8 T5s enough?

aubud

Active Member
I just ordered a 4ftx2ftx5ft tent and was wondering if you think that this will be enough for veg/bloom... I cant go MH/HPS cause of head and LED just isnt good enough for the price yet... any ideas?

Link to the Ebay auction
 

smppro

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It can be done, google t5 flowering or t5 grow i know there are some out there, if you are going to do it just make sure you scrog
 

aubud

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It can be done, google t5 flowering or t5 grow i know there are some out there, if you are going to do it just make sure you scrog
I plan on having 4 AK48 + the two plants i have in there, i dont think im gonna scrog though, deff topping though.... Im gonna have 4blue and 4 red lights in there....
As for the HPS its really too expensive, when you factor in vent costs for fans and electricity, unless you have a good deal on a light+fan+ballast+reflector.... ( i have looked just about everywhere!)
 
I plan on having 4 AK48 + the two plants i have in there, i dont think im gonna scrog though, deff topping though.... Im gonna have 4blue and 4 red lights in there....
As for the HPS its really too expensive, when you factor in vent costs for fans and electricity, unless you have a good deal on a light+fan+ballast+reflector.... ( i have looked just about everywhere!)

I was just reading and was wondering if you decided to get the t5. I just got my 1000w hps today and was looking at the t5 for cloning/vegging.
 

TechnoMage

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I've vegged and flower under T5's. I still veg under T5's but I went from over 400w of fluorescent down to a 250w HPS cooltube. I doubled my yield and my temps dropped.
 

strictly seedleSs

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dont make the mistake of thinking T5s dont make heat...they do. You wont get the same quality of buds if you dont use HPS for flowering. I have 16 4' T5 bulbs for vegging, and they get the rooms hot if i dont use an A/C fans to move air around. if your ambient temps outside the room are below 65 F you might be okay.
 

smppro

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I plan on having 4 AK48 + the two plants i have in there, i dont think im gonna scrog though, deff topping though.... Im gonna have 4blue and 4 red lights in there....
As for the HPS its really too expensive, when you factor in vent costs for fans and electricity, unless you have a good deal on a light+fan+ballast+reflector.... ( i have looked just about everywhere!)
have you tested them yet? All lights put off heat, that many t5 will get a room pretty hot.
 

Leilani Garden

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Me three. The T5 HO does get hot. In fact, that is what I 'm on here for tonight: to find info about those lights. I'm having a heck of a time with the heat and looks like I'm going to have to rebuild the exhaust system I had with the HPS. Shit.

From what I've been told by experienced growers is that the T5 can DEFINITELY grow very good bud, and the plus is that the light is dispersed better, so you can get more plants under it. I just had not planned on all this heat. I don't think it's as much heat as I had with the HPS, but I could be wrong.

THey will produce enough heat that you will have to use exhaust and fans anyway. Lemme tell you, I'm not at all happy with the idea of spending MY Saturday night rebuilding the frigging exhaust system I thought I would no longer need.

Also, you've got to get the plants very close to the light. I've made that mistake too and my plants are so stunted I had to order new seeds. Really irked about all of this.

But if you do a search, you'll find a thread with some very impressive piccture of what someone has produced with T5 HO's. Eight bulbs, four feet. Very good results.
 

TechnoMage

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The problem with T5's is that you have both the heat of the bulb but you also have the heat of the ballast. With most HPS systems the ballast is remote from the bulbs so you can stick it outside of your grow area if you're using a tent or cab. A HPS bulb while putting out more heat is easier to cool with something like a cooltube, don't really have the same option with T5's. Finally, you're going to need more watts with a T5 system to than you would need with an HPS.

That's why I saw a temp drop when I switched from T5's to an HPS in my flower cab.
 

Leilani Garden

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I think I agree with everything but the last point made by TechnoMage.

I've just finished installing the same exhaust system that I had with my 400 HPS, and the temps are still hovering around 85 to 90 with one door open. A little lower with both open. When I had the HPS in there, it wasn't a cool tube, but an air cooled light, and I did have temp problems, but not this high unless the exhaust ducting fell (which happened more times than I care to remember... hence trying T5 this time). I am not going to blow more money on a light at this point, so I'm going to have tinker with cooling this thing off some more. MORE frigging fans, damn it.

God awmighty, this has got to be the absolute worst part of building a grow room, keeping the temps in check. The first time I did it was last November, so I could open the window to that room during the cooler months and that would help a lot with the temps. But then . . . sometimes it would get too cold. I remember once seeing the thermometer go to fifty-something degrees. That defintely affects your yield. It's been one heck of a frustrating adventure, lemme tell you.

Just before I got back online now to see if anyone had commented and I could learn something it did occur to me that with the air cooled HPS, the fan was at least pulling hot air from the bulb, which was separated from the plants by glass. So yes, the HPS does generate more heat, I'm sure, but you can keep at least some of it in that glass chamber, with air temp air running across it, being taken out by the fan system.

