6 400,s 4 Flood Tables Perpetual

drgreentm

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i also run gh micro/grow/bloom but by there feeding schedule. i just bought using florablend and floralicious plus. i was looking into nectar but didnt really understand what it does.. care to shed some light on me??
nectar is sugar correct? molasses? and that increases taste i would presume? floralicious plus says it increases colors, taste and yield.... see my confusion...?
i am the same way was never sure exactly what it did and gh has so many additives, i am also running general organics calmag that has mollases and sugar in with it so im not sure all i know is the mollases has been giving me hell with nasty slime as im pretty sure the bad micros feed off of it like a Thanksgiving feast lol tried not running it this time and have no slime so im pretty sure that was what was causing it.
 

drgreentm

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Lookin good,i run much the same set up as yours only a tad larger scale,we run 8 4x8 bud tables set up one week apart for a harvest every 5-9 days,we run 3 600 watters per table and air cool the lights using a push/pull configuration with a fan inbetween each light.

When i set the room up we decided to make every efforf to have maximum performance & efficency out of all the equipment,we also made a commitment to making the bulk of our very large electric costs go twords lighting & not spend alot on cooling the lights or the room,this meant a shit ton of testing every component in every possible scenario,then recording the resluts for comparison before settling on a final set up.

Running a push/pull configuration where the fan is doing double duty in pulling hot air as well as pushing hot air is without a doubt the most cost effective & efficient way we found,which translated in a much cooler room.

If you own the bldg you grow in you can go geothermal on the res & eleminate the need for external cooling on the res durring the hot months ,we did it with all of our res's & eleminated all the chillers which saved us between $300-$500 a month on electric costs.
very cool man i am very curious of the geothermal to cool the res any info on this would be greatly appreciated.

sounds like you have a great perpetual grow going, i loved it too but with my work and all just dont think it is the thing for me anymore. some harvest's would be great some not so great just all depended on the amount of time spent in the room and with work i just couldnt spend allot of time in there, so the single harvest every couple months seems to be a bit more chill for me to manage at the moment but i would love to check out your grow sounds very meticulous just like i like it lol.
 

panhead

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i also run gh micro/grow/bloom but by there feeding schedule. i just bought using florablend and floralicious plus. i was looking into nectar but didnt really understand what it does.. care to shed some light on me??
nectar is sugar correct? molasses? and that increases taste i would presume? floralicious plus says it increases colors, taste and yield.... see my confusion...?
We run the GH line of nutes as well,we have so many tables going to where it makes it very easy to evaluate different brand nutes as well as additives so we tried the entire GH line of additives listed on the expert/advanced section of the feed chart.

We tested the GH line of additives with the mindset where if it adds even the slightest benifit over the other tables that we would use the product,we tested the additives using one table running only the 3 basic GH nutes as a control,then the other 7 tables were fed a different single additive,we then fed one table the entire line of additives per instructions on the feed chart.

In the table that was fed the entire line of additives we had a shit ton of differences,none good,on top of making the res damm near impossible to retain a stable ph we experienced slight nute burn.

Out of the entire line of additives the only one we found to enhance color,vigor,harvest weight,taste,quality ect was Liquid Kool Bloom which gave us about another ounce or two per table,even now im not sure if the extra bud weight cant be replicated just as well by adding extra Flora Bloom in place of the Kool Bloom which is something we are comparing right now in 2 seperate tables with one week seperating them.

In a nutshell all of the additives we tried were pure snake oil bullshit where GH relys on customers not doing side by side comparisons ,the placebo effecf is very strong and manufacturers are extremely aware of this,they put out literature with big seudo scientific reasons why our plants can benifit from using the product, they also know its human nature to desire better quality and most will see benifits because they wanted to see results when they bought the product.

In my opinion dont waste your time or cash .
 

drgreentm

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Very informative, I'm happy with the liquid Kool bloom I was using hg bud xl for a while and it worked ok bit for the price (almost 60 bucks for a litre) the cool bloom IMO works better and is only like 20 bucks a quart so there is no comparison.
 

hellraizer30

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@ Panhead i also would like some info on geothermal cooling, i have x4 res tank and chillers isnt a option

@ drgreentm I dont use any other GH products just the nectar
 

matatan

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We run the GH line of nutes as well,we have so many tables going to where it makes it very easy to evaluate different brand nutes as well as additives so we tried the entire GH line of additives listed on the expert/advanced section of the feed chart.

