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Pipsterize

Pipsterize

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Advanced Nutrients is wonderful, they are definetley more expensive, but i feel its the aston martin of nute setups. I would just go with the grow micro boom set up, and fora ll the other additives you just add in 2ml/L. Voodoo juice is amazing, if you start your plants first 3 weeks with that stuff you will see huge buds because those roots take up everything!. And i wouldnt change overdrive for anything. Week 44-5 of flowering, put some of that shit in your reservoir and i guarantee you will see a difference in 2-3 days. Maybe AN isnt the best overall value but they def do a great job and their customer service is great. Plus they have the fancy bottles to look at all day =] Happy growing
 
potpimp

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
Go ahead and waste your hard earned money. A.N. is no better than the cheapest nutes, and significantly worse than most. I feel like a sucker for the hundreds of dollars I wasted on all those magic bottles of rocket fuel and snake oil. Now I don't feel like a chemist, spending an hour mixing this and that, with a chart, a calculator, and a pipet.
 
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NoDrama

Well-Known Member
Just my 2 cents: AN products are good if you use the whole line, they are way too expensive and over hyped though. Just using the 2 part sensi series means you have to buy 4 things, but you can grow with just that.

I used AN for several years and got the best results using the sensigrow 2 part for veg combined with B52 and sensizyne. For flower, connoisseur 2 part plus voodoo, overdrive and some carboload. Finish with Carboload, RO water and final phase.

Vs.

Use the 3 part GH line, mix accordingly, and get nearly the same results for 1/3 to 1/4 the cost.
 
sterner

sterner

Member
AN contributed to a brown slime problem that i have. i used ph perfect sensi ab grow and in that they include wet betty which is an organic surfactant. bc its organic it contributed to the slime problem. all of their base nutes have this, so if you are having a slime problem now and are using AN nutes but cant figure out where it's comming from.... there's your answer. the only thing i will use from AN if aything is a few additives, big bud, overdrive and/or rhino skin, if anything.
 
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cultiv8

Member
Saying that AN contributed to a brown slime problem is like saying wood contributed to a fire. They're nutrients. Of course they provided nutrition to a microbial growth. The way you don't have a problem with slime is by not having slime - not by using one brand over another. It wouldn't matter what nutrients you use, if you have slime it will eat them and get worse. You have to solve the problem - kill the slime.

If you keep a properly clean growing enviroment you aren't likely to see microbial growths like that, and if you take appropriate steps if you do they aren't usually a big problem.


Advanced Nutrients makes a perfectly good product. It's what I use. They don't break everything into a dozen bottles so you have to buy them all, that's a myth started by haters. I have grown just fine with nothing but base nutes. The variety is no doubt so that you can use or not use exactly what you want or don't want. Like your cable company - they sell you these massive channel packages and you probably watch less than half the channels in a package. But are you able to only pay for the channels you want? No, you gotta buy the whole package or nothing. You got your base nutes that have everything your plants need to grow. Then youve got a bunch of different additives you can add on top of that if you want more of something to make them grow better. Totally up to you. I like the flexibility.

But I'm not trying to tell anyone they're the end-all be-all of nutrients. They're what I like. If everyone just uses what they like and avoids bashing other people for liking something else just imagine how much nicer place the world would be!
 
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mrecio87

Active Member
AN is a marketing departments dream. The company deliberately keeps essentials nutrients out of their main lines like Seni A+B knowing you will get some kind of deficiency BUT DONT WORRY they have an additive for that. by the time they are done with you you are running 10 different bottle of diluted crap just to account for all the 16 essential nutrients a plant needs. DO NOT DO IT!

You will get better results using an all in one or a complete nutrient line. I am currently using Dyna-Gro which is an all in one option no mixing of different bottles and it has a higher con centration so you are using less per bottle on top of only need a single bottle. Uninformed hobby growers use AN while talented commercial growers use Dyna-gro. who do you trust?

I have also heard good things for GH's line of nutes as well so when researching nutes just make sure you find a line that is complete. additives are marketing gimmicks to get deeper into your pockets.
 
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cultiv8

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mrecio87 said:
AN is a marketing departments dream. The company deliberately keeps essentials nutrients out of their main lines like Seni A+B knowing you will get some kind of deficiency BUT DONT WORRY they have an additive for that. by the time they are done with you you are running 10 different bottle of diluted crap just to account for all the 16 essential nutrients a plant needs. DO NOT DO IT!
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If that were true, I could not easily and happily grow start to finish on nothing but AN base nutes. Which I not only CAN do, but HAVE done.

Thus it's clearly false.


