A possibly new idea for cloning your babies

000

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So people its like this,

Ive been looking through cloning methods on RIU.org for a fair while now and have come up with an idea i need feedback on.

Its a possible way to clone without cutting the clone from the plant until rooted.
Would it be possible to cake soil round a branch and wrap it in black plastic with small holes in for watering and air?
That way the plant could support the clone until roots are formed.Then all you would need to do is cut the branch, unwrap it and plant the rooted clone.

To my mind it would save space, maybe time and extra lights for the clone box!

So what do the experienced growers on RIU think could be done to refine the method and do you think, more importantly, that it would work?

any advice appreciated 000
 

Brick Top

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Ive been looking through cloning methods on RIU.org for a fair while now and have come up with an idea i need feedback on.

Its a possible way to clone without cutting the clone from the plant until rooted.
Would it be possible to cake soil round a branch and wrap it in black plastic with small holes in for watering and air?
That way the plant could support the clone until roots are formed.Then all you would need to do is cut the branch, unwrap it and plant the rooted clone.

That is called air layering and is not at all a new idea.
 

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000

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Damn! well it must have sunk in from the thousands of threads ive read over the years! Either way, do any of you people know how hard/easy it is? 000

Edit: nice clones man! rep+, how long does it take to produce a good looking clone like that?
 

Brick Top

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that is a trip...i never would have thought of that. Do you apply a rooting compound to the area?


Air layering was first thought of to clone different types of plants, bushes and trees that are difficult to close and at some point someone who grew herb decided to give it a try and it works. For most strains regular cloning is easy enough but some are a bit more difficult and for then air layering can be the way to go.
 
There are other layering techniques that can be used. A variation of one is something I have suggested to people who grow outside and need to use some stealth tactics but the original concept is to grow roots from a branch and get more plants/clones. You take a branch that is soft and pliable and you bend it down and put it into a trench or into a mound of dirt and hold it in the dirt with something like a ‘U’ shaped piece of plastic or metal and new roots push out. Once that happens you can then cut and move the newly rooted close/plant or in the case of trying to do a stealth thing you just keep bending the new soft growth down and burying part of it in dirt and you end up with a plant that grows laterally besides up but as long as you keep putting more and more branches into the ground you can limit the height and not lose yield.
 
Below is an article with different layering techniques and most can be used for growing herb. The lateral growing technique I mentioned that is a variation of layering/cloning can even be done inside to help keep plants low. It is like LST or at least can be used with LST. You have a row or circle of pots and you just jump from one pot to another each time you put the newer soft pliable growth into the ground. You can go around and around if you want or need to and use each pot several times just by starting near one edge and with each circle you move what you then plant further towards the other side.
 
The question was asked if rooting compound is or should be used and the answer is yes. It is considered to be optional by horticulturists but it does help so my belief is it is a definite yes.