We tested the GH line of additives with the mindset where if it adds even the slightest benifit over the other tables that we would use the product,we tested the additives using one table running only the 3 basic GH nutes as a control,then the other 7 tables were fed a different single additive,we then fed one table the entire line of additives per instructions on the feed chart.

In the table that was fed the entire line of additives we had a shit ton of differences,none good,on top of making the res damm near impossible to retain a stable ph we experienced slight nute burn.

Out of the entire line of additives the only one we found to enhance color,vigor,harvest weight,taste,quality ect was Liquid Kool Bloom which gave us about another ounce or two per table,even now im not sure if the extra bud weight cant be replicated just as well by adding extra Flora Bloom in place of the Kool Bloom which is something we are comparing right now in 2 seperate tables with one week seperating them.

In a nutshell all of the additives we tried were pure snake oil bullshit where GH relys on customers not doing side by side comparisons ,the placebo effecf is very strong and manufacturers are extremely aware of this,they put out literature with big seudo scientific reasons why our plants can benifit from using the product, they also know its human nature to desire better quality and most will see benifits because they wanted to see results when they bought the product.

In my opinion dont waste your time or cash .
you obviously have MUCH MUCH more experience than me, i have 1 grow under my belt and that first was an auto, currently on my first reg seed. im not gonna say your wong but i will say that i have ZERO ph problems in flower. in veg yes i have to adjust a couple times per but in flower i dont even have to use ph up or down at all with ppm over 900 or so. this is my first run using so many nutes, micro/grow/bloom, florablend, floralicous plus, koolbloom (dry at the end), hygrozyme and great white. i just add more water if the ppm is higher than id like it to be and so far, fingers crossed!, no nute burn. in flower anyway i had issues in veg. neway just my 2cents:mrgreen:
thanx for the info! do you have a thread? id love a chairbongsmilie
 

NatureaFinest

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Damn dr green. I kno the pics were a few pages back but those monster trees are absolutely a sight. I love seeing huge plants like that.
 

LBH

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I'm with Panhead, "Less is more"

Base line nutes is where it's at for me. Companies love to make products with cool names just to sell you another product....... N-P-K. Done.

I will say though that root boosters like Kangaroots, Roots excelurator,...some of those have a place but otherwise,....base line baby!! lol

OP- Very nice, CLEAN set-up.
 

drgreentm

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I'm with Panhead, "Less is more"

Base line nutes is where it's at for me. Companies love to make products with cool names just to sell you another product....... N-P-K. Done.

I will say though that root boosters like Kangaroots, Roots excelurator,...some of those have a place but otherwise,....base line baby!! lol

OP- Very nice, CLEAN set-up.
thanks for stopping in and the compliments, i believe in base nutes as well and just a simple p-k spike (liquid kool bloom at 0-10-10) in late flower seems to work good but im always up for trying new products, dont know if i would try all of them but maybe a few and if they dont work i just wont buy them again lol.
 

dr green dre

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ok here it is, the system is running great i shortend the lines going to the res and it made a huge difference (thank you hellraizor) so here are a few pics.
Nice set up dr , this is one of the cleanest grows i've seen on here that anit a small cab . Sub'd bro

Drgdre:peace::leaf:
 

panhead

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Very informative, I'm happy with the liquid Kool bloom I was using hg bud xl for a while and it worked ok bit for the price (almost 60 bucks for a litre) the cool bloom IMO works better and is only like 20 bucks a quart so there is no comparison.
Bulk buying is the only way to go unless its a micro grow,even if your only running a small set up go bulk.

We use shit tons of nutes so we evaluated every last container size that General Hydro offers,the bigger the container the less the per quart cost is,its been 2 years since we did the cost study so i may not be spot on .

The biggest value we found was the 6 gallon containers,buying this way brings the per quart price down to about $3 a quart,they also offer the main 3 nutes in 55 gallon barrels but the savings of about $0.75 cents per quart vs a multi thousand dollar investment dont add up.
 

panhead

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@ Panhead i also would like some info on geothermal cooling, i have x4 res tank and chillers isnt a option

@ drgreentm I dont use any other GH products just the nectar
This is gonna be a long response but its needed to understand how much work went into making this idea work.

