5 gallon buckets outside grow journal

iam thinking about puting like 1 good sized bullgill(chopped up) like 3 inchs from the bottom of a 5 gal. bucket b4 filling it and then planting the 3-4 in. plant on the top? they would not be transplanted at all so figure in there till flowering is done bout about 3-4 months in the bucket. plants will be outside in holes but in the bucket.. u think the plants would benifit? anyone try this b4 thx hope to get sum advice...

im thinking of puttting rocks 1 in. layer bottom...(for sure) then like 2 in. dirt then 1 fish per bucket then the rest of the mix then plants are about 3 ins. tall as we speak(started indoors 4 tube floro's..) i'd w8 longer but situtaion requires faster transplant than planned..(long story but just playing it safe) so main question u think the fish would be ready for the plant by the time the roots get down there?


never grew in 5 gal. pails b4 usualy just throw them in the ground and let them go


the soil in the buckets will prolly be sumthing like this

- 1 in.layer rocks on bottom
- 2 in. mix
- 1 med fish on bottom
- rest mix witha a few rocks througout(drainage)

MIX
- 1 in. of rocks
- sum orgainc compost
- sum good black sandy top soil( worms included free!!! its gotta be dec if they're there)
- sum pure sand(dunno yet will proly use if i need a lil xtra mix) what ya think?

- sum spagmun peat moss
- and peralaite till it looks good( any ideas how much ina 5 gal pail?)
- and sum all purpose scotts flower and veg. continuos release 10-10-10
- proly sum wood ash too (charcoal ash ne good?)

oh what u guys think bout putting wild moss on the top of the soil? root rot around base maybe?

and with that fertilazer the 10-10-10 scotts long release u think i'll need to nute the plant again at all? the fert says bout 2 months food so wut ya'll think?

i do not know the strains just random good bags seeds most look on the indica side 6 plants hoping for at least 3 girls

thinking about doing sum LST also later on...

ne comments and advice i appreacated

~Strey~

Lacy said:

I personally think that is too many plants for that size but that is just my 2 cents

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1 plant per 5 gallon bucket.... plz tell me how that is too many for that size...

~Strey~

do u mean blue gill fish? also pics would be nice .. good luck on your grow

I planted some bagseed plants in 5's last year and then 12-12 them when they got 3 ft. tall. They turned out incredible, but I regret not having real good seeds. I'm too paranoid to ever do it again. Also I'd just use Fish Emulsion Fertilizer, but be careful because it'll attract all kinds of critters.

Robby said:

I planted some bagseed plants in 5's last year and then 12-12 them when they got 3 ft. tall. They turned out incredible, but I regret not having real good seeds. I'm too paranoid to ever do it again. Also I'd just use Fish Emulsion Fertilizer, but be careful because it'll attract all kinds of critters.

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thx for the tip

AngusBeef said:

do u mean blue gill fish? also pics would be nice .. good luck on your grow

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yes blue gill/sun fish...


~Strey~

i recently put bluegill in my veggy garden to see how that works out ..

well it beena while since i posted but just wanted to update on this yrs grow...

i ended up with 2 females and 1 hermi(killed it right away) and the rest males killed those right away also the biggest female was a very dominate indica and smelty sweet and fruity while budding and a smaller sativa that was really small... w8'd to long to transplant becase it didn't sex early..(my bad) got learn from your mistakes XD
both ended up Seedless the indica i took early cuase of a stoner deer or a 1 stoner red squirel(ate half!!! my plant and it was all the tops!!) -.- pretty sure it was the red squirel thou.. needless to say next yr he won't be a problem.. we had a lil disagreement...he came back for more and no deer tracks at all...but need to definatly have to look into veggy pest(small rodents)/(deer replant) control alterantives than a 20 Ga. but over all i got about 1 oz. not a good turn out but a very good learnign grow hope next yr to do a lot better and to try the fish i never put them in fear of root burn to the roots incase the fish wasn't decomposed. well ttyl and i hope this helps someone.

