Imsohighnolie
Member
I think the issue of flowering with the soils, and whether they still last to feed the flower stage still needs to be covered. This isn't dead yet!
A test in progress.... Miracle Grow soil vs. Fox Farms soil. Is MG really that bad?
- Thread starter jawbrodt
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RavenMochi
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I agree...where is Jaw, we need to follow this test to harvest!!
RawBudzski
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Makes no sense to use MG. just buy STEER maneur which is cheaper anyway then ORDER SOME REAL NUTES. iE, Sweat, Guano, B1 thrive, FoxFarms, Canna Maybe? and be happy. Screw the Walmart Grows.
stinkbudd1
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That make good sense to me. Just one question in mind was fox farms created with the cannabis plant in mind? becouse im kind of thinking that MG was'nt? then again if its a test of complete growing needs or is it as stated in the beginning trully about the difference between soils only???All the hating has been on the MG soil nothing about nutes..Peace
mcpurple
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no i dont think ff was made with weed in mind along with all the other nutes. and since the soil experiment will end when flower begins cuz im sure they will need flower nutes, so it would be a good idea to keep it going and see witch plants do the best, the all MG fed plants or all FF fed plants and i was all for MG not a hater of it, and mabye it should be made to difference in nutes as well to show what works best for the price. im sure others here would like to see this done
mcpurple
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cuz some of this shit is kinda spendy actually not kinda it is. Mg works just fine and is very cheap
RawBudzski
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that is the truth. 
im just mad i cant controll the sun.. i need another 600w but thats a good 450 away
im just mad i cant controll the sun.. i need another 600w but thats a good 450 away
mcpurple
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if you grow outside you can kinda control it. and dam 450 for 1 600? why so muchthat is the truth.
RawBudzski
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250 for Ballast and Hood. 100 for each bulb.
Serapis
Well-Known Member
And that just shows that you don't know much about nutrients.... you have bought into the label BS. MG makes perfect sense because plants thrive in it, as has been proven here. The only thing that doesn't make sense is your statement in this thread. Did you even read it?
Serapis
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You can get a air cooled hood, a digital ballast and an HPS bulb for about $230 on eBay and then get a MH conversion bulb for $50.... less than $300, a hood, glass, seal, hangers, ballast and two bulbs.....
RavenMochi
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Welcome back Serapis, what happened?
Serapis
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Check your PM's
jawbrodt
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Hey guys, sorry for the absence, I started back to work last week, and have been busy as hell. Then, when I did get some free time, my computer fucked up, of course.lol ANYWAY,....I'm sorry to bring some bad news....
...I recently got word that my place is being watched, possibly raided soon, and have to shut down operations. *pouts* That was last weekend. I haven't touched the plants since then, not a drop of water or fert, and surprisingly, they still look pretty damn good. Sucks, knowing that I have to kill them, especially since they were ready for 12/12, a week ago. I had to chop down the first generation, that were in week 8 of 12/12, and weighed the yield from one plant. It was 90 grams, after being dried extra-crispy.lol That's pretty damn good, considering that they were only 24" tall. I haven't chopped those in this test, yet, but plan to, tonight. *pouts some more*
It's a REALLY tough decision to make, which is why they're still alive, today. But, being that my house and my job are on the line, I can't take the risk of keeping them. I REALLY wish I could, because the smoke is awesome. I'd love to be able to show you guys the final results, as well. Honestly though, I seriously doubt there will be any difference in yield, once I start feeding them myself. After this test, I'm convinced that any soil can perform great, as long as you have the drainage under control, and a good solid watering routine. Yes, some soils have more nutes than others, BUT, IMO, it's the growers responsibility to compensate for that, and adjust accordingly. IMO, soils with equal drainage, and equal PH ranges, will perform almost identically, reguardless of what if stamped in the bag. I'm betting that I could grow plants just as nice, in a pile of shredded newspaper,(for example) as long as I got the feeding doses correct.lol As long as plants get sufficient oxygen to their roots, and get the nutes they require, yiou can grow them in practically any medium. That's what I got out of this test. As far as "supersoils" go.....IMO, they main difference, is that they are loaded with nutes, not enough to burn the plants, but just enough to keep them sustained for longer than most soils. Add enough perlite to just about any soil, and it'll do just as well. In those cases, the nutes, are your responsibility.
