7 days of dark. The final flush.

MJstudent

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Maybe he should have started with a before and after pic instead of just an after pic in the original post. May have added some more credibility to his claims. After shots are all weve seen in this thread, nothing prior. Boasting and only showing the results with no preface to the grow just makes it more forum hype...besides the actual scientific studies provided by some.....
the only reason that before pics are taken is to show how bad it was, but hes not showing us how it can change shit bud to chronic hes showing that with the right cycle and regimen, along with an ice flsh and darkness thats what can be produced. it probly wasnt a crap bud to start, but according to him it did help. so if he pulled off a dope nug, and hes been doing the work im going to trust him to watch them as tthey grow and hopefully have an idea of what made the diference.
 

OGEvilgenius

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But what do you mean, could you please explain?
They have been bred for their color, not their potency. The strongest purple strains (with rare exceptions like a true Purple Haze aquired from growing out thousands of seeds that you will likely never ever find for sale anywhere given the nature of that plant) are weaker than the strongest green strains as a result, of course this is being fairly broad and general and genetically a lot of things are possible.
 

OGEvilgenius

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Thanks for the informative post 5KJ. I am gonna try a variation on your technique in the next few weeks, I use a lot of the same nutes as you and have a couple nice NL5's at about 5 weeks flower. Don't worry about the haters, some people just lurk and wait and LURK waiting to pounce on any thread that says anything that might get a few hits and starts flaming in the hope that people will +rep his prickishness. And Yes! I knew you would guess that by some people I mean Harrekin
Except that Harrekin is dropping some serious knowledge, even if he's not being overly nice about it. I suggest you check out the link he provided.... Brick Top is probably one of the most informed posters on this site. Guy knows his shit and is well respected in the community. It's not really about shitting on someone, it's about getting accurate information out there.
 

OGEvilgenius

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By the way, if 5000's technique works for him - more power to him, but it's not the best or most efficient way to do it as far as everything I have ever read indicates. It will however save you on light (although not much point going past 3 days he oculd probably crop out a bit more if he went only 3 days) and nutes.
 

Harrekin

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Except that Harrekin is dropping some serious knowledge, even if he's not being overly nice about it. I suggest you check out the link he provided.... Brick Top is probably one of the most informed posters on this site. Guy knows his shit and is well respected in the community. It's not really about shitting on someone, it's about getting accurate information out there.
Really tried to be nice at the start, but being told you're an "idiot" and "know nothing about plants" for trying to dispel myths with fact tends to get one "riled up".
 

OGEvilgenius

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I dont usually agree with this dude but he is right. THC is at its highest point when the trichs are cloudy. Amber trichs means that the THC is breaking down to CBD.
CBN. CBD is a finished product like THC. CBN has some psychoactive effect, CBD is not known to have any, although it does effect other cannabinoids psychoactivity profile.
 

OGEvilgenius

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Really tried to be nice at the start, but being told you're an "idiot" and "know nothing about plants" for trying to dispel myths with fact tends to get one "riled up".
Oh, fair enough, I kind of jumped into the middle of this. I like discussions like this where knowledge is dropped though. If you wanna learn a lot about pot and botany, just read all of Brick Top's posts...
 

Kite High

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If you understand the life cycle of a MJ plant this makes perfect sense. Trichomes are simply a tool that the plant uses to catch pollen to reproduce. The later in the season the more the plant produces to try to reproduce before the season ends and the plant doesnt carry on its purpose. When you put the plants in darkness it sends a message to the plant that the season is coming to an end and thus it is losing its opportunity to reproduce. Thus it makes more sticky trichomes in an effort for a last ditch effort to catch pollen before it dies.
There ae NO trichomes on the pistilate so how could attaching the pollen to a portion of the plant that does not cause reproduction help?
 

canniboss

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I generally like to look at all of the info provided and draw a conclusion from that. I happen to think that a flush or two just before harvest is a good thing, and 2-3 solid days of darkness for tricomb production makes a heck of a lot of sense when I think about it. If that makes me an idiot or a noob oh well.
 

KUShSOurSMOKEr

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I generally like to look at all of the info provided and draw a conclusion from that. I happen to think that a flush or two just before harvest is a good thing, and 2-3 solid days of darkness for tricomb production makes a heck of a lot of sense when I think about it. If that makes me an idiot or a noob oh well.
foreal i dont understand this idiots who say they dont see results from the 3 day dark i did it and on the first day i noticed more frost a little bit but by the third day a haf of inch of frost had built up on my leafs by the buds ALOT! so i will always do this... even more frost then i thot i would get that harvest(APOLLO 11)
 

RL420

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foreal i dont understand this idiots who say they dont see results from the 3 day dark i did it and on the first day i noticed more frost a little bit but by the third day a haf of inch of frost had built up on my leafs by the buds ALOT! so i will always do this... even more frost then i thot i would get that harvest(APOLLO 11)

have you done no dark period? I mean how do you know that the darkness is doing it and not the extra 3 days?
 

