A seed hermied and cross pollinated my crop, can i use the seeds??? Help!!!

dragongrow

Member
Hello all, Im new on here but not new to growing, I've been lurking in the background and learning until now when I really need some help!!
I grew some white label Doublegum seeds, out 3 all of the germinated, i took cuttings and put into flower, me being stupid I decided to do a scrog with these new seeds, once they showed sex, they were at the back because they were groeing so well. Anyway a low branch hermied on me and has Lightly pollinated my bubblegum and cheese plants, I only have a few seeds dotted on certain branches but it has pollinated both strains. I have murdered my 3doublegum and culled the cuttings from the hermie. I will keep the strongest one with no signs of hermies to try again. The question is can i use the seeds to grow a new strain that were cross pollinated on my bubblegum and cheese. The girls were really looking good until the hermie. I have read so much on this subject but cant find a definitive answer on how they will turn out!!!
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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theres a chance they will hermie. i persoanlly dont let hermies bother me too much unless they are popping out alot of naners i just pick em off and let em go.

the seeds should be a mix of the mother plant and whichever plant they pollinated. if they pollinated themselvs they should be a pretty close genetic copy of the mother plant since no new genetics were introduced.

if they crossed onto another plant that didnt hermie then chances are probabally a little less that they will become hermies but the chance is still there. its not gaurenteed but theres a chance. Every canabis plant male of female has a chance to become a hermaphrodite. stress is the main factor that causes them to turn hermie. stress can mean any number of things and there are always going to be plant stressors in your grow room, most of these stressors are healthy for the plant but still can cause it to hermie. things like temprature changes, air movement from fans, lights flickering (they all do just sometimes it not as noticible to the human eye)

anyways hope this helps. if you do not want hermies in your garden i would say dont plant them. if your like me and they dont bother you that much i say go for it you might like the outcome.
 

PaulN'Chuck

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Anybody Familiar with the original Bubba Kush? I believe it was an accidental pollination in somebodies cupboard. Youtube History Of Bubba Kush.
Point is, Hermies can lead to greatness just not very often :weed:
 

dragongrow

Member
Thank you for the responses theyre really seems to be a lot of different opinions! Only 1plant out of 11 hermied and only on 1 lower branch, all the others were healthy and showing no signs of hermies. The only thing i can think happened is that the hermie occured naturally without stress otherwise they would of all hermied or at least all the doublegums. So maybe just bad genetics in that particular seed. The doublegum when in flower were amazing, bigger than my cheese and bubblegum with huge pistols. I've kept cuttings that were all took and labeled before flower, the best one that had no hermies i will try again. Oh well it looks like the old fashioned way of learning and just plant them when i pull my crop down in a few weeks. If i do grow the seeds i mite set up a diary as i think this info could be good for everyone
 
My Wonderjacks cutting is a hermi bred to itself. It is incredibly fast flowering, blows anything else away outdoors, is high quality and tasty.

And shows no signs of herming indoors or out.

Although the actual herm ratio was about 50 percent. So you would either get a herm or a male 50 percent of the time. From the siblings of my Wonderjacks cutting.
 
One of the outstanding qualities that was immediatly noticed from the mother herm in the above pictures was it's incredble speed of growth vegatatively, and in flowering.

Here's another picture, of the growth difference between the Thunderstruck clone and the herm mother, who also has the cutting in it's own genetics.

a27.PNG Both of these plants, the Thunderstruck clone on the left, and the herm mother on the right. Were being flowered under low power fluroscent lighting. But both had roughly the same veg time, and the clone isn't a slow grower or anything. The herm mother just has growth patterns like nothing else.

My Wonderjacks clone is this: (Wonderjack x Super Skunk x ditchweed) X (Wonderjack x Super Skunk x ditchweed) The herm mother was simply: Wonderjack x Super Skunk x ditchweed.

The original batch of see the herm mother was made, from, was made by accident. When I by chance set outdoors a Wondjack x Super Skunk female. And it was randomly pollinated with random ditch weed from the area.

My Wonderjacks has the growth pattern of the herm mother, but the buds set more indica, and it is more stout.
 

dragongrow

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Vincent The original batch of see the herm mother was made said:
My understanding, but only from what ive read is you are more likely to get a hermie seed from a self pollinated plant. By the sound of things you are growing outdoors? How you know you didnt get a hermie amongst them and that the pollen definitely came from ditch weed?

The more I read the more inclined to just grow the seed out and see what happens, i will of course keep you updated. Im just wondering what other peoples experience are of self pollunated (which i killed) and hermies that pollunate other girls other than themselves.
 

dragongrow

Member
Right they all come down and i painstakingly picked all the seeds i could see, then dryed them - note to self, dry them first its MUCH easier!!

