A few questions before I switch to flower...

hello! I am thinking of switching to flower here in the next 2 weeks. Most of my plants are between 12-14" tall right now and the maximum height that my plants can be in my grow area would be 34-36" leaving 20" from the top of my canopy to the bottom of my light hood. To allow for them to stretch 2-2.5x their height during flower. I have read that the White Cookies can triple their height so may require a little lst during flower. The purple kush and white widow Im allowing them to double or slightly more for the widows.
I am going to transplant into their final 5 gallon smart pots this week.
How long should I allow them to recover after the transplant before I begin flipping to 12/12? About a week? Would it be in my best interest to do a flush before flipping as well? Im currently using Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro and Protekt, then Bloom for flower along with maybe something like terpinator or another additive mid-late flower.
Do you guys think my timeframe seems ok? Or would I be ok letting them veg a bit longer?

Btw... The two seedlings and the smallest in the center front ill probably put out in another room under a t5 until they are ready.

well, what I say is, you gotta do what you gotta do to stay within that height. My grown room is even shorter than that, I want to say its around 30", and I low stress trained everything to keep it super low. A lot of my branches are almost horizontal, but it seems like you don't have too much room in there for them to grow out. I bought 3 gallon rubbermaid containers at walmart because they were shorter as well, so that gave me a couple extra inches. Here's a pic of my grow, from the dirt to the top of the plant is only about 12"-15". I never flushed either.

on second thought, if you do take out those center ones that would give you some more room to low stress train

KushyMcKush said:

To allow for them to stretch 2-2.5x their height during flower. I have read that the White Cookies can triple their height so may require a little lst during flower. The purple kush and white widow Im allowing them to double or slightly more for the widows.

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Aren't those plants topped? Topped plants grow more bushy than tall.

KushyMcKush said:

How long should I allow them to recover after the transplant before I begin flipping to 12/12? About a week?

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Yeah but really I like to see the plant actively reaching for the light again.

KushyMcKush said:

Would it be in my best interest to do a flush before flipping as well? Im currently using Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro and Protekt, then Bloom for flower along with maybe something like terpinator or another additive mid-late flower.

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No don't flush without a major cause. And don't switch to bloom nutrients for the first couple of weeks either, this is known as the transition period.

KushyMcKush said:

Do you guys think my timeframe seems ok? Or would I be ok letting them veg a bit longer?

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For a 1K lamp? You are already running out of space. Wait, how many flowering lights are you using I didn't find it when I scrolled up.

MeJuana said:

Aren't those plants topped? Topped plants grow more bushy than tall.


Yeah but really I like to see the plant actively reaching for the light again.

No don't flush without a major cause. And don't switch to bloom nutrients for the first couple of weeks either, this is known as the transition period.

For a 1K lamp? You are already running out of space. Wait, how many flowering lights are you using I didn't find it when I scrolled up.

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Yes, they have all been topped, 2 of them have been topped twice, the 2 large ones on the right are at 7 weeks and have been topped 3-4 times, lst'd, supercropped, defoliated... Lol. I understand that they will not grow as tall as if they were not tooped, but won't they still stretch once flipped? Should I still account for about double the height from the time of the flip? I think I may just leave them and not top anymore but continue to lst.
The room is 16ft2, but 3.5' x 4.5' so essentially a 4x4. Im mainly worried about bushing them out too mich and running out of floor space. Ive read they also continue to grow horizontally once in flowering as well, not only vertically. Im figuring in about 2 more weeks they could be ready, but I will judge this once Im at this point obviously.

Im running a 315w lec for this room. I do have a 1000w hps though that I could swap it out for if needed. I would just need to do some minor construction cutting holes for the intake/exhaust ducting, as well as buy an inline fan and dial in tenps again. Im kind of interrested in seeing what the 315w alone will produce for me. I also have the option of putting the 1000w hps in a second room and flowering half the plants in each room which will produce more yield, I know, but again will require some extra constructions and basically building another grow room. My other concern is electricity. I am trying to keep this cost down as much as possible, which is why the 315 appeed to me in the first place.
My last option would be to just swap out the 315 for the 1000w and that would help increase yield if I just wanted to use the current area. I am interested to see what the 315 alone will do though.

WorktheSystem said:

on second thought, if you do take out those center ones that would give you some more room to low stress train

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I have considered this as well. I might just continue lst and fill up more of my horizontal space. I guess I just wanted some opinions. The room in filling out nicely so I could continue this, and then once I almost at capacity I can let them grow vertically for another week or 2 and then flower.

ya it's really up to you, and how much room you want to be able to move around. My space is a little tight, and i need to move each girl every time i water, but i'd rather have it like that, then tiny plants, or height issues. I think you'll know when the time is right. I have about 2 weeks left on flowering and i still adjusted a couple stems this week to drop them down a couple inches.

KushyMcKush said:

hello! I am thinking of switching to flower here in the next 2 weeks. Most of my plants are between 12-14" tall right now and the maximum height that my plants can be in my grow area would be 34-36" leaving 20" from the top of my canopy to the bottom of my light hood. To allow for them to stretch 2-2.5x their height during flower. I have read that the White Cookies can triple their height so may require a little lst during flower. The purple kush and white widow Im allowing them to double or slightly more for the widows.
I am going to transplant into their final 5 gallon smart pots this week.
How long should I allow them to recover after the transplant before I begin flipping to 12/12? About a week? Would it be in my best interest to do a flush before flipping as well? Im currently using Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro and Protekt, then Bloom for flower along with maybe something like terpinator or another additive mid-late flower.
Do you guys think my timeframe seems ok? Or would I be ok letting them veg a bit longer?

