Abortion Foes Push To Redefine Personhood

Ernst

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I know it seems that issues cycle and cycle but I hope this is just a reminder that we need to vote again and again about the same old NO people wish would be a Yes.

I am all for a Woman's right to live free!
You are a women not a cattle! Be Free!

Now I also understand that the Human Being is a Cattle with benefits. They vote and or control wealth of a planet; at least in the USA. God Bless The USA.

So here we are getting more than surgical in our division on a legal right to abortion of fetus.
It's distasteful but less so than poverty and wasted lives or even rapid depletion of the World's resources in my opinion.

We are still animals trapped on this planet like all other things.. The Earth is not a Giant ATM for Man.

So What's up with the new rules on what is PersonHood?

We used to call it 18 now we are getting molecular.
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Activists want to rewrite laws to recognize someone as a person from the moment a sperm fertilizes an egg. But a redefinition could threaten the use of a long list of commonly used contraceptives, including some birth control pills and the intrauterine device.
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laughingduck

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Lets have rights for the fish, rights for the chickens, but lets have the right to kill babies. Go girl kill your child and end the cycle of life of YOU.
 

Ernst

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Are any of you female? Fair and Balanced will include girls.

So why get so rank as to chase the Babes away?
 

redivider

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it bothers me that we have hundreds of thousands of kids living in poverty while CEO's and Politicians ride around in 100k dollar cars, wear thousand dollar shoes..... live in million dollar homes.....

we have all those poor mothers, who already have a life of shame and the thought of 'what if' constantly following them for the rest of their lives, made into political pawns, game pieces on a board.

this is a case where we should just let that family deal with the pain of aborting a pregnancy, loosing a child.... how much larger does government have to be, that IT, not us, decides when life begins and where it doesnt.....

big government doesn't even come close to describing it....
 

Dan Kone

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Lets have rights for the fish, rights for the chickens, but lets have the right to kill babies. Go girl kill your child and end the cycle of life of YOU.
I'm pretty sure you can kill a chicken legally.

Is making an omelet abortion?
 

beardo

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I can't believe women and doctors murder babies and people support them and eventhough i'm against it I know my tax dollars are used to facilitate it.
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
come on now...

easy on the personal shit.

i can't believe a person can force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want.
 

beardo

Well-Known Member
i bet you don't work or pay taxes.
Paid over 6,000$ worth last year alone out of pocket not deducted from a check, That's more than General Electric paid so i'm doing my part to keep planned parenthood open
come on now...

easy on the personal shit.

i can't believe a person can force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want.
Unless your trying to say if a woman was raped and abortion is illegal I don't get your argument. If you don't want a baby keep the penises out of your vagina and you will have no worries.
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
having sex isn't like smoking weed.

it's not like: if you want to keep out of jail don't smoke weed.

we are WIRED to have sex. we cannot help it. we either fuck somebody, or masturbate, and fucking is sooooo much more fun......
 

NoDrama

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Lets have rights for the fish, rights for the chickens, but lets have the right to kill babies. Go girl kill your child and end the cycle of life of YOU.
You make a good point, People cannot build buildings where some small lizard lives because we might endanger that poor lizard, but a human baby? bah throw it in a bucket and let it starve to death!
 

NoDrama

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REALLY??? We cannot control ourselves? Because we cannot control our libidos, it's acceptable to have unprotected intercourse, become pregnant and use abortion as birth control?
Apparently he doesn't understand the reason behind the libido. To impregnate females and have offspring. Some people just think that is a byproduct of sex and the actual purpose of sex is to have a good time. But those people are morons.
 

mame

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You dont trust the ruling the SCOTUS issued on abortion rights?

I mean, if HC reform was ruled unconstitutional - I'd accept it. Why is abortion an issue that conservatives ignore from their vigilant worship of the constitution? As libertarians, dont you guys usually say "if it's constitutional it should be legal! Personal freedom trumps all!"?

The SCOTUS ruled on the issue, their opinion is the only opinion that matters; That is how the founding fathers intended.
 

NoDrama

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I completely agree that a woman can do with her body as she pleases, but she should not be allowed access to my tax money to pay the cost of the abortion. I find abortion abhorrent and personally am against it, but its not my place to prevent others from doing what they want since it isn't hurting me directly.
 

laughingduck

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Sorry, it pisses me of so bad, when folks want to protect the air, the water, and every species known to man. Then give the value of a baby as less than trash, makes no sense to me (must be my logic gettin in the way) aaawww to be enlightened one day will be just great!
Are any of you female? Fair and Balanced will include girls.

So why get so rank as to chase the Babes away?
 

beardo

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Hippocratic Oath

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[edit] Original

Greek Wikisource has original text related to this article: Ἱπποκράτειος ὅρκος
Original, translated into English:[4]
“ I swear by Apollo, the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath and agreement: To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art.
I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.
I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.
But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.
I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.
In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.
All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.
If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot.
” [edit] Classic

Classic translation into English:[5]
“ I swear by Apollo the Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods, and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfill according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant: To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art–if they desire to learn it–without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken the oath according to medical law, but to no one else.
I will apply dietic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.
I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.
Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.
What I may see or hear in the course of treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep myself holding such things shameful to be spoken about.
If I fulfill this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honoured with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.
” In the 1870s, many American medical schools chose to abandon the Hippocratic Oath as part of graduation ceremonies, usually substituting a version modified to something considered more politically and medically correct, or an alternate pledge like the Oath of Maimonides.
The Hippocratic Oath has been updated by the Declaration of Geneva. In the United Kingdom, the General Medical Council provides clear modern guidance in the form of its Duties of a Doctor[6] and Good Medical Practice[7] statements.
[edit] Modern version

A widely used modern version of the traditional oath was penned in 1964 by Dr. Louis Lasagna, former Principal of the Sackler School of Graduate Biomedical Sciences and Academic Dean of the School of Medicine at Tufts University:[8]
“ I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant: I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.
I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.
I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.
I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.
I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given to me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.
I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.
I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.
I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help
 
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