So, for all you haters of MG soils, or any soils, for that matter, either add perlite and learn how to water properly, or shut the hell up, and stop spreading rumors that you can't back up.
IMO, the only way MG soil can harm your plants, is if it was purchased from a place that stored it improperly(outside in the rain, for example), and went acidic, or rancid. Fresh MG soil, works just as well as anything else, granted that you correct it's drainage problems. Those "time-released nutes", are ABSOLUTELY nothing to worry about, and aren't the same as those pellet-type ferts that us growers should avoid. That .14-.12-.07(or whatever it is.lol) isn't enough to hurt a damn thing. That's like 1/50th strength of the ferts we use, for christ-sakes. Definitely not capable of burning anything, no mater whether you just watered them, or not. 
I will definitely be taking pics before I chop them, so stay tuned. If I get brave, I might keep them, or maybe two of them, but not sure, atm. It's not looking real good, for now. I need to make some more phone calls, me thinks.
...I recently got word that my place is being watched, possibly raided soon, and have to shut down operations. *pouts* That was last weekend. I haven't touched the plants since then, not a drop of water or fert, and surprisingly, they still look pretty damn good. Sucks, knowing that I have to kill them, especially since they were ready for 12/12, a week ago. I had to chop down the first generation, that were in week 8 of 12/12, and weighed the yield from one plant. It was 90 grams, after being dried extra-crispy.lol That's pretty damn good, considering that they were only 24" tall. I haven't chopped those in this test, yet, but plan to, tonight. *pouts some more*
It's a REALLY tough decision to make, which is why they're still alive, today. But, being that my house and my job are on the line, I can't take the risk of keeping them. I REALLY wish I could, because the smoke is awesome. I'd love to be able to show you guys the final results, as well. Honestly though, I seriously doubt there will be any difference in yield, once I start feeding them myself. After this test, I'm convinced that any soil can perform great, as long as you have the drainage under control, and a good solid watering routine. Yes, some soils have more nutes than others, BUT, IMO, it's the growers responsibility to compensate for that, and adjust accordingly. IMO, soils with equal drainage, and equal PH ranges, will perform almost identically, reguardless of what if stamped in the bag. I'm betting that I could grow plants just as nice, in a pile of shredded newspaper,(for example) as long as I got the feeding doses correct.lol As long as plants get sufficient oxygen to their roots, and get the nutes they require, yiou can grow them in practically any medium. That's what I got out of this test. As far as "supersoils" go.....IMO, they main difference, is that they are loaded with nutes, not enough to burn the plants, but just enough to keep them sustained for longer than most soils. Add enough perlite to just about any soil, and it'll do just as well. In those cases, the nutes, are your responsibility.
So, for all you haters of MG soils, or any soils, for that matter, either add perlite and learn how to water properly, or shut the hell up, and stop spreading rumors that you can't back up.
IMO, the only way MG soil can harm your plants, is if it was purchased from a place that stored it improperly(outside in the rain, for example), and went acidic, or rancid. Fresh MG soil, works just as well as anything else, granted that you correct it's drainage problems. Those "time-released nutes", are ABSOLUTELY nothing to worry about, and aren't the same as those pellet-type ferts that us growers should avoid. That .14-.12-.07(or whatever it is.lol) isn't enough to hurt a damn thing. That's like 1/50th strength of the ferts we use, for christ-sakes. Definitely not capable of burning anything, no mater whether you just watered them, or not. I will definitely be taking pics before I chop them, so stay tuned. If I get brave, I might keep them, or maybe two of them, but not sure, atm. It's not looking real good, for now. I need to make some more phone calls, me thinks.
jawbrodt
Well-Known Member
Top feeding, without a doubt. I believe that it helps drive waste products downwards, making for a cleaner soil, provided that you water til you get some runoff, at least once in awhile. Bottom feeding, pretty much eliminates that possibility.
countrygirl
Member
I am sorry to hear that, I joined the forum to follow this thread. I am a couple weeks behind you with my 5th grow. I thought I had hit the jack pot to be able to watch your grow move along and see what you do for issues that arise. I do feel that from my little experience I need a bit of extra N before flower because they yellow to soon I think. I would love if you could guide me in how to boost the N when using MG. I have never added any nutes before but this time I decided on a tad of Big Bloom every other watering for now. No N in that though.
lime73
Weed Modifier
You make no sense Raw.....I use Mg and i have no problems....not like you??? lmao i see you are not grounded....they let you out! better be good this time...