"You will get better results using an all in one or a complete nutrient line."
All sweeping generalizations are false. (See what I did there?)

Even if it were generally true, which I don't personally believe, it would not necessarily be universally true. My personal experience tells me it's not only not universally true, but most likely not even generally true.

"I am currently using Dyna-Gro which is an all in one option no mixing of different bottles and it has a higher con centration so you are using less per bottle on top of only need a single bottle."

... and we're to infer that because you're doing it, everyone else should too?

I'd just like to point out that usage rate and concentration are not necessarily the same thing, and if a base liquid nutrient is not divided into 2 or 3 bottles it is - by the simple nature of the chemistry of dissolved solids, limited to a lower concentration than a multi-part nutrient is.


"Uninformed hobby growers use AN while talented commercial growers use Dyna-gro. who do you trust?"
LMAO, and you're accusing AN of advertising? This sounds like a word-for-word copy from an advertisement.

BOTH types of growers use BOTH brands of nutrients. Advanced Nutrients frequently has Cannabis cup winners it can claim, and it's a well-known name in dispensaries. There are plenty of talented and/or commercial growers that swear by AN.

And there are plenty of stupid idiots who use AN. Many of them only use it once, fail miserably, and blame the nutrients rather than themselves. Idiots are like that - there's always some excuse that makes their failure due, not to their own idiocy, but to some external factor not their fault.
 
GreenThumbSucker

GreenThumbSucker

Well-Known Member
cultiv8 said:
If that were true, I could not easily and happily grow start to finish on nothing but AN base nutes. Which I not only CAN do, but HAVE done.

Thus it's clearly false.


"You will get better results using an all in one or a complete nutrient line."
All sweeping generalizations are false. (See what I did there?)

Even if it were generally true, which I don't personally believe, it would not necessarily be universally true. My personal experience tells me it's not only not universally true, but most likely not even generally true.

"I am currently using Dyna-Gro which is an all in one option no mixing of different bottles and it has a higher con centration so you are using less per bottle on top of only need a single bottle."

... and we're to infer that because you're doing it, everyone else should too?

I'd just like to point out that usage rate and concentration are not necessarily the same thing, and if a base liquid nutrient is not divided into 2 or 3 bottles it is - by the simple nature of the chemistry of dissolved solids, limited to a lower concentration than a multi-part nutrient is.


"Uninformed hobby growers use AN while talented commercial growers use Dyna-gro. who do you trust?"
LMAO, and you're accusing AN of advertising? This sounds like a word-for-word copy from an advertisement.

BOTH types of growers use BOTH brands of nutrients. Advanced Nutrients frequently has Cannabis cup winners it can claim, and it's a well-known name in dispensaries. There are plenty of talented and/or commercial growers that swear by AN.

And there are plenty of stupid idiots who use AN. Many of them only use it once, fail miserably, and blame the nutrients rather than themselves. Idiots are like that - there's always some excuse that makes their failure due, not to their own idiocy, but to some external factor not their fault.
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There is no magical brand or blend that will put anybody over the top. All hydroponic fertilizers are made from the same base chemicals. There is no difference between brands as far as the plants are concerned. Nitrates are nitrates, whether they are sodium nitrate, potassium nitrate, or calcium nitrate. As long as it is in nitrate form, the plant does not care. Exotic supplements are a scam based on myths. The plants do not need anything more than complete base nutrients.
 
BigBuddahCheese

BigBuddahCheese

New Member
Sometimes people who spend hundreds on nutes and see someone with crappy Dyna or GH lines killing it with their grows need to step on their soap box to deep inside, somehow justify their spending habits on nutes with similar or sub-par results.

These nutrient lines rely on the "sheep" to ride the "hype" wagon, and cash in on their single track minds.
 
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mrecio87

Active Member
cultiv8 said:
If that were true, I could not easily and happily grow start to finish on nothing but AN base nutes. Which I not only CAN do, but HAVE done.

Thus it's clearly false.


"You will get better results using an all in one or a complete nutrient line."
All sweeping generalizations are false. (See what I did there?)

Even if it were generally true, which I don't personally believe, it would not necessarily be universally true. My personal experience tells me it's not only not universally true, but most likely not even generally true.

"I am currently using Dyna-Gro which is an all in one option no mixing of different bottles and it has a higher con centration so you are using less per bottle on top of only need a single bottle."

... and we're to infer that because you're doing it, everyone else should too?


I'd just like to point out that usage rate and concentration are not necessarily the same thing, and if a base liquid nutrient is not divided into 2 or 3 bottles it is - by the simple nature of the chemistry of dissolved solids, limited to a lower concentration than a multi-part nutrient is.


