9/11---Betraying our Dead

Wavels

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I read several pieces regarding 9/11 today and I felt compelled to share my favorite here.
Wavels:joint:

Betraying our dead Forgetting the vows we made
Posted: 1:13 AM, September 11, 2009



Eight years ago today, our homeland was attacked by fanatical Muslims inspired by Saudi Arabian bigotry. Three thousand American citizens and residents died.
We resolved that we, the People, would never forget. Then we forgot.
We've learned nothing.
Instead of cracking down on Islamist extremism, we've excused it.
Instead of killing terrorists, we free them.
Instead of relentlessly hunting Islamist madmen, we seek to appease them.
Instead of acknowledging that radical Islam is the problem, we elected a president who blames America, whose idea of freedom is the right for women to suffer in silence behind a veil -- and who counts among his mentors and friends those who damn our country or believe that our own government staged the tragedy of September 11, 2001.
Instead of insisting that freedom will not be infringed by terrorist threats, we censor works that might offend mass murderers. Radical Muslims around the world can indulge in viral lies about us, but we dare not even publish cartoons mocking them.
Instead of protecting law-abiding Americans, we reject profiling to avoid offending terrorists. So we confiscate granny's shampoo at the airport because the half-empty container could hold 3.5 ounces of liquid.
Instead of insisting that Islamist hatred and religious apartheid have no place in our country, we permit the Saudis to continue funding mosques and madrassahs where hating Jews and Christians is preached as essential to Islam.
Instead of confronting Saudi hate-mongers, our president bows down to the Saudi king.
Instead of recognizing the Saudi-sponsored Wahhabi cult as the core of the problem, our president blames Israel.
Instead of asking why Middle Eastern civilization has failed so abjectly, our president suggests that we're the failures.
Instead of taking every effective measure to cull information from terrorists, the current administration threatens CIA agents with prosecution for keeping us safe.
Instead of proudly and promptly rebuilding on the site of the Twin Towers, we've committed ourselves to the hopeless, useless task of rebuilding Afghanistan. (Perhaps we should have built a mosque at Ground Zero -- the Saudis would've funded it.)
Instead of taking a firm stand against Islamist fanaticism, we've made a cult of negotiations -- as our enemies pursue nuclear weapons; sponsor terrorism; torture, imprison, rape and murder their own citizens -- and laugh at us.
Instead of insisting that Islam must become a religion of responsibility, our leaders in both parties continue to bleat that "Islam's a religion of peace," ignoring the curious absence of Baptist suicide bombers.
Instead of requiring new immigrants to integrate into our society and conform to its public values, we encourage and subsidize anti-American, woman-hating, freedom-denying bigotry in the name of toleration.
Instead of pursuing our enemies to the ends of the earth, we help them sue us.
We've dishonored our dead and whitewashed our enemies. A distinctly unholy alliance between fanatical Islamists abroad and a politically correct "elite" in the US has reduced 9/11 to the status of a non-event, a day for politicians to preen about how little they've done.
We've forgotten the shock and the patriotic fury Americans felt on that bright September morning eight years ago. We've forgotten our identification with fellow citizens leaping from doomed skyscrapers. We've forgotten the courage of airline passengers who would not surrender to terror.
We've forgotten the men and women who burned to death or suffocated in the Pentagon. We've forgotten our promises, our vows, our commitments.
We've forgotten what we owe our dead and what we owe our children. We've even forgotten who attacked us.
We have betrayed the memory of our dead. In doing so, we betrayed ourselves and our country. Our troops continue to fight -- when they're allowed to do so -- but our politicians have surrendered.
Are we willing to let the terrorists win?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/betraying_our_dead_H6T95r1BTCnkC1UbEdUfsO
 

jrh72582

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I respectfully disagree with almost every opinion made. I think 9/11 should inspire us to look into our past as a nation and to gauge where we would like to see ourselves in the future. We should seek recompense for the hypocrisies and evils on our account.
 
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Keenly

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Google defines terrorism as

the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious




so, according to this definition

the U.S. Government are terrorists

Christianity is a terroristic religion (hell sounds pretty violent to me)

police are terrorists






basically, what i have gathered from your post, is that you want to kill everyone who falls into this terrorist category...


that makes YOU a terrorist for wanting to kill people that disagree with you....


we dont need another 9/11 thread... keep to the one thread at hand
 

Wavels

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Yikes!

I wish to destroy the avowed enemies of my country. The world is a brutal, harsh, nasty place and history is replete with those who preferred to ignore or accommodate bellicose threats. Most practitioners of accommodation suffered dire and deadly consequences.

Self defense is a moral imperative.

What do you think will happen if or when this nation is attacked again?
 

NoDrama

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Self defense is a moral imperative.

Running all over the world killing brown Muslims with armies is not self defense.

And another thing, just because people find the events that happened that day smelling of conspiracy does not make them friends nor mentors of Obama.
 
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Keenly

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do you think we have not been attacked again because our security is so good?

do you think we have not been attacked again because the feds are protecting us?

no...
 

Wavels

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^^^
Do you think we have not been attacked again because our avowed enemies do not want to???
 
K

Keenly

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^^^
Do you think we have not been attacked again because our avowed enemies do not want to???
oh you mean government sponsored terror?

did you know the U.S. created al-CIAda?




there is no reason for a false flag attack at the moment because the sheeple are flowing along smoothly

all of it is changing with the number of protests happening even today

people are not going to take this shit anymore

no more false flags

no more lies
 

Wavels

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^^^
Oh, I see, your perception is that the USA is indeed the party responsible for the barbaric acts of 9/11!