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FP and ProTekt will run you from seed to harvest, no need to switch to "bloom" food, unless you want yellowing from lack of nitrogen. I would suggest adding Floralicious Plus to those two in order to bring out flavor and smell. It's expensive, but only takes 1ml/gallon all through flower. I think it's still cheaper than terpinator...

As a first time grower I think its partly the anticipation to start flowering and impatience, and partly that I don't fully know what to expect as far as how much they will stretch and continue horizontal growth in that flowering period. Your right though, I can always bend them over a bit or tie them down if I feel they are getting too tall. As you said, Ill know when the time is right, Im just trying to plan ahead a little so they don't get too oit of control in this small space.

SamsonsRiddle said:

FP and ProTekt will run you from seed to harvest, no need to switch to "bloom" food, unless you want yellowing from lack of nitrogen. I would suggest adding Floralicious Plus to those two in order to bring out flavor and smell. It's expensive, but only takes 1ml/gallon all through flower. I think it's still cheaper than terpinator...

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Oh really?? Ive seen this mentioned while I was doing research on dyna-grow before settling on it as the one I wanted to use, but it seems like most use the bloom anyways. But maybe that was because they were using Grow andnor foliage pro? You think I shouldn't use the Bloom at all or maybe just once or twice for the extra P? Ill look into the Floralicious Plus!

Yeah they will grow upwards still but it is split across multiple shoots so some of that upward energy will be spread out but thinking of the strains I bet you are right on the final height. But what I was really getting at it is they will get huge sideways too, branches over the other and it would be a stretch for the 1K. (When the plants get bigger) I was even thinking if you were going to grow another 2 weeks you might want to clean up the bottoms at some point for a little stall and redistribution of foliage to the top. More to the point get the very low stuff out of the way so you can water them because it is going to be a jungle. (Please realize I have no side view photo, maybe the very bottom stalk is already cleaned up. I meant if it isn't already.)

MeJuana said:

Yeah they will grow upwards still but it is split across multiple shoots so some of that upward energy will be spread out but thinking of the strains I bet you are right on the final height. But what I was really getting at it is they will get huge sideways too, branches over the other and it would be a stretch for the 1K. (When the plants get bigger) I was even thinking if you were going to grow another 2 weeks you might want to clean up the bottoms at some point for a little stall and redistribution of foliage to the top. More to the point get the very low stuff out of the way so you can water them because it is going to be a jungle. (Please realize I have no side view photo, maybe the very bottom stalk is already cleaned up. I meant if it isn't already.)

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Heres a view from the front. I have been trimming up some of the bottom foliage a bit recently but man it comes back fast. I did lolipop the large purple kush in the back as an expiriment, Ill get a side view later. It turned out very very nice, but Im not goong to do it to any of the others. I think Ill keep the bottoms trimmed up as I have been. I use a big pump up weed sprayer for all my watering as it makes it much easier to get down under all the plants. I think if I just let them grow naturally from here out, no more topping, Ill be good to start flower in 2, maybe 3 weeks here. Especially once I transplant they will start growing much faster. I will continue some lst here and there to allow some of the side shoots to catch up to the tops, but for the most part they already have and the canopy is pretty even so far.

I don't see another photo but anyway it sounds like you really have it thought out and the plants do look beautiful. It is hard to gauge size versus space through a photo but it will be interesting to see how those plants fill out. I think even if they get so big you have to add the 315 + 1000 or split rooms like you said it would be past mid flowering.

KushyMcKush said:

Oh really?? Ive seen this mentioned while I was doing research on dyna-grow before settling on it as the one I wanted to use, but it seems like most use the bloom anyways. But maybe that was because they were using Grow andnor foliage pro? You think I shouldn't use the Bloom at all or maybe just once or twice for the extra P? Ill look into the Floralicious Plus!

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In container growing, like you are doing, the plant we love needs an NPK of 3-1-2 or 3-1-3 all the way through. Hydro is a different story.

Here's an idea, go ahead and do one of each - one where you give it the bloom food and one where you don't. Report back if there is any noticeable difference.

MeJuana said:

I don't see another photo but anyway it sounds like you really have it thought out and the plants do look beautiful. It is hard to gauge size versus space through a photo but it will be interesting to see how those plants fill out. I think even if they get so big you have to add the 315 + 1000 or split rooms like you said it would be past mid flowering.

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Oops haha I was going to post this photo below, but once I looked at it more its really not that great of a shot anyways so I deleted it and forgot to edit the text. It was also taken last week so they've grown ~2" since this anyways.

SamsonsRiddle said:

In container growing, like you are doing, the plant we love needs an NPK of 3-1-2 or 3-1-3 all the way through. Hydro is a different story.

Here's an idea, go ahead and do one of each - one where you give it the bloom food and one where you don't. Report back if there is any noticeable difference.

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Great Idea!! I probably will do the bloom on 1-2 plants and the rest just continue with the FP.

So... Just In the last 2 days they have all grown 1-2" each. Im definitely thinking one more week... 2 weeks MAX I will need to initiate 12-12 and begin flowering. Based on current growth rates,, in 2 weeks or less most of them will be around 16"-18" in height. The shorter ones will be roughly 14"-16" which would put a final height around 32"+ depending on individual strain. This will put me roughly exactly where I need to be for final height.
Here are a few pics taken just a few minutes ago. Some look a bit droopy because I was a few days past due on watering due to family cisiting and not being able to get out there without drawing attention. I gave them a good watering about an hour before these were taken and they already look much better. Im currently doing a feeding schedule of nutes > water > water > nutes. 5ml Foliage Pro + 2.5ml Pro-Tekt per gallon.

Cant wait to see them when they flower