9/11---Betraying our Dead

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Keenly

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American Foreign Policy based on economic expansion has been a dirty side to american politics since the spanish-american war... its an old story, and has got this nation in trouble many times before, including being the chief cause of japan's 1941 attack on pearl harbor, and the american intervention during the closing years of ww1.

As far as the 9/11 attacks being an inside job... thats just plain bullshit, and extremely disrespectful to both the victims and families of the attacks and all the soldiers and there families, on both sides of the conflict.

Did the administration in power at the time put a political 'spin' on the events that followed after 9/11 to gain political support for its own personal agenda? absolutely. were mistakes made? of course. was the whole thing planned and perpetrated by the us govt?? you've got to be kidding me, have you ever been to the post office? ever watch cspan? senators and reps argue over punctuation and wording stalling important bills for months at a time, and if you honestly think that such a plot could be masterminded and put into operation by such a bureaucratic nightmare while maintaining secrecy and then keep it under wraps for 8 years I think you spent too much time watching the xfiles man....

and as far as the starting post in this thread, i have to say i respectfully disagree with almost each and every statement made, and if your going to make assertations like you have, you may want to back it up with some evidence, not just conjecture.. ignorance breeds conflict.

if its so disrespectful to the victims families than why are THEY the ones pushing hardest for a new 9/11 investigation?

you cant explain that can you
 

masterd

Well-Known Member
thats right, they atleast deserve to know the truth, scince there was no real investigtion into the whole thing in the first place and nothing was revised when it was found out to be fake information.......
 
K

Keenly

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thats right, they atleast deserve to know the truth, scince there was no real investigtion into the whole thing in the first place and nothing was revised when it was found out to be fake information.......
the victims families BS is a talking point

anytime they want to make some one look like a cook with no evidence is

"the victims families would be ashamed"

when they are the ones behind the damn movement
 

masterd

Well-Known Member
what was that line i heard a couple of months ago....

"it is wrong sinful and blasphy for you to suggest that the US govt killed 3000 of its own citizens"....

instead of talk about the issue with facts, denouce it and not even bring it up for discussion
 

hanimmal

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Yeah it sucks for the families, and I wish them the best, but I put this in the same vein as the people who constantly want to say that vaccines caused there child's autism, when there is proof after proof that shows it has no merit. It will never be good enough for them.
 

masterd

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:) the differnce is one case still has many factors that are up in the air.... the others been tested....
 

ilkhan

Well-Known Member
Betraying our dead
would be to blindly follow
after policies
that will only make matters
worse in the long run.

We have approximatly 700
military bases in about 130
countries around the world.
We station troops in Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia is considered like holy ground.
They don't want infidels posting garrisons,
In their holy lands.

I can understand that.
I don't want their troops over here.
Why would they want our troop over there?

Bring everyone home
From everywhere.
The world will get along without us.
 

Stoney McFried

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Sure, let's not forget.But let's not make a religion out of it, either.9/11 was a tragedy,sure.But the living have to go on living.
Eight years ago today, our homeland was attacked by fanatical Muslims inspired by Saudi Arabian bigotry. Three thousand American citizens and residents died.
We resolved that we, the People, would never forget. Then we forgot.
We've learned nothing.
What about Christian extremism? Killing terrorists?Do you know you could be considered a terrorist if you illegally grow pot?
Instead of cracking down on Islamist extremism, we've excused it.
Instead of killing terrorists, we free them.
No, Islam isn't the problem.Just like Christianity,the problem is the extremist himself.The problem is the person who thinks it is his duty to impose his interpretation of his religion onto anyone else. Just because we're Americans doesn't mean we can only do good.We should look to ourselves before we look at anyone else.There are some in this country who want women to be free from the veils, but not to choose what they can do with their own body.Is it really freedom if it isn't absolute?
Instead of relentlessly hunting Islamist madmen, we seek to appease them.
Instead of acknowledging that radical Islam is the problem, we elected a president who blames America, whose idea of freedom is the right for women to suffer in silence behind a veil -- and who counts among his mentors and friends those who damn our country or believe that our own government staged the tragedy of September 11, 2001.
Freedom has already been infringed upon by the terrorists in our own government, who would keep us afraid so we will agree to any laws they pass in the name of safety.Are we mocking the individuals in these publications, or are we generalizing it to include the group as a whole?Because THAT'S racism.
Instead of insisting that freedom will not be infringed by terrorist threats, we censor works that might offend mass murderers. Radical Muslims around the world can indulge in viral lies about us, but we dare not even publish cartoons mocking them.
Because profiling is another form of discrimination.
Instead of protecting law-abiding Americans, we reject profiling to avoid offending terrorists. So we confiscate granny's shampoo at the airport because the half-empty container could hold 3.5 ounces of liquid.
Doesn't this fall under that free speech thing adressed earlier? So it's free speech if a white Christian man calls a Muslim a towelhead,but if the Muslim responds by calling him a cracker infidel, that's hatred?
Instead of insisting that Islamist hatred and religious apartheid have no place in our country, we permit the Saudis to continue funding mosques and madrassahs where hating Jews and Christians is preached as essential to Islam.
Yeah.He totally should have held hands with him instead.:lol:
Instead of confronting Saudi hate-mongers, our president bows down to the Saudi king.
Yeah, he could make claims without evidence instead.Weapons of mass destruction, anyone?
Instead of recognizing the Saudi-sponsored Wahhabi cult as the core of the problem, our president blames Israel.
Gosh, because it's our duty to make sure every civilization is just like ours.
Instead of asking why Middle Eastern civilization has failed so abjectly, our president suggests that we're the failures.
Hmm...because threatening to kill a guy's innocent children should be totally allowed.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090824/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_cia_interrogations Torture isn't really torture if it's not an American, right?
Instead of taking every effective measure to cull information from terrorists, the current administration threatens CIA agents with prosecution for keeping us safe.
Instead of moving on with our lives, we keep dredging up a tragedy to use against our own citizens as a tool to cause fear and to strengthen our control.We keep picking at a wound the families of those who died would probably like to be allowed to heal.
Instead of proudly and promptly rebuilding on the site of the Twin Towers, we've committed ourselves to the hopeless, useless task of rebuilding Afghanistan. (Perhaps we should have built a mosque at Ground Zero -- the Saudis would've funded it.)
Suuuuureee....the U.S has never supplied weapons to terrorists.Iran-contra?And don't our citizens also get tortured, raped,murdered and imprisoned?kinda the pot calling the kettle black there.
Instead of taking a firm stand against Islamist fanaticism, we've made a cult of negotiations -- as our enemies pursue nuclear weapons; sponsor terrorism; torture, imprison, rape and murder their own citizens -- and laugh at us.