Well the yield was shocking, about half of what i would of expected but I did get some quality seeds, these have been dryed out for around a month, iv popped 4 random ones in root it cubes and they have all popped and are looking healthy they all popped their heads in a few days when the ones i got from greenhouse took nearly 2weeks!!

I have now added 2 doublegum x cheese and 2 doublegum x bubblegum in to see what happens, these will be labbled and vegged for another 6weeks to look for signs of pre sex then put into flower to see how they go. Im hoping i get a nice pheno of the doublegum x cheese because its making my mouth water thinking about it!!
 

BleedsGreen

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Are you planning on doing updates here or are you going to do it in another thread? I would like to subscribe and hold on for the ride. Interested to see how this one turns out.
 

dragongrow

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Thanks bleeds green, im thinking of just updating here when theres something to say, i couldnt find any real dedinitive answers of anyone trying this so thought id give it a go, the labeled seeds only went in 2days ago so fingers crossed they all pop, they will sit in the same room as my 600w until i flower, then I will move them under a 250w cfl until the ones im growing now have finished. Im thinking of putting a few of them in next time round to see what happens. Your more than welcome to subscribe but its gonna be a long ride before i get any results!!
 

Turtlehermit

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Okay OP post the link to the thread here when you get the herm test going. I am also interested in this subject.
 

kushhound187

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Hermies are a problem if you are growing for cash, yeild, or full potency. however, they can be highly valuble genetically, when trying to produce feminized seeds. also, rare as it is, if you get a backwards hermy (a male that pops out girly parts) they are usually sterile, but highly valuble if not. do not breed to itself or you get some wierd shit, but if you breed to a highly resinous plant, you should get some fast growing offspring, coated in goo, and have a higher female to male ratio. didnt believe it until i got one. dj short mentions in his book, these backwards hermies. in my experience, the more landrace sativa a genetic contains, the more likely to find hermies. It seems like something you cant avoid. although, many claim due to mandala seeds using all landraces for their breeding, they commonly herm this is not true. i have only have2 hermie out of 30 seeds ive popped. for landrace hybrisd, that is fantastic, plus one was a backward, so im happy.
 

Trousers

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OP

Most likely the lower branch produced male flowers due to stress. From what I have read online, the most common way to stress a plant is to over feed in combination with something else; low light on the branch, heat...

Most of the time a female plant shows male flowers, it is the grower's fault.

If you started with good/stable genes you will have feminized seeds. The seeds will be as likely as the parents to show males flowers under the same circumstances.

If you start with a female plant, you can not get a real hermaphrodite. A real hermaphrodite will have both male and female chromosomes (XY).

A female plant only has X chromosomes (XX). If it shows male flowers, that is usually a result of stress. It is a normal and natural survival mechanism. With out it, cannabis might not exist today.


My understanding, but only from what ive read is you are more likely to get a hermie seed from a self pollinated plant.
Not true. Breeders back cross and self plants all the time.
 

growone

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growing some hermie 'fruit' myself, so subbing for any results
haven't grown out too many, but i have found the good, the bad, and the ugly
 

dragongrow

Member
Thank you for the replys! Ive popped a few and they are growing nicely ive got to wait another 5 weeks before i cannput them in the flower room. The plant that hermied by the way came from regular seeds, i had 3 doublegum from whitelabel. All 3 germed and grew inro females the shortest one of the 3 hermied possibly through the pots being too small? I culled all of them but kept cutting off the 2 that didnt hermie and they are in flower now, fingers crossed and no sign of balls. Ive got 3weeks left so hopefully im safe from the trannys this time round!!
 

harley420

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Ok so a question here... I have a couple chems that are showing signs of hermie, but I think are sterile bcz they were polinated by a hermie that was untented... I know DUH..... so now the chems that were in the same room are herming I think bcz of stress and itts the 3rd time round on cutting either way strain weakining or cross polination can these what I think possible sterile hermies ppolinate any new flowering plants ? Or just pluck and toss my vegging blue sage in ? I only use reg seeds now, the first chemdawg were femmed, and are now hermin. Thx guys
 

dtischerd

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heres my experience with hermied seeds.

several grows back i planted a Amnesia Haze fem seed and one G13 Haze fem seed.

the Amnesia Haze had some pollen sacks in which it pollinated my G13.

now the seeds i got from the G13..ive been growing some here and there,and not one has hermied on me,and they have all been female,and all produce some dank ass smoke.

my only question is those seeds i took from the G13 are not true G13 Haze..so what are they?
 
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