval-95489084.html), with the company contact specified as Michael Straumietis, contains false and misleading claims concerning Advanced Nutrients products.
  As I explained in a letter of February 23, 2010, to Advanced Nutrients, "labeling" means any printed or verbal representation used to promote the sale of any fertilizer,
  agricultural mineral, agricultural amendment or lime product. Labeling includes, but is not limited to: sales presentations, brochures, posters, websites, printed advertisements, radio and television advertisements [ORS 633.311 (14)]. Press releases are a form of labeling.
  Oregon statute [ORS 633.366(2)(a)] considers a product mislabeled if the label or
  labeling is "false, misleading or deceptive." Using Webster's Third New International
  Dictionary as a guide, a claim is misleading if it, "lead in a wrong direction or into a
  mistaken action or belief." Further, in identifying "mislead" as a synonym to "deceive" the dictionary states that "mislead" "indicates a causing to fall into error of some sort,
  intentionally or not." Products with labels or labeling using terms or claims that may
  mislead a consumer are mislabeled, and prohibited under Oregon law.
  1) This press release states, " .. . Oregon regulators have given first-ever official US approval to a brand of medical marijuana hydroponics nutrients ... "
  The online version of the Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines approve as "to have or
  express a favorable opinion of." Product registration means a product has met the
  minimum requirements for sale or distribution in Oregon. No opinion, favorable or
  otherwise, is expressed or implied. This statement, which applies to the entire
  Advanced Nutrients brand, is false and misleading.
  2) This press release states, " . . . Oregon regulators have given first-ever official US
  approval to a brand of medical marijuana hydroponics nutrients ... " In fact, Oregon
  has registered two Advanced Nutrients products with label claims stating the product
  is for the production of medical marijuana. Individual products are registered for sale
  or distribution , not brands. This claim, which applies to the entire Advanced Nutrients brand, is misleading.
  3) The press release stated, "Until Straumietis asked regulators to evaluate the medical marijuana effectiveness and safety of Advanced Nutrients hydroponics formulas, regulators nationwide had apparently never considered how hydroponics nutrients specifically affect medical marijuana crops."
  To date, Oregon has not received a request from Mr. Straumietis to "evaluate the
  medical marijuana effectiveness and safety of Advanced Nutrients hydroponics
  formulas .... " This labeling claim is false, and all "Advanced Nutrients hydroponic
  formulas" may be considered mislabeled.
  4) This press release stated, "Until Straumietis asked regulators to evaluate the medical marijuana effectiveness and safety of Advanced Nutrients hydroponics formulas , regulators nationwide had apparently never considered how hydroponics nutrients specifically affect medical marijuana crops."
  This claim, that a state agency, which might be considered as an independent
  evaluator, has evaluated and approved the safety of these products to produce
  medical marijuana is false. This claim is also particularly disturbing, as it appears to be targeted to mislead a particularly vulnerable population, medical patients who have turned to medical marijuana in hope of some relief of their symptoms.
  The claim that Oregon, the state referred to in the PR release, has evaluated the
  effectiveness and safety of Advanced Nutrients hydroponics for use in the production of medical marijuana is false and misleading, and all "Advanced Nutrients hydroponic formulas" may be considered mislabeled…..
  Don Wolf
  Fertilizer Program Specialist
  Oregon Department of Agriculture
  503-986-4587
  Fax: (503) 986-4735
  For more information visit our website:
  oregon.gov/ODAIPEST/fertilizer.shtml”
  [End Quote]

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i have talked to a rep i personally know i will be back with a long winded explanation for you!

WitchDoctor is TELLING IT LIKE IT IS! Hang around the organics forum (and the growing community in general) for a bit longer and you too can become enlightened and not be ripped off by bamboozlers selling flashy labeled redundant knock offs of everyone else's hot selling products. The whole indoor gardening retail industry IS dedicated to cannabis (not just the few companies that come out and say it). AN has duped many trained young consumers, WitchDoctor is trying to help educate the masses here! Listen to him and your meds will taste better and be cheaper to produce. WE should capitalize off our hard work not THEM!