Use coyote piss around the perimeter of your gorilla garden . STINKS SO FUCKING BAD... but it works. No more stoner deer or squirrels . If you ever use compost make sure that it is composted and turned and mixed evenly throughout to not get nute concentration and essentially nute burn. Make a bed of rich organic soil.. and if you just have one plant you could yield a couple pounds. Outdoor = big yield

I have 40 Lemons and 40 Masterkush going out this spring 40 in two seperate beds. I am aiming for 30 pounds. Hopefully I get more

Hope this will help you in having a successful grow next summer !

thx for the info man! ya was worried bout the fish not decompising all the way b4 the roots got down and cuase nute burn so i never used them ^.^ 30lbs huh.. lol that would be nice neva pay again and smkoe as much as u want and uber quiality XD well gl man hope it all goes well for u this yr! gunna try that coyote piss next this spring 1 question thou is it goin to attract the preditors thou? cuase i have 2 outdoor cats and would hate to be the reason for turning them into a snack... thx for ur time ~Strey~

Your making headway.
Chopped fish. OOOOhhhhIIIII don't know about that. Every Vermin within a mile will be digging & knocking over the buckets for the fish. I got a bottle of fish emulsion at the local Nursery, which the plant can feed off immediately.
Rocks at the bottom is good for weight, but only at bottom.
Sand packs too tight. In stead of sand and/or sandy topsoil, I would use good organic potting soil & organic compost. You can grow in straight compost if its good shit.
Pot ash from charcoal is really bad. I would not add any period. Other additives will take care of that need.
Peat moss kills the microbial life in your soil, causing the soil to pack tight & the plants health will suffer.
Any slow release chemical fert kills the good fungi & bacteria that breaks down the soil so your plant has all the nutes needed. Any liquid organic tea, like Medina Hasta grow, Garrot Juice, etc, from the local Nursery will do MUCH better.
Also, get some liquid Seaweed, & Greensand from the local Nursery, and from the local Grocery Store, get some Whole Ground Corn Meal, (not the bleached, enriched shit), Epsom Salt & 100% pure molasses. Perlite is good, also. If you can get some Rabbit manure, 60% of this would be great. You can feed once per week, every other watering. Too much drainage is no good. An old gray/brown & green bed sheet is good to cover the bucket, they can be seen too easy. To be able to quickly water, leave at least 2" on top of bucket free of soil, so you can pour on a gal. quickly. Worms will do good in this soil. Stay away from plants that get 7' or more tall, or use bigger containers. Blood Meal on & around your plants will fert the plant, and keep vermin's away. Other than that, your looking good.

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iam thinking about puting like 1 good sized bullgill(chopped up) like 3 inchs from the bottom of a 5 gal. bucket b4 filling it and then planting the 3-4 in. plant on the top? they would not be transplanted at all so figure in there till flowering is done bout about 3-4 months in the bucket. plants will be outside in holes but in the bucket.. u think the plants would benifit? anyone try this b4 thx hope to get sum advice...

im thinking of puttting rocks 1 in. layer bottom...(for sure) then like 2 in. dirt then 1 fish per bucket then the rest of the mix then plants are about 3 ins. tall as we speak(started indoors 4 tube floro's..) i'd w8 longer but situtaion requires faster transplant than planned..(long story but just playing it safe) so main question u think the fish would be ready for the plant by the time the roots get down there?


never grew in 5 gal. pails b4 usualy just throw them in the ground and let them go


the soil in the buckets will prolly be sumthing like this

- 1 in.layer rocks on bottom
- 2 in. mix
- 1 med fish on bottom
- rest mix witha a few rocks througout(drainage)

MIX
- 1 in. of rocks
- sum orgainc compost
- sum good black sandy top soil( worms included free!!! its gotta be dec if they're there)
- sum pure sand(dunno yet will proly use if i need a lil xtra mix) what ya think?

- sum spagmun peat moss
- and peralaite till it looks good( any ideas how much ina 5 gal pail?)
- and sum all purpose scotts flower and veg. continuos release 10-10-10
- proly sum wood ash too (charcoal ash ne good?)

oh what u guys think bout putting wild moss on the top of the soil? root rot around base maybe?

and with that fertilazer the 10-10-10 scotts long release u think i'll need to nute the plant again at all? the fert says bout 2 months food so wut ya'll think?

i do not know the strains just random good bags seeds most look on the indica side 6 plants hoping for at least 3 girls

thinking about doing sum LST also later on...

ne comments and advice i appreacated

~Strey~

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WOW! thx much for the info and input will def.. look into this stuff for next yrs crop attempt on the pals were burried in the ground so they didn't stick out. the rocks on the bottom are for drainage.. an oldtimer that used to grow said it helps hea close friend so i'll trust his word on that he knows wut hes doing XD. reallt peat moss is bad for ur plant how can sumthing natural kill mirboal life never herd that one 1 b4 and i have read a lot. never herd ne thingabout slow release nutes killing fungi b4 either. do u havenay articales on these subjects? thx very much for your time and input!!! ~Strey~