I respectfully and vehemently disagree.

If I believed that my country of birth could possibly have perpetrated this type of heinous and depraved act, I would have moved out of the US, never to return.
 

Wordz

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^^^
Oh, I see, your perception is that the USA is indeed the party responsible for the barbaric acts of 9/11!

I respectfully and vehemently disagree.

If I believed that my country of birth could possibly have perpetrated this type of heinous and depraved act, I would have moved out of the US, never to return.
what's worse 2976 deaths from September 11th or 220,000 from the Us dropping bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki?
 

Wavels

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^^^
Sorry, but IMHO, 9/11 was infinitely worse.
There is no basis for a valid comparison.

Japan was asked to surrender, they refused.
Many historians believe that the use of the A- bombs actually saved many lives.
 

hanimmal

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I disagree, why is one innocent life not worth anothers? The people that died in Japan were not only soldiers, they were old people, children, infants, women, regular people that never did a thing to any American.

And if you gauge your response on us telling them to stop, well the same can be said about 9-11, they told us to stop repeatedly, we just did not listen.

I think that the people that are responsible for the attacks on 9-11 should be massacred, but to be here 8 years later and a million dead Iraqis had to pay the price, is irresponsible to say the least.

That being said, I would have dropped the bomb too. In war I would rather swing a jackhammer instead of a scalpel. We cannot win wars without totally destroying the moral and finishing it, otherwise it just ends up with quagmire.

Our military can be surgical, but they are at their best when you allow them to take off the kids gloves and do what they can do best.
 

Wavels

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Hi han,
I find myself in agreement with a majority of your thoughtful post,
however...




And if you gauge your response on us telling them to stop, well the same can be said about 9-11, they told us to stop repeatedly, we just did not listen.

Stop what exactly?
As we were not at the time of 9/11 engaged in war with the Islamic Jihadists I do not see any accuracy in your comparison....We should have simply capitulated to the demands of religious fanatics afflicted with blood lust???
Wavels:leaf:
 

hanimmal

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I did not say it was right or wrong or that we should have or have not of listened, but that they did say for us to stop.

We have been very involved in the middle east since they discovered oil. We have at one point or another been involed in several 'military' activities, killings, ect. That was what they were telling us to stop. I don't think that we should obey anyone just because they tell us what to do, but we should at least listen. There may be good reasons, and just doing things in the name of our profitability or wants should not be good enough reason to not listen.
 

masterd

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i talk to americans all the time on the net, and just about all of you have a huge curtain inftront of your eyes, i come from australia, and if guys cant see how 9/11 was an inside job your being ignorant with facts.... what the american gvernt does to the rest of the world is absolutely shocking, some of the shit plainly scares me.... but the scarier shit is what its prepared to do to its own people...
 

IAm5toned

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American Foreign Policy based on economic expansion has been a dirty side to american politics since the spanish-american war... its an old story, and has got this nation in trouble many times before, including being the chief cause of japan's 1941 attack on pearl harbor, and the american intervention during the closing years of ww1.

As far as the 9/11 attacks being an inside job... thats just plain bullshit, and extremely disrespectful to both the victims and families of the attacks and all the soldiers and there families, on both sides of the conflict.

Did the administration in power at the time put a political 'spin' on the events that followed after 9/11 to gain political support for its own personal agenda? absolutely. were mistakes made? of course. was the whole thing planned and perpetrated by the us govt?? you've got to be kidding me, have you ever been to the post office? ever watch cspan? senators and reps argue over punctuation and wording stalling important bills for months at a time, and if you honestly think that such a plot could be masterminded and put into operation by such a bureaucratic nightmare while maintaining secrecy and then keep it under wraps for 8 years I think you spent too much time watching the xfiles man....

and as far as the starting post in this thread, i have to say i respectfully disagree with almost each and every statement made, and if your going to make assertations like you have, you may want to back it up with some evidence, not just conjecture.. ignorance breeds conflict.

"There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare" - Sun Tzu, The Art of War
 

masterd

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i just find it funny how you guys can ignore the facts on 911..... i mean sure it would of been hard to set it all up, but when ur the power above the power(im not talking in th govt ranks here) its easy to get shit done and not leave a trace behind it. the problem is were all just people looking at a picture trying to decide what the artist was drawing.... and in this case the we dont really know who the artist is, nor would hes words be believeable, so were left here to discuss it, it doesnt changed whats happened anywy.... one more false flag attack..... good on ya rockafella, buld the wealth....
 

Wordz

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^^^
Sorry, but IMHO, 9/11 was infinitely worse.
There is no basis for a valid comparison.

Japan was asked to surrender, they refused.
Many historians believe that the use of the A- bombs actually saved many lives.

So all those civilians refused? Japan had already depleted most of their resources by the time the us dropped the bomb. They just wanted to test out the bomb and let everyone know they are the craziest country on earth. Are you aware at all that in countries that the us is in conflict with there are people just trying to survive who are not involved in terrorism and it's not fucking ok to kill hundred civilians to get at one terrorist.
 

masterd

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So all those civilians refused? Japan had already depleted most of their resources by the time the us dropped the bomb. They just wanted to test out the bomb and let everyone know they are the craziest country on earth. Are you aware at all that in countries that the us is in conflict with there are people just trying to survive who are not involved in terrorism and it's not fucking ok to kill hundred civilians to get at one terrorist.

exactly, the us govt and its controling affiliates do not give a fuck about anything else but to secure theyre own lives.. its scary shit
 
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