Thanks Kalyx. Everyone figures it out sooner or later. Almost everyone. There are much better and cheaper and actually organic ways to get big yields, not that AN doesn't accomplish that goal.

connoisseurde420 said:

i have talked to a rep i personally know i will be back with a long winded explanation for you!

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I welcome debate, as long as it's friendly. But before you just relay all the information that the rep gives to you back to me, I encourage you to do your own research and fact check what the rep tells you. You may be surprised.

When I tried out AN's organic line I knew that it was over priced, and I knew that I was mostly paying for advertising...but you can't argue with the yields. But the reason I sent half of it back was because they lied about the products being organic. If I wanted huge yields that are not organic, I can save myself some money and grow hydro for like $10 an oz. I want organic yields or however much I can squeeze out of each strain without affecting the quality. I want "compost teas" that are made from compost that cost me less than 50 cents for 25 gallons of tea, not a $30 bottle of dead microbes.

I wanted my bud to taste like candy lmfao...ever actually try that product? My bud tastes like candy now, but that's because my teas smell so sweet.

im using grow micro bloom with rhino skin b52 and voodoo juice, the advanced line is made to where you can stack 1 bundle on top of another , the calculator is accurate for mature plants but you have to go easy on them to see what they like, I had some early problems take a look

the first few are from last week then the last 3 today last 1 is 1 of 4 jack cleaners the rest are albert walkers, i had severe stem and leaf twisting , seams i let the nutrient solution get to warm, and other prob was my lights are not on timers so the axact time for on and off was off by up to 15 20 min a day causing stress, im back on 24/0 to get these babies vegging

witchdoctor yes always friendly and looking to expand my knowledege base at all times. but there are flaws in many of the things you are saying. i have grown organically with homemade teas bactierial/fungal dominated read thru teaming with microbes many times, made my own supersoil before subcool came out with his. I experiment all over the place and i agree that using all synthetic leaves a taste/smell not equal to my organic grows but there is blend im working on to compare differences and at this point im not seeing a diffference.. To many peoples here dismay many of the cannabis cup winning entries have been grown with advanced dont have to belive it but i know this for fact before talking to the rep. there have been many organiclly grown things to win cup (soma, and i followed his book to the T on several grows before).
About organic certification. I have read your little link many times before been there done that like i said information feeds my life. In saying that there is a very large list of chemicals that could be sprayed and used on in and around the crops being sold as OMRI so our weed is probably the cleanest thing going in to our bodies lol...In addition I had the eternal question about all these products that say organic but no OMRI on the bottle so after investigation with local farms that produce organic crops and are certified i have found that many of these products use preservative to keep them from going bad and this will keep them from getting certified. THis is the case with many ferts. but anything purely organic is going to rot with heat or short time as you may know with teas or anything in your fridge shit is cold and still molding up! so if you go buy organic certified nutes there will be a date on them for usully within the year more likely only several months but that depends on where you are located and what your are buying..it makes more biz sense to sacrafice a label of organic ness to add something that will keep your product good for longer without comprimising the user or product.

+ WitchDoctor + said:

Iguana Juice 1 liter $38.65 Bio Canna $28.99 The difference? Price, quality, and Bio Canna is OMRI (that means organic ) Ever smell Bio Canna nutes?

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the rep actually told me canna is the safest to use on something you ingest and i have long believed this but they are hard to find at all hydro store leaving alot of people buying online which can be awfully inconvenient for numerous security reason. so yes there is a 10 dollar difference in price but you use 7.5ml / gal for ALL AN products if you buy new stock off the shelf and canna you use 19ml / gal thats over twice as much for a third the price

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Nirvana 1 liter $28.99 "It contains powerful natural bloom enhancers including vitamins, amino acids, humic acid, carbohydrates, minerals, growth enhancers, guano, seaweeds, and other exclusive crop-boosting organic materials."