The entire goal to all of this is to learn & pass on any knowledge taught. Yes, the Ole' Timer is correct. Rocks, stones does help drainage. The proof of this is the clay pebbles sold for hydro. This proves that plants can be grown in rock like soil, and they can be grown hanging in the air, with a periodical spray of nutes. Upside down, induced flowering when only 6" tall. It goes on & on. Some soils is in dire need of additional props or insurance of good drainage, when some soil does not need any non-nutrient added objects. That, solely, is the variance in soil. Water, on it's on is basically worthless, other than to add needed liquid to the body/plant. City water, boiled water, all water not naturally processed is "The Dead Zone". Meaning that "purified" is defunct of all the things that natural water offers. We are talking rocks here. From natural Springs, the water flows from underground, through the ground, over a multitude of rocks & stones. Water is highly absorbent. It absorbs any & everything exposed to, such as human waste from females taking birth control pills, which is not filtered out in the Cities water processing Plants. And the Gay Community grows. The plastic used for bottled water derives mostly from Barges of trash shipped to China, whereas workers sort through the shit, to make plastic bottles for you to have 'Natural water to enjoy. Whatever the plastic is made from, where it comes from, is absorbed into the water. Drink up.
But natural water is filled with a multitude of vitamins & minerals, because it has flowed over an array of rocks, where the nutrients preside. Also, water seated for any length of time is devoid of oxygen. To add oxygen to your soil, shake the shit out of the water prior to watering the Ladies. But we're talking about Rocks.
Since rocks add, are made of lots of good shit, the process of making Rock wool will give you a hard-on. The greensand, lava rock-perlite is also worth a centerfold for your Plants. Point, use rocks, but good soil in it's own potential, will have very good drainage without rocks.
The best example of organic VS man made nutrients that I can come up with is using Meth. One of the best things in Life is a Sunday picnic, where all is wonderful. However, Monday comes, reality sets in. Back to work, etc. Point is not everyday can be a Sunday Picnic. The Body is torn down, even though it feels good/looks good. That is chemical nutes, looks wonderful, the plant is dancing in the wind. But the chemicals is killing the microbial life in the soil, immunity system. Teeth rot, the soil becomes the dead zone, where diseases set in, causing you looking for a solution, like Spider Mite infestation. Spider Mites only affect plants with problems. This fact is not easily found because there is no Lobbyist, no money, found in Mother Nature's budget. However, the Chemical people is allotted billions to promote it's dead zone product. Only a few are spreading the facts, but once again, they receive no finance from earthworms, microorganisms, or the 1,000's of insects & bugs that defend your plants. For instance, millions of pets are infested with fleas each year, and the Vets. waiting room is filled with high dollar medicines to kill fleas. Follow the money. If profit wasn't an issue, a simple sign would read, "Beneficial Nematodes for sale, one million for $8 bucks, which will kills every flea in your yard, plus grubs, termites, and some ants, also. If no money would be involved, signs would say that only 20% of chemical ferts are actually absorbed at a feeding time, the rest is washed away into the streams & rivers, like birth control pills. Same goes for man-made vitamins. Take Calcium Tablets. The man made shit only absorbs 20% of what you take, and it is a low quality calcium product. Your body demands calcium throughout the body, and when it is deficient, it will decrease/rob bone need & distribute to other parts. Of course, causing problems for the Doctors to make more money on. The whole (bought into shit) is fucked up.
In the spirit of the song, Alice's Restaurant, This is not what I came to talk about. I came to defend an indictment. Cool. Every Sat. & Sun., where I can, I listen to Master Gardeners on the radio, for like, 30 years. Add that to gardening since 1968. That is my bona fides. It takes about 8 years to kill trees with the Scott's slow release shit. Read the instructions very carefully, and slowly. When it says to wear gloves,.... that in itself should tell you what the worms & micro people think. They all die. Here's the drainage point. 24 hours per day, these soil organisms cultivate the soil, breaking it down so your plants can munch, adds oxygen, and allows water absorption. Once the soil is dead, it packs, water runs off, therein the need for rocks in your soil. If your soil is healthy, it will drain well. Didn't know that peat moss would do damage until a month age, via Master Gardeners. For some help, see Dirtdoctor.com. Merry Christmas.

strey said:

WOW! thx much for the info and input will def.. look into this stuff for next yrs crop attempt on the pals