actual benefits of super cropping ??????

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gioua

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have super cropped last 3 years.(only due to being a newb and too lazy to read about scrog)
this year I am going scrog on a few..

hated not being able to see over the top to kill bud worms before they ate


will be using 2 20 gal tubs on some carmel

2 from last year I look at this now after reading and wanting to do a scrog as so much popcorn buds on the lower branches

 
ProfessorPotSnob

ProfessorPotSnob

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ilikecheetoes said:
i dont see how potsnob is proving supercropping makes fatter nugs. He is proving it doesnt kill your plants and thats about it. I dont see another plant grown in the same room at the same time with the same neuts cloned from the same mother and NOT supercropped to compare it to. Not knocking the grow. It looks great. Awesome even ;)
scientific processes if you are comparing one to the other or its still just hearsay and conjecture.
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I would highly recommend reading a good friend of mines writeup about topping and bushing a plant .. His name is MCONE and he is no longer with us , so please try to refrain from stirring shit with a dead mans work ...
https://www.greenpassion.org/index.php?/topic/27689-top-and-bush-plants-for-maximum-yield/
 
ProfessorPotSnob

ProfessorPotSnob

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Experienced growers don't need comparison photos by the way , once you know the art of training a plant you will always recognize it and its advantages !
 
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rabbijones42000

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just chiming in, i didn't know it was called low stress training or super cropping but it turns out i've actually been doing this for a while, all i've seen is im able to get the lower bud sites to develop more and im able to manage my workable space under the light when im able to bend and attach the stalks to things.
 
brotherjericho

brotherjericho

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I basically use super-cropping when I know my plant is going to get too tall to be manageable in my flowering tent. I just grow for myself so I don't give much thought to increasing yield (though it is nice if it does). I recently super cropped an amnesia haze, looking good to even out the top bud sites AND keep the plant short enough to grow in the flower tent.
 
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EverythingsHazy

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I Dont see how the knot formed would increase any flow to anywhere because underneat it where the nutrients would be coming from and above it where they would be being trasported back down is the same size so no more is going through those two points. thats like putting your hose into a beachball and another hose on the other end. more water is in the beach bal but no more is coming out of the hose at the end...
 
Dannysayo

Dannysayo

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It slows vertical growth n makes the plant focus on growing in other areas
EverythingsHazy said:
I Dont see how the knot formed would increase any flow to anywhere because underneat it where the nutrients would be coming from and above it where they would be being trasported back down is the same size so no more is going through those two points. thats like putting your hose into a beachball and another hose on the other end. more water is in the beach bal but no more is coming out of the hose at the end...
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mrCRC420

mrCRC420

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My understanding is that it sends more nutrients to the "injured" super-crop sight; thus bulking up that area. My super-crops always stay bent for like 48 hours and then return to normal. I don't always S.C.; just when I think of it and when a plant looks like it could use a bit of a challenge. GL all
 
Nizza

Nizza

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I want to make this thread a little more crazy. So i knew a guy who used supercropping at the end of the flowering cycle, a week or less from harvest time. He used it to induce "panic mode" in the plants. I have no research or anything to back this up or explain what "panic mode" is but, "panic mode" can be induced different ways such as defoliation (dont kill me UB, im not saying defoliating is good im just saying that ive heard this), Supercropping, extended hours of darkness right before harvest, cold temperatures on lights off, and other things. What the grower is trying to do is force the plant to finish up and make it realize its going to die.
The guy who supercropped at the end would break every single branch down and tie them, and all the buds would grow out little fingers , almost like foxtailing but not. He grew trainwreck indoors under hps's.
Thats what i've heard and maybe this is what your trying to find out about?
I'd love for someone to Prove/disprove me, scientifically of course.
and yes, I already know that anything listed above technically stunts the plant, but what the real debate is if it is a "good" stress or if theres a better way to do it (i do LST, throughout the grow and always am trying to even out my canopy, without ever taking off fan leaves[defoliation])
 
iiKode

iiKode

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Pinch with you're nails, squeeze like you are trying to take the branch off, the you should have a little pinch and the branch should topple over by itself, or you then bend it over, this pinch will act like a snap, except you don't want to snap it off obviously. I use this technique to make my stems stronger, i have got around 10 strong points on my branches starting from the very bottom and ever 6 inches or so there is a knuckle.
 
amgprb

amgprb

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I have never intentionally done it, untill tonight. Tested out on 1 plant that has 3 identical sisters (all in veg) im going to see the diference b/t the 3...

Anyways, a cpl years ago during one of my blue venom grows, i was adjusting my light. My plants were at roughly week 7, so only a week or so till harvest. Well, the damned light dropped on one of my girls and bent the stem, just below the main cola. I was freaking out. But to my suprise, her resin production almost doubled in comparison to the other plants! All in all, she finished about 3 days later then the rest, but was so frosty! Turned out to be the best of the whole grow.

sorry, was rambling on. I just wanted to share that with you guys!
 