"Uninformed hobby growers use AN while talented commercial growers use Dyna-gro. who do you trust?"
LMAO, and you're accusing AN of advertising? This sounds like a word-for-word copy from an advertisement.

BOTH types of growers use BOTH brands of nutrients. Advanced Nutrients frequently has Cannabis cup winners it can claim, and it's a well-known name in dispensaries. There are plenty of talented and/or commercial growers that swear by AN.

And there are plenty of stupid idiots who use AN. Many of them only use it once, fail miserably, and blame the nutrients rather than themselves. Idiots are like that - there's always some excuse that makes their failure due, not to their own idiocy, but to some external factor not their fault.
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I never said you couldn't grow with the stuff but make no mistake you are overpaying AN for more bottles of chemicals that can otherwise be found in a Single bottle in a more concentrated form by other companies. Some people just have a more is better outlook which AN marketing uses to get into your pockets. Anyone I have talked to who has used AN has never just used the base nutrients and its because by themselves are not complete. This is done on purpose so that they can sell you the additives you need to get high quality buds. All I'm saying is that what AN calls an additive I call a base nute and expect it to be in my fertilizer to begin with.

And this statement "I'd just like to point out that usage rate and concentration are not necessarily the same thing, and if a base liquid nutrient is not divided into 2 or 3 bottles it is - by the simple nature of the chemistry of dissolved solids, limited to a lower concentration than a multi-part nutrient is." I disagree with. Foliage Pro gives me about 95-100ppm when added at 1ml per gallon on the .5 scale while AN comes in around 70ppm (1/2ml each of A+B no additives) So Dyna gro is 1 bottle bottle instead of 2 plus additives and is also more concentrated so the one bottle will last longer and you will get the same or better results as AN for a fraction of the cost. I dont see the value in AN and see it as a gimmick for those that go with the more is better mentality.
 
ScoobyDoobyDoo

ScoobyDoobyDoo

Well-Known Member
BigBuddahCheese said:
Sometimes people who spend hundreds on nutes and see someone with crappy Dyna or GH lines killing it with their grows need to step on their soap box to deep inside, somehow justify their spending habits on nutes with similar or sub-par results.

These nutrient lines rely on the "sheep" to ride the "hype" wagon, and cash in on their single track minds.
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that's funny cause i ran the AN sensi line for cheaper than guys who run Dyna. just a myth that it's so expensive. it's actually about 15% more concentrated and about 20% more expensive than Dyna. plus with Dyna you needed protekt and cal/mag. i didn't.
 
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mrecio87

Active Member
Unless Sensi is more concentrated than Connoisseur I think not. Homebrewer did a concentration test and came up with this.

homebrewer said:
Nutrient concentration levels: This is one thing that is often overlooked by growers when factoring in the actual cost of a fertilizer. Take DynaGro for example; at near $50 per gallon, DynaGro doesn’t appear to be one of the most economical fertilizers on the market. One thing that the bottle wont tell you is just how concentrated the nutrient solution actually is. 1ml of DynaGro's grow and bloom into a gallon of water nets a final ppm (on the 442 scale or .7 conversion) of 220. 1 ml of Connoisseur A&B into a gallon of water nets a final ppm of 140 (on the 442 scale or .7 conversion), making DynaGro 157% more concentrated than Connoisseur. In other words, 2 gallons of DynaGro would last me about seven grow cycles whereas Connoisseur A&B would last just a touch over 5 grow cycles.

As much as I’d like to report that Connoisseur is highly diluted, their concentration levels seem to be about average based on other fertilizers that I own.

Cost: I don’t like the fact that with Connoisseur, one needs to buy both A & B to properly flower plants. I paid $75 for these 2 liters of base nutrients but the price comparisons below will be using the 1 gallon price of $85 per bottle ($170 for the pair). While each bottle of DynaGro grow and bloom are 100% complete and are excellent stand-alone fertilizers, I do use them together all the way though flower so in essence, I use it as a two-part as well.

Assuming I was only using base nutrients for this entire grow and assuming the same feeding levels and flowering period, DynaGro would cost $14.09 for the entire flowering cycle versus Connoisseur A&B which would cost $32.17. The $18 difference per flowering period could easily be negated should Connoisseur be the superior yielding fertilizer. We shall see.
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ScoobyDoobyDoo

ScoobyDoobyDoo

Well-Known Member
mrecio87 said:
Unless Sensi is more concentrated than Connoisseur I think not. Homebrewer did a concentration test and came up with this.
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it actually is more concentrated than connoisseur. we also ran connoisseur and found it was stronger than dyna as well. then homebrewer flamed our thread. just be careful who you take info from. some people have an agenda here. you can see the experiment we did in a thread in the nutrients section called "after trying dyna..." it's near the top of the list. homebrewer mistated or lied about the actual concentration levels. we ran them on 2 seperate 1 gallon pitchers for all 3 nutes.

homebrewer also mistates the cost of AN and Dyna grossly to aid in his argument. AN doesn't cost $170 for the pair. not even close. you can get it online for $110. Sensi you can get for about $65-$70.
 