KUShSOurSMOKEr

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have you done no dark period? I mean how do you know that the darkness is doing it and not the extra 3 days?
fuck ya and it didnt compare.bro ive been told from many many many experienced growers and seen results and done it myself .

go ahead and leave ur shit normal 12/12 or whatever the fuck u do and enjoy that smoke

if anyone doesnt think the dark at the end works ur a fuckN idiot even bricktop saids whatsup about 72 hours dark if u try and tell him hes wrong go tell him that see what he saids.
 

OldLuck

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Not sure, they were from here http://www.weed-seeds.net/white_widow_seeds.html What do you think about Nirvana jock horror, blackjack and blackberry? I first started with just bag seed and grew them out. Saw my first male, but didn't see a hermi as of yet. I have learned so much and I know when I do grow good genetics my feet will be a little wet and I will be able to read the plants and react better. My bag seed took a beating every day either from me under/over feeding, to high temps, low humidity, low temps, not enough air flow and everything else that could happen. I probably would of had a stroke, knowing they were good genetics I'm abusing. Atleast now I have a sound understanding of the basics so I should be able to see the difference between good genetics and bad. Couldn't really do that if I didn't grow bad. Now, if I grow out some seed that are suppose to be good genetics and they turn out to be bad, then I could explain my case a little better or would be better off asking the right questions now since I have bag seed under my belt. Kind of like learning how to drive a stick. I would much rather learn in a $500 car then in a $75000 car. I understand your logic as well looking back through your vast knowledge and wealth of info. Plus, every grow right now I am changing things around. Trying to get my environment dialed in is not easy to do with limited knowledge and $$. I really would like to grow a few more bag seeds before I germ up some expensive seeds. The bag seed I just finished smoke and smell like more expensive stuff around and I know I can make it even better. Could you or someone else explain to me what bad genetics mean? When your humidity is below 30% during flower does that slow down trich production? Thanks guys for your vast knowledge and time.

Since you already have both, I will admit that you have a rather valid reason for growing both.

If I might ask, whose knockoff White Widow did you pick?





Lots of newer growers think the same way but I look at things a bit different. There are true quality strains out there from quality breeders and they are inexpensive because their names have some dust on them now and because they would only it into the medium-high potency range. But working with better genetics is better way to learn. I have known people, and read others online, who went lower dollar or went the knockoff route and ended up with hermies and other problems and drove themselves mad trying to figure out where they made some error or errors, when it was actually just the genetics they picked.

One strain I often suggest to someone new is Sensi Seeds Skunk #1. You can't find an easier strain to grow, it yields well, is in the medium-high range in potency, is stable and comes from a quality breeder. And if that's not enough it is inexpensive. Depending on if someone wanted feminized seeds or regular you can get five feminized seeds for roughly $32.00 and ten regular seeds for roughly ten dollars more.

Considering what you get for your money, you can't find a better value in that price range.
 

RL420

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fuck ya and it didnt compare.bro ive been told from many many many experienced growers and seen results and done it myself .

go ahead and leave ur shit normal 12/12 or whatever the fuck u do and enjoy that smoke

if anyone doesnt think the dark at the end works ur a fuckN idiot even bricktop saids whatsup about 72 hours dark if u try and tell him hes wrong go tell him that see what he saids.
ive only done the 3 day dark period since i started growing and have always been pleased by results. On the other hand, I see tons of journals of people who dont do it and get some pretty frosty nugs.
 

Harrekin

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foreal i dont understand this idiots who say they dont see results from the 3 day dark i did it and on the first day i noticed more frost a little bit but by the third day a haf of inch of frost had built up on my leafs by the buds ALOT! so i will always do this... even more frost then i thot i would get that harvest(APOLLO 11)
It doesn't add more frost, dear Jesus man have you not been reading? Lol!
 

Dank Raptor

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Im guessing the same way people get flowers growing outdoors in the spring. They throw a tarp over the plants for the night cycle.
 

Thedillestpickle

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The extra dark time also starves the plant and forces it to use up any stored sugars and carbs it can to keep itself alive.
So not only will you get more resin(not going to join this debate) but you'll have a smoother smoke

I've read that light is needed to convert THC precursers to THC. Does anyone have any good links regarding this? If that is the case the 72 hours dark may swell the trichs a bit, but unless more light is then given the precursers will not convert to THC
 

Harrekin

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The extra dark time also starves the plant and forces it to use up any stored sugars and carbs it can to keep itself alive.
So not only will you get more resin(not going to join this debate) but you'll have a smoother smoke

I've read that light is needed to convert THC precursers to THC. Does anyone have any good links regarding this? If that is the case the 72 hours dark may swell the trichs a bit, but unless more light is then given the precursers will not convert to THC
The dark cycle is when cannibidolic acid (spelling?) is converted to THC bro, it's a proven scientific fact ;)
 
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