Advanced Nutrients Calculator sucks...

OK, so I'm trying to figure out a good feeding schedule for my upcoming Hydro grow and as the title states the calculator on AN's website sucks and doesn't even have monkey juice as an option. I am going to use Advanced Nutrients considering my budget is large enough to account for the higher cost and quality is my #1 goal. I am hoping I can just list my base ferts and enhancers and someone with experience can help me decide on a 3 week veg feeding schedule as well as an 8 week feeding schedule for flowering.

AN Ferts include:

Monkey Juice Bloom "A&B" (for veg and bloom)
Nirvana
Overdrive
Bud Candy
Voodoo Juice
Rhino Skin
Final Phase

The Grow system will be a 24" x 44" ebb & flow table w/ 40 gallon reservoir flooding 2 times daily(+ or -). 15 plants in 8" smart pots filled with coco coir. Environment will be a Growlab 80L, 600 watt Quantum digi with Hortilux, 6" cooltube, 6" active air fan, 6" filter. lots more details but I'll save them for the grow journal.

Oh, I am looking for a medium to slightly heavy feeding schedule. I used an ebb & flow system years ago with lots of success, I just don't have the knowledge of AN and won't go back to 100% organic until I have my own house, I just can't stand the mess in the apt. I am trying to keep my fert cost to under $300, however if anyone has any ideas on my chioces of ferts please feel free to let me know whats up, although I think I picked a damn fine selection .

OH and I also plan on using Jumpstart for clones, should I use it along with something else or just keep it simple with the Jumpstart?

Seriously nothing??? someone has got to have something...

Advance Nutrients calculator is pimp sir, just because they dont have a schedule including your 100% organic shit, doesnt mean its actually shit. Anyways, just use jumpstart, I have been using the AN line for awhile with nothing but better result from each cycle. Jumpstart is a high in B vitamin combo that does about everything it needs to for clones(even better for seedlings I find) minus being an actual cloning agent.

MonstroniuM said:

Advance Nutrients calculator is pimp sir, just because they dont have a schedule including your 100% organic shit, doesnt mean its actually shit

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First off its not Organic at all, and as I stated above I am trying to avoid using organics as my main fertilizer. Second, you are right in the fact that The calculator is a great tool. It just sucks that they can't make it more user friendly and include all of their products. It's good to hear that jumpstart works by itself, I hated using powders and gels. Any vets have any input on feeding schedules? I am more concerned with the ratios of my base fertilizer compared to my supplements.

I use all of Dutch Master's Gold nutes and additives. I'm very pleased with the results I've been getting. I also use ADD 27, Hygrozyme, and AN's Jumpstart for cuttings as a foliar spray. I also use Cutting Edge's Calcium and Magnesium supplements as a preventative measure. I haven't seen a deficiency yet that wasn't my own fault for being lazy about pH pen calibration. I highly recommend them. Liquid Light and Saturator are worth every penny.

teh reason u cant find monkey juice on the calc is cuz their discontinuing i think

just find the schedule on the calc thats closest to what u got

use the calc to see when to use everything and use the lable on the bottle to see how much


but dont follow teh bottle exact!!!!

always always always no matter what nutes ur using always cut the first dose to half or a third what the bottle says

u never no how strong it gonna be and u can add more nutes but u cant unburn plants

Is Pimp?? That is supposed to mean good? I thought that meant a low life sex salesman?
AN is grossly over priced and very much over rated. They will likely eventaully sell RO water with squirrel urine in it and call it a miracle budding supplement. Maybe crushed kidney stones. Anything for a buck AN.

fatman7574 said:

Is Pimp?? That is supposed to mean good? I thought that meant a low life sex salesman?
AN is grossly over priced and very much over rated. They will likely eventaully sell RO water with squirrel urine in it and call it a miracle budding supplement. Maybe crushed kidney stones. Anything for a buck AN.

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wow - a little upset there aren't you? did you have a bad exp or something fatman?

all i've heard from my friends about AN is good stuff.

one dude i know is running:

Sensi A&B
Voodoo
Big Bud
b-52

and it's working for them...

Just looked at hte calculator, yeah, that is confusing, but i really don't think you need everythign they're listing. I think you just need to spend a little more time looking at the calculator and you'll see that things are a little easier than they seem.

they should probably make it a bit easier to read tho

not sure if this helps - good luck everyone...

AN has some good products, but they are really no better than those sold by the other manfacturers for less. Take away all of AN's marketing and your just left with a manfacturer who sells a few good products comparable to those sold by others and a lot of almost useless products that other manfactures don' bother even attempting to off load on the public. Many of AN's products can't even pass the requirements of states requiring proof of guaranteed analysis thus allowing them to even be sold. AN has just recently started providing a guaranted analyiss on their products. That I feel is a result of their receiving so many bad write uo ps in forums such as this. They would likely revela or guarntee nothing without people complaining.

IMHO they ought to withdraw about half of their products from the market and lower the cost of the remaining products by about 50% to 75%. Until then I will continue to just think of them as unethical manafacturers taking advantage of unknowing growers.

fatman7574 said:

AN has some good products, but they are really no better than those sold by the other manfacturers for less. Take away all of AN's marketing and your just left with a manfacturer who sells a few good products comparable to those sold by others and a lot of almost useless products that other manfactures don' bother even attempting to off load on the public. Many of AN's products can't even pass the requirements of states requiring proof of guaranteed analysis thus allowing them to even be sold. AN has just recently started providing a guaranted analyiss on their products. That I feel is a result of their receiving so many bad write uo ps in forums such as this. They would likely revela or guarntee nothing without people complaining.

IMHO they ought to withdraw about half of their products from the market and lower the cost of the remaining products by about 50% to 75%. Until then I will continue to just think of them as unethical manafacturers taking advantage of unknowing growers.

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After a little research a trip to my local grow shop I have decided to go with The Botanicare series of nutes. The guy at the shop uses these:

CNS17 Coco Bloom
Aquashield Compost Solution
Silica Blast
Sweet Carbo Berry (mineral additive for flavoring)
Seaplex (Seaweed extracts)
Liquid Karma
Clearex (for salt leaching)

They are about 50/50 organic nutes and chemical nutes but apparently they don't have as much of a problem with mess as 100% organic nutes do. So I will give them a try and report back. I'm making a nice sized purchase at my local hydro store when i basically buy everything I need to set up my grow area. I'll be sure post my findings in my upcoming grow journal. Thanks for all the good reply's-

nothing wrong with the calculator it works fine - my harvests are proof of that . the calculator just might be out of date but theres nothing wrong with it .

rightchoice said:

nothing wrong with the calculator it works fine - my harvests are proof of that . the calculator just might be out of date but theres nothing wrong with it .

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The great AN defender. When you are harvesting 2 pounds a day or more and paying AN nutrient prices to do it along with their bob us calculator then your defense of AN might mean something.

fatman7574 said:

The great AN defender. When you are harvesting 2 pounds a day or more and paying AN nutrient prices to do it along with their bob us calculator then your defense of AN might mean something.

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sure, I dont' get 2 pounds a day, but dang, I really don't need that much...be stoned until armageddon....LOL

AN works just fine, tho I haven't used their calc in a while...

srsly tho...i don't think any copmany promises things they actually live up to...just look at the government...

2 pounds a DAY? You have to be harvesting a room per day to do that.

That's not a question of nutrient choice, that's a question of whether or not you're running a large-scale commercial operation.

There's nothing wrong with Advanced Nutrients or their calculator. No one's dosing recommendation is going to be dialed in for every single plant in every single grow.

Only a poor carpenter blames the tool.

fatman7574 said:

The great AN defender. When you are harvesting 2 pounds a day or more and paying AN nutrient prices to do it along with their bob us calculator then your defense of AN might mean something.

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I don't really understand why everybody seems to be an Advanced Nutrients-basher, I mean if you can't make them work then don't use 'em. If there's anybody out there harvesting 2 pounds a day, I highly doubt they would worry about the couple extra dollars that AN charges. The only thing I ever hear people say when they're bashing on AN is that "it's over-priced" or they "advertise too much", they're "soo corporate", etc. If you can't afford 'em then simply use something cheap. And of course they advertise the Hell out of their products- isn't the whole purpose of owning a business to promote it and make as much $ as possible? I'm sure they make a lot more $ than the other nute companies, so they're selling plenty of nutes. I personally think the nutrient calculator sucks, but I still use AN succesfully, every time. Using discount nutrients will just get you some discount results.
I've used GH, Botanicare, House & Garden and AN... they ALL work well, but none of them as easily as Advanced. Also, I have recently been running their cheap-ass line of Jungle Juice with great results (though I have to add Botanicare's CalMag because the AN nutes do seem to be lacking in that area.) Use what works for YOU, AN happens to work the absolute best... for ME, others may be different. I'm not going to defend AN anymore to people who just talk crap because they seen somebody else talk crap about 'em, there are no legit reasons to not at least give AN a try- unless you can't afford it but that isn't AN's problem, it's yours.

If anyone out there can't afford good nutrients, then get a freaking job!!!! (lofl) 'cuz the grow thing obviously isn't workin' out for ya.
Cheers

fatman7574 said:

The great AN defender. When you are harvesting 2 pounds a day or more and paying AN nutrient prices to do it along with their bob us calculator then your defense of AN might mean something.

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Another AN hater who has probably never used their product and is just regurjitating everything he sees on this website because he is unable to make a clear and concise decision in his own. Do the research yourself and stop just repeating what you hear. That just makes you a follower. If you had a side by side grow journal or comparison or some actual facts then maybe people will listen. I have used them for 5 years and have done back to back side by side comparison grows between them and General Hydroponics, Fox Farms, and B.C. and Advanced has won everytime. Doing another 2 harvest test with Dyna in a month and with House and Garden after that.

AN base nutes and GH additives. look at the labels of the additives, they are exactly the same... example AN rhino skin = potassium silicate
dutch master silica gold is a third of the cost and twice as strong.

lol at fatman. youre in the wrong place.

i use the sensi 2 part also, with nirvana flower booster. it works great. I follow the schedule pretty well, which is super easy cause its not much of a schedule at all, but tells you to use the same amount for every week. Anyways, 10 ml per gallon of each part per gallon is perfect, and super easy to measure. 1/2 str first week. last time i bumped it up to like 15-1600 and ended up with a little tip burn. keepin it around 1200 this time like the schedule says.

nice, i wanted to use nirvana but its org and my h202 would eat it up hehe

yeah i was curious about that... i try not to add h2o2 at the same time. but i dont think it destoys all of the nutrients. they aren't all "organic" as in alive, just organic as in all natural.