Not so with the T5. I was just wondering before I read this: Is there some way for me to put something, some glass chamber or something that I can pull air through, to keep the heat from this ballast and the liglhts themselves from creating such heat??/

Now, look at that. Just as I am writing this, I'm thinking: SCREW IT. I'm so sick of rebuilding grow rooms as I am growing, that I want to go buy a cool tube, maybe a 600 watt this time, and just start it all over again, but without all the jerry rigging that I am now doing.

If it's money that is bugging me (and you), think of all the TIME that you spend as well as the money spent on things like this fan, that one, this new experiement, etc. Maybe these T5's just need to be reworked somehow.

I was also looking for info online elsewhere about this issue. There's not much here on rip and there's not much online except for advertisements to buy the things. It seems like every single one of those ads claims: AND NO HEAT PROBLEMS. That's just not true. I'm having more problems with heat than I did with the HPS.

THis lamp cost me $250 from a seller on ebay, and it's less than what I've seen the same lamp for other places. I'm just not convinced at this point that the good things about the T5 are worth this hassle.

One thing I do disagree with the previous poster, although I don't think it's giving me much solace tonight, is that you need more watts. I do NOT have an electrician's or a scientist's understanding on this, so forgive me if I am wrong. That said, I do not believe you need more watts, becauase allegedly the T5 puts out more lumens per watt than the HPS does. I can't follow all the technical jargon very well, but from what I've read and what I've been told by very experienced growers, these things put out more light that can be used by the plants per watt.

If I'm wrong, I'm more than happy be disabused.

I"m so blasted ticked off right now, thinking of a few hundred in perfectly good seeds that have been destroyed by the heat this thing puts out.

And here is the really dumb blonde part: I did not even have a thermometer in there until just now. I foolishly believed the advertisting, and figured: well, you know, yeah, it's warm in there, maybe even hot, but it's not THAT hot.

Oh yes it was. It's definitely getting cooled more now than it had been before I hooked up the exhaust, and it's still too hot for growing healthy plants.

I'm mad at myself right now. So if ya'll don't mind, I'm going to go kick my ass and then, well, see what i do have left to smoke. I'd go smash the fucking thing to smithereens right now, but I don't want to deal with the mercury. Well, that and I'm thinking that I will find a way to cool it off.

For right now, the temps are lowered to about 85 with the one door open, but I want them closed to keep all the light on the plants.

Grrrrrr. I wish I'd never given away my HPS and never decided to try the T5.

If it all somehow works out, I'll be sure to let you know. For now, I'm pissed off and frustrated. Sure, they put out a LOT of light compared to the 400 HPS, but that god awful heat is really something to contend with. And my money's been flushed down the drain with the heat stunting my plants due to heat. NO WONDER they kept drying out so badly. It was like the Sahara Desert in there.

Please. Someone comfort me!
 

TechnoMage

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I think I agree with everything but the last point made by TechnoMage.

One thing I do disagree with the previous poster, although I don't think it's giving me much solace tonight, is that you need more watts. I do NOT have an electrician's or a scientist's understanding on this, so forgive me if I am wrong. That said, I do not believe you need more watts, becauase allegedly the T5 puts out more lumens per watt than the HPS does. I can't follow all the technical jargon very well, but from what I've read and what I've been told by very experienced growers, these things put out more light that can be used by the plants per watt.

If I'm wrong, I'm more than happy be disabused.
Sorry to disabuse you. :)
A 4' 54w T5 bulb produces ~5,000 lumens.
8x54w=432w
8x5,000=40,000 lumens

A 400w HPS bulb produces ~50,000 lumens.

The heat may be spread out over a larger area, which is why you can keep the bulbs so close to the top of the plants, but it still exist.
 
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oasis515

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btw if you get a weill designed t-5 unit the heat is no where near comperable to a 400w HPS system. I can keep them around 4 inches away from the plants with a fan blowing and have absolutely no issues.
 

Leilani Garden

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btw if you get a weill designed t-5 unit the heat is no where near comperable to a 400w HPS system. I can keep them around 4 inches away from the plants with a fan blowing and have absolutely no issues.
What lamp; are you using, Oasis? I realize this thread is old but maybe it'll show up in your favorites.

THIRTY GRAMS off of one auto flower? Under a T5? That's quite a lot, even for an HID light with those plants. Like, a WHOLE lot.

Thanks for the info Tech Mang. I do appreciate it.

I believe I am done with my T5 experiment. It was fun and interesting and all that, lol, but right now, my plants are about the same size they were ten days ago when I posted this info. And... ta da! I think I've got the world's smallest ever flowering plant: it is about three inches tall and flowering! How marvelous!

That was an interesting science experiment. Hmm, wondering if I ought to let my child take this into school for hte science fair which is coming up soon!

Well, maybe not, but if there were any horticulture types, it certainly would present an interesting case, right?

thanks again for all the info.
 

razoredge

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wow.. I have never had heat problems with my T5's.. they run so cold that I sold off all 14 of my 1ks to switch over.. no joke, As of now i am running 6 of the 8 bulb HO 54watt bulbs at 208 volt and it only pulls 1.8 amp each and doesnt put shit for heat, I am really happy with the T5's and its super easy to control the temps and squat the lights down to 2 inches above the babys.. and with only 6 of the 8 bulb t5's I have 128 3 gallons under them..
 
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