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Stems that are still attached to their parent plant may form roots where they come in contact with a rooting medium. This method of vegetative propagation is generally successful, because water stress is minimized and carbohydrate and mineral nutrient levels are high. The development of roots on a stem while the stem is still attached to the parent plant is called layering. A layer is the rooted stem following detachment (removal) from the parent plant.
Some plants propagate naturally by layering, but sometimes plant propagators assist the process. Layering is enhanced by wounding the stem where the roots are to form. The rooting medium should always provide aeration and a constant supply of moisture.
Types of Layering
Simple layering can be accomplished by bending a low growing, flexible stem to the ground. Cover part of it with soil, leaving the remaining 6 to 12 inches above the soil. Bend the tip into a vertical position and stake in place (Figure 1). The sharp bend will often induce rooting, but wounding the lower side of the bent branch may help also. Simple layering can be done on most plants with low-growing branches. Examples of plants propagated by simple layering include climbing roses, forsythia, rhododendron, honeysuckle, boxwood, azalea, and wax myrtle.
Figure 1.
Simple layering can be done in early spring using a dormant branch, or in late summer using a mature branch. Periodically check for adequate moisture and for the formation of roots. It may take one or more seasons before the layer is ready to be removed for transplanting.
Tip layering is quite similar to simple layering. Dig a hole 3 to 4 inches deep. Insert the tip of a current season’s shoot and cover it with soil. The tip grows downward first, then bends sharply and grows upward. Roots form at the bend. The re-curved tip becomes a new plant (Figure 2). Remove the tip layer and plant it in late fall or early spring. Examples of plants propagated by tip layering include purple and black raspberries, and trailing blackberries.
Figure 2.
Compound (serpentine) layering is similar to simple layering, but several layers can result from a single stem. Bend the stem to the rooting medium as for simple layering, but alternately cover and expose sections of the stem. Each section should have at least one bud exposed and one bud covered with soil. Wound the lower side of each stem section to be covered (Figure 3). This method works well for plants producing vine-like growth such as heart-leaf philodendron, pothos, wisteria, clematis, and grapes.
Figure 3.
Mound (stool) layering is useful with heavy-stemmed, closely branched shrubs and rootstocks of tree fruits. Cut the plant back to 1 inch above the soil surface in the dormant season. Dormant buds will produce new shoots in the spring. Mound soil over the new shoots as they grow (Figure 4). Roots will develop at the bases of the young shoots. Remove the layers in the dormant season. Mound layering works well on apple rootstocks, spirea, quince, daphne, magnolia, and cotoneaster.
Figure 4.
Air layering can be used to propagate large, overgrown house plants such as rubber plant, croton, or dieffenbachia that have lost most of their lower leaves. Woody ornamentals such as azalea, camellia, magnolia, oleander, and holly can also be propagated by air layering. For optimum rooting, make air layers in the spring on shoots produced during the previous season or in mid to late summer on shoots from the current season’s growth. For woody plants, stems of pencil size diameter or larger are best. Choose an area just below a node and remove leaves and twigs on the stem 3 to 4 inches above and below this point. This is normally done on a stem about 1 foot from the tip.
Air layering differs, depending on whether the plant is a monocot or a dicot. For monocots, make an upward 1- to 1 1/2-inch cut about one-third through the stem. The cut is held open with a toothpick or wooden match stick. Surround the wound with moist, unmilled sphagnum moss (about a handful) that has been soaked in water and squeezed to remove excess moisture. Wrap the moss with plastic and hold in place with twist ties or electrician’s tape. No moss should extend beyond the ends of the plastic. Fasten each end of the plastic securely, to retain moisture and to prevent water from entering. If exposed to the sun, the plastic should be covered. Aluminum foil can also be used, as it does not require twist ties or tape to hold it in place.
The process for dicots is similar, except a 1-inch ring of bark is removed from the stem. With a sharp knife, make two parallel cuts about an inch apart around the stem and through the bark and cambium layer (Figure 5). Connect the two parallel cuts with one long cut. Remove the ring of bark, leaving the inner woody tissue exposed. Scrape the newly bared ring to remove the cambial tissue to prevent a bridge of callus tissue from forming. Application of a root-promoting substance to the exposed wound is sometimes beneficial. Wrap and cover using the same procedure as that described for monocots.
Figure 5.
After the rooting medium is filled with roots, sever the stem below the medium and pot the layer. The new plant will usually require some pampering until the root system becomes more developed. Provide shade and adequate moisture until the plant is well established.
Natural Forms of Layering
Sometimes layering occurs naturally, without the assistance of a propagator. Runners and offsets are specialized plant structures that facilitate propagation by layering.
A runner produces new shoots where it touches the growing medium (Figure 6). Plants that produce stolons or runners are propagated by severing the new plants from their parent stems. Plantlets at the tips of runners may be rooted while still attached to the parent or detached and placed in a rooting medium. Examples include strawberry and spider plant.
Figure 6.
Plants with rosetted stems often reproduce by forming new shoots, called offshoots, at their base or in the leaf axles. Sever the new shoots from the parent plant after they have developed their own root systems. Unrooted offsets of some species may be removed and placed in a rooting medium. Some of these must be cut off, whereas others may simply be lifted from the parent stem. Examples include date palm, bromeliads, and many cacti.
For Further Reading
  • Bryant, G. 1995. Propagation Handbook. Stackpole Books: Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania.
  • Dirr, M. A. and C. W. Heuser, Jr. 1987. The Reference Manual of Woody Plant Propagation: From Seed to Tissue Culture. Varsity Press: Athens, Georgia.
  • Hartmann, H. T., D. E. Kester, F. T. Davies and R. L. Geneve. 1996. Plant Propagation, Principles and Practices. 6th ed. Prentice Hall: Upper Saddle River, New Jersey.
  • McMillan Browse, P. D. A. 1978. Plant Propagation. Simon and Schuster: New York.
  • Toogood, A. 1993. Plant Propagation Made Easy. Timber Press: Portland, Oregon.
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xxXREBELXxx

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its called air laying lol and you use alummum foil (never tryed plastic so idk) no holes just scrape the spot with a knife put soil in foil rap it around the spot . and just make sure you keep the soil damp . un do foil to see how much of a root ball you have . then when its nice and thick cut below root ball and plant in a pot works well with trees to .
 

LowEnder

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So basicly you could take a plant and split it into two plants. Seems like a great cure for a plant that has grown too tall.

- Has anyone tried using a rockwool cube, split so that it could be wrapped around the stem, then put some plastic wrap around it to keep the moister in?
- How long does this usually take and is it something that can normally be relied on, like clones? Might be something to consider rather than setting up a cloning chamber, just make rooted clones off the mother.
 

clouds

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wow i started this to day to see if it would work just to find this sweet i guess im not so crazy thinking there has to be a ez way to clone trying with rockwool 2 so i will let you know if it works out
 

xxXREBELXxx

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So basicly you could take a plant and split it into two plants. Seems like a great cure for a plant that has grown too tall.

- Has anyone tried using a rockwool cube, split so that it could be wrapped around the stem, then put some plastic wrap around it to keep the moister in?
- How long does this usually take and is it something that can normally be relied on, like clones? Might be something to consider rather than setting up a cloning chamber, just make rooted clones off the mother.

yes you could split a plant in to two im sure , but most of the time you just use a side shoot like with cloneing . as for rockwool never tryed it my self so i dont know . the time it takes depends on what kind of plant you doing it to but its pertty fast eatherway , hell a hardwood tree only takes like 3 weeks or so .so mj will do it perty fast.and it allmost allways works .
 

kwaka80

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lol i guess not... seems like a good idea though... im going to be looking into that/...

Cheers kwaka
 
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