I used to be in union commercial and industrial construction for 30 yrs,i got the idea one day while i was in a boring ass meeting,i was watching the HVAC guys installing underground lines for the geothermal heat/cooling system & asked their foreman if it would work for my application,he gave me the info to where as long as i was well below the frost line i'd be good to go but in the coldest months i might need to heat the res a bit.

We dug pits 4 feet deep & put a 50 ft coil of tubing in the pit & covered with sand then soil,connected one end to the pump & the other end to the table but we had a ton of problems,it took about 75 gallons to fill a 55 gal res plus we had flow issues so we gave up & went back to running the chillers.

I was watching This old house & they burried a big ass water tank for watering a garden & it hit me,why not just bury the res & use normal lengths of tubing.

We tried it with a single res 1st,we dug down 4 ft again & put plastic 55 gal drums in the ground,to protect against tree roots we mixed rock salt into the soil & backfilled to within one foot of ground level,then we repoured concrete to finish the flooring,it was an instant success for keeping the water cool but it was too cold, we added a fish tank heater & it was perfect but not without another problem.

We burried the top of the barrel even with the new floor top which was a huge mistake,contaminents from the floor would get into the res,we liked the results so much that we decided to go geothermal with all the tables with a few changes starting with leaving each barrel about a foot above floor level, with the lids installed there is no chance for contaminents entering the res.

On subsequent barrels we added a no float sump pump that we hard plumed with the discharge outlets feeding directly into the grey water lines of the bldg,this way when we change the res's all we have to do is turn on the sump pumps & in about 6 minutes all the res's are ready to refill or clean,we also added dedicated fresh water lines directly to each res & connected a short water hose that goes through a hole in the barrels lid along with the lines to & from the table.

All this was great but trying to ph the water was hard,we ended up putting a bluelab tri meter system in each res at a huge cost but it does make the grow much more efficient.

Each table has its own res ,which in turn has its own table pump,sump/discharge pump,discharge lines,fresh water line & tank heater,the trays are all set up on wooden tables made from 2x4's & plywood & the legs are all set on heavy duty casters ,the system sits directly over top its res to block light, we roll the entire system in & out for maintence & harvesting,when finished we restock the table & roll it back into its
place.

Keep in mind that we own our bldg,its one of the rental properties my family owns that is in pretty bad shape visually & we couldnt find a tennant for years so when we bought into the co-op we used the whole area for our grows.
 

drgreentm

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got some more pics, i harvested the 8 smaller bubbas, it was a bit early i know but the trics where all cloudy and a few amber so i chopped them so i could get more light to the bigger plants. they are looking real good, the big bubba seems to be a bit on the slow side but im willing to bet its due to the loooong veg time.

harvested bubba's not sure on weight as of yet but was 662 grams wet but these plants produce allot of stem but the smoke should be amazing



big bubba looking good

white widow looking real good


 

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matatan

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yea man, pretty early chop, might have lessened your harvest and smoke. looks great tho!bongsmilie
smoke report when there dried!:mrgreen:
 

drgreentm

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whats up guys so the big bubba came down, she was badly root bound and just didnt seem to be growing at all anymore so she was about 3 oz's dry (used for hash) and the others where 4.5 oz's dry (not to bad) now i already have 3 bubba clones that where about 14-18" topped in veg so they needed to go in, i also have 3 WW clones that are short fat little plants i also topped in veg and have another 5 that will be ready in about 3 or 4 days. i also ordered some GHS super critical (5 fem) and have recieved them and already germinated (5 outta 5) they will be ready for the next go round also got a free new york #47 (nycd x ak47) that im going to save but for now i have 10 clones of ww (choosing the best 7) and will have these 5 super criticals for next round. anyway here are some pics of the white widow monster as she is filling out nicely for just hitting the 4 week mark of flower. check em out.


and what i like to call the crown (all the tops surrounding a bowl of buds)

 

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drgreentm

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looking off the hook man!! as allways. hows the ebb?
thanks man, the ebb is still kickin ass i will get some pics up of the clones in it soon i was having slime with the molasses so stopped using it and switched to some botanicare calmag and problem solved. plants are looking green and healthy, going to be getting a tent and another system to veg in to make the transition to flower easier.
 
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