So if Nirvana really has all that stuff in it, then why do they sell a separate amino acid product (organic B), 2 humic fulvic products (F1 and H1), a carbohydrate product (carbo load), tons of liquid guano products, etc.?

Organic B $35.25 (this is one of their better products, but still not half as good as Thrive Alive...and thrive alive is actually organic.) Thrive Alive $44.45

wait a minute, the organic B is actually cheaper...oh yea, that's because you use 20ml per gallon lol. I thought you said their products are more concentrated than most?

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^^thrive alive although it is organic... you use the same exact amount as AN 2ml per liter but its cheaper lol! and carboload feeds your microbes and adds strength to the cell walls = less staking and harder for bugs to bite in to

+ WitchDoctor + said:

Then there's VooDoo Juice $78....that's for the roots right?........General Organics Bio Root (not omri, but still more organic than VooDoo) $18.99

F1 and H2 (you need both with AN) $27.95 each..............GO Diamond Black $18.99

I don't have time to do the rest of their products...sorry. And I mean no offense by the way, this is just the way it is.

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how do you know that bioroot is 'more' organic? they are completely different products not to mention. better to compare bioroot to b52 or organic b. bio root you will use all the time where as voodoo piranha and tarantula use only every two weeks and those you could compare to great white but better cause they offer more diversity which is very very important. diamond black has only humic, no fulvic which is illegal to sell for some reason so no one who is using it will label but i seriously dont think anyone else has it in their program am i wrong?

+ WitchDoctor + said:

Advanced Nutrients is the Monsanto of the cannabis world basically. They are a terrible company that lies to their customers. ALL their products got pulled off the shelves in Oregon because they tested the ingredients and they were all lies. Look it up. They put all their money into advertising to get new young growers to buy their products.

Oh, and as far as your argument about them being organic, you need to learn what "organic" means. They're organic
line is almost all synthetic, it's just organic based.

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^^ monsanto? thats stretching it a bit but i see what you saying they have their similarities. we must all realize that anything cannabis related is targeted by the people who dont want to see it legal they take all routes to make this happen ie chong, other entertainers, hydroshops, taking out the biggest nutrient line is a big deal for someone in politics of oregon im sure i could find some if i did research. AN...they do lie i realize this. but. after understanding the entire situation i see why they do it. beacuse it works. really that simple. all companies do this to some degree im sure not everything is on the label so not everything is in the open for any manufacturer of nutrients unless certified organic then they just write down the limited number of chemicals that they are allowed to use lol with the organic methods that they use. couple of notes about AN products.. overdrive has a hormone that keeps the plant flowering instead of finishing up to make it yeild more.. is it controversial? yes does it work? yes. does it affect quality? havent tested personally but have tasted whole AN line on a crop (using connoisseur base) and was very nice only lacking smell (it was strong smelling but differernt not as fruity or depth of smell is lost) in my opinion but still pulling 60 eigth in california to adults who normally get 40-50 dollar eights so idk lol. bud factor x is supposed to raise smell and thc% it has a stress hormone already present in the plant that gets released when plant is under stress (cant remember the name but dont make look it up i will!!) the plants response to stress is resin to protect itself havent tested to see but i will know in next couple crops whats up. ever heard of people smacking their plants or doing wierd things to stress their plants for more frosty buds?? well they put it in a bottle so you dont have to smack your girls around. bud candy idk cant remember that one but as for the hormones they arent legal or something also so they are not on the bottle but if you ask certain people in person they will let you know whats up. what im getting from my reasearch is that if you use an organic base and touch on some of these other products you dont comprimise your quality and get better yeild. who here is getting 17+ ozs from their 400watts? i could do that with several medium yeilding strains ie white widow, bullrider, probbably any thing but small yeilders like ogs and we cant compare quality in person unfortunately cause that would solve the debate on the spot. but pictures will have to do...


looks like you need to learn how to research... before spouting off about others peoples knowledge. we need facts