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randude101

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I am very interested in this. I am doing it with a Colombian x Jamaican from USC that is pure old school sativa. I topped the seedlings early and caused a low split that caused two major branches and two thinner branches. I started to pinch those and new branches come up that I pinched. I pinched a couple branches more than once. I think this is the only way to control this old school sativa. I really wanted to grow these two plants in my house and it required drastic measures. Sativas, especially this one, is a very fibrous plant and lends itself well to this type of training. I will be checking in on here and even showing some photos.
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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Nizza said:
I want to make this thread a little more crazy. So i knew a guy who used supercropping at the end of the flowering cycle, a week or less from harvest time. He used it to induce "panic mode" in the plants. I have no research or anything to back this up or explain what "panic mode" is but, "panic mode" can be induced different ways such as defoliation (dont kill me UB, im not saying defoliating is good im just saying that ive heard this), Supercropping, extended hours of darkness right before harvest, cold temperatures on lights off, and other things. What the grower is trying to do is force the plant to finish up and make it realize its going to die.
The guy who supercropped at the end would break every single branch down and tie them, and all the buds would grow out little fingers , almost like foxtailing but not. He grew trainwreck indoors under hps's.
Thats what i've heard and maybe this is what your trying to find out about?
I'd love for someone to Prove/disprove me, scientifically of course.
and yes, I already know that anything listed above technically stunts the plant, but what the real debate is if it is a "good" stress or if theres a better way to do it (i do LST, throughout the grow and always am trying to even out my canopy, without ever taking off fan leaves[defoliation])
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Both Ed rosenthal and jorge cervantes's indoor grow books discuss stressing the plants late in flower for the purpose of "shocking" the plant. All they said, was it may help to produce more resin, but at the cost of greatly reducing your overall harvest.
How is a plant suppose to keep budding heavy when it has to repair itself at the same time? You can run a lot faster when your legs are not broken.
 
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EverythingsHazy

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Well possibly, but I know ive heard peolpe saing that the knot being bigger allows more nutritents to flow which si stupid because they wod get backed up due to the stem being normal size above and below the knot (wound)

the slowing vertical growth and efects like topping or fimming makes sense tho if you bend it over
 
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mooseknuckler

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SC'ing turns the 2 lane xylem into a 4 lane highway for water and nutes. This is what happens when it repairs itself. To "fix it", the plant repairs itself by doubling the xylem-up and phlegm-dn (sp). I am using it now with cyco and my plants are booming. You can see the xylem on the stock. read the ridges man read the ridges................
 
legallyflying

legallyflying

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mooseknuckler said:
SC'ing turns the 2 lane xylem into a 4 lane highway for water and nutes. This is what happens when it repairs itself. To "fix it", the plant repairs itself by doubling the xylem-up and phlegm-dn (sp). I am using it now with cyco and my plants are booming. You can see the xylem on the stock. read the ridges man read the ridges................
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Jesus Christ. This thread is full of soo much bullshit and misinformation it should probably just be locked

Sc or any other training method is not some miracle worker. If you can train a plant to take advantage of your lighting or other setup considerations, your going to get more yield.

If you want to maximize yield indoors then you need to train your plants (unless your going SOG...obviously)

4 lane highway of xylem... Dumbest thing I haver we read. Indeed a plant creates more xylem pathways after injury, they are much smaller in size.
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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legallyflying said:
Jesus Christ. This thread is full of soo much bullshit and misinformation it should probably just be locked

Sc or any other training method is not some miracle worker. If you can train a plant to take advantage of your lighting or other setup considerations, your going to get more yield.

If you want to maximize yield indoors then you need to train your plants (unless your going SOG...obviously)

4 lane highway of xylem... Dumbest thing I haver we read. Indeed a plant creates more xylem pathways after injury, they are much smaller in size.
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I liked the 4 lane highway thing, it made me giggle. People just want to wave a magic wand...Poof!....Buds, holy crap that was easy. A lot of bad advice out there.
 
tekdc911

tekdc911

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super cropping
limits vertical growth and stretch / keeps your nodes closer
i dont see how the 4 lane idea works out
if everything i listed is associated with stunting
 
tekdc911

tekdc911

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randude101 said:
I am very interested in this. I am doing it with a Colombian x Jamaican from USC that is pure old school sativa. I topped the seedlings early and caused a low split that caused two major branches and two thinner branches. I started to pinch those and new branches come up that I pinched. I pinched a couple branches more than once. I think this is the only way to control this old school sativa. I really wanted to grow these two plants in my house and it required drastic measures. Sativas, especially this one, is a very fibrous plant and lends itself well to this type of training. I will be checking in on here and even showing some photos.
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i have a purple haze #1 im going to SC was fim'd but i think i missed so it my be just plain topped >.< j/k j/k
ill check in as well ;)
 
SxIstew

SxIstew

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[video=youtube;2FmXHhKFA5U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=2FmXHhKFA5U[/video]
 
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