Canada

The Sons of Freedom, a sect of Doukhobor anarchists, have protested nude, blown up power pylons, railroad bridges, and set fire to homes, often targeting their own property.[5]

India

The National Liberation Front of Tripura, a rebel group operating in Tripura, North-East India classified by the National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism as one of the ten most active terrorist groups in the world, has been accused of forcefully converting people to Christianity.[6][7][8]
The Nagaland Rebels of Nagaland, North-East India is a coalition of rebel groups including the National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah, has been involved in an ethnic conflict that has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths since the Indian Declaration of Independence.[9]

Ireland

Several people have stated that the religious divide between Roman Catholics and Protestants was a contributing factor to The Troubles:
Mark Juergensmeyer wrote "Like residents of Belfast and London, Americans were beginning to learn to live with acts of religious terrorism: shocking, disturbing incidents of violence laced with the passion of religion - in these cases, Christianity" and "The violence in Northern Ireland is justified by still other theological positions, Catholic and Protestant." and "The ferocity of religious violence was brought home to me in 1998 when I received the news that a car bomb had exploded in a Belfast neighborhood I had visited the day before. This is from wiki, so I'm sure you'll attack the source, but the truth is, you could find it on other sites as well.Because Christianity is also a religion of peace.Hence the bombs.
Instead of insisting that Islam must become a religion of responsibility, our leaders in both parties continue to bleat that "Islam's a religion of peace," ignoring the curious absence of Baptist suicide bombers.
Uh huh.Because bombing an abortion clinic doesn't kill women or deny them the freedom to decide whether they want to reproduce or not. This country is supposed to be about individuality, not conformist pack mentality.I suppose white power isn't bigotry...that's just good old boys raisin' a little hell, right?
Instead of requiring new immigrants to integrate into our society and conform to its public values, we encourage and subsidize anti-American, woman-hating, freedom-denying bigotry in the name of toleration.
For torturing them.Because its wrong.Just because they may have committed a crime doesn't mean we've got the right to take their humanity away in order to gather information.
Instead of pursuing our enemies to the ends of the earth, we help them sue us.
Right!Because 9/11 was essential to ensure the Patriot Act could be passed so swiftly!How long can we milk other's suffering so we can further our own agenda?
We've dishonored our dead and whitewashed our enemies. A distinctly unholy alliance between fanatical Islamists abroad and a politically correct "elite" in the US has reduced 9/11 to the status of a non-event, a day for politicians to preen about how little they've done.
No, we haven't forgotten.Since this terrible tragedy occured,we have heard it daily for eight years.It's been cheapened by those who seek to use it to get a lever over the people of this country.It's been reduced to a guilt trip.
We've forgotten the shock and the patriotic fury Americans felt on that bright September morning eight years ago. We've forgotten our identification with fellow citizens leaping from doomed skyscrapers. We've forgotten the courage of airline passengers who would not surrender to terror.
No, we haven't done that either.Our first duty is to the living.The dead aren't hurting any more.We owe our children the best life that we can offer them....and that means we have to pick up the pieces and not allow the past to hinder their growth.
We've forgotten the men and women who burned to death or suffocated in the Pentagon. We've forgotten our promises, our vows, our commitments.
We've forgotten what we owe our dead and what we owe our children.
No, we were just misinformed.
We've even forgotten who attacked us.
Yes, we have, but not in the way you imply here.We've betrayed them by using them as a tool to destroy the freedom we take for granted.We've allowed them to be forgotten as individuals,and lumped together in a mass called 9/11,a symbol fearmongering politicians wave before us with one hand while they crumple the Constitution with the other.These people have put lipstick on the dead and made them whores.
We have betrayed the memory of our dead. In doing so, we betrayed ourselves and our country.
Our politicians haven't surrendered...the balance of power has just shifted.The war must end.
Our troops continue to fight -- when they're allowed to do so -- but our politicians have surrendered.
Are we willing to let the terrorists win?
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