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mrecio87

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HB actually posted his finding i looked at Tree Kings thread about Dyna-Gro and switching back to AN an almost everyone in that thread disagreed with him and not HB. You keep telling me AN is more concentrated how about some PPM numbers? According to Tree King 10 mil of A and 10ml of b together are more concentrated then 10 ml of bloom. You realize he should have tested it at 5ml of A and 5ml of B to 10ml of DG Bloom to get true results that DG is more concentrated about 10-15% cheaper when comparing just base nutes and more complete then AN's base nutes. And after reading some of your logic in your arguments against home brewer I am not going to waste my time arguing with you further.

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lmao...you call those plants deficient from my last harvest? seems to me like you were the ONLY one in the entire thread that thought the plants were deficient. just seems weird to me that i would be getting plus rep and positive responses from EVERYONE except the Dyna shill. hmmm...makes you wanna think.

you might wanna go back and re-read that thread again HB. Dyna was LESS concentrated than both Connoisseur and Sensi. looks like i have to do your homework for you again...



here's a copy of your response where you basically admit that Sensi and Connoisseur are more concentrated and try and back your way out of it by claiming that you need other additives with AN that you apparantly don't need with Dyna. funny to me cause you seem to be the one running ProTekt, KLN, Great White, etc...

Originally Posted by homebrewer
I've been away but I wanted to address this real quick. Sensi is a 4 part system meaning you have two parts for grow and two more for bloom. In your example above, you're using 20mls of Sensi vs 10mls of DG, how does that make any sense if you're comparing concentration levels? In addition, I never made claims about the potency of Sensi as I tested Connoisseur which is actually more concentrated than your Sensi numbers. But based on your numbers above, you're right in that when using bases only, DG is only about 15% cheaper.

Concentration levels and price-point are just the beginning, how about the number of bottles needed to grow a plant from seed to harvest? How about the need for additional bottles down the road because of lack-luster NPK ratios for hydro or incomplete base nutrient formulas? How about pH stability or ease of use? If you want to talk about the true cost of a grow, you need to look at more than just the price of the bases, especially when dealing with canna-specific nutrient companies whose only goal is to empty your pockets. After all, we're talking about salts in water here, not pixies dust and magic potions that guarantee success.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what plant food one uses when one lacks the skills to dial-in everything else it takes to grow a healthy plant. A great example of this occurred last week when a friend was watching my garden while I was gone. I don't know what happened but one of my perfectly healthy flowering dirt plants died while I was gone. I dunno King, should I blame the plant food or the person who was caring for the plants?




the best part is your logic here above. did you fail math class or something? if you use 10ml per bottle of 2 part and 10ml per bottle of Dyna then you'll be using the bottles up in the same amount of time. it's not rocket science. So 20ml of AN = 10ml of DG but an is more concentrated. wait what? and claiming that Dyna is SO much cheaper than AN when in reality you are getting a 25% more concentrated nutrient for 40% more in price. yes, it is slightly more expensive...but hardly what you make it out to be. and with Dyna you have to purchase a veg nute as well so stop trying to act like Dyna is one stop shopping. (AN uses a Grow and Bloom A+B as well)if you run you Dyna Bloom in veg then great...it's still the same price and concentration difference than Sensi Grow.

and then you digress into the same old argument as always. claiming that you need ALL these additives to grow with AN when tons of guys here are doing just fine with maybe 2-3 additives ust like you. and your Great White is twice the cost of anything we're using from AN. HB did not use this when comparing AN to DG so there is no point to this.

i'm sure 12 hours will give you plenty of time to photoshop some pics or make up another excuse for why you burnt the shit out of you Connoisseur run You are claiming he is photo shopping his pictures but I havent seen you post any pictures of your own when you make your claims on AN superiority.when relative newb growers are getting fantastic results with Connoisseur. if you burnt them...then it was grower error. don't blame the nute...it was you. and if you wanna start a pissing contest then go start your own thread. stop hijacking every AN thread that pops up on the forum. you wanna get into a picture conteat then start a thread and send me a link.

sorry backyard...this guy is just a shill that get's under my skin.
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No wonder you have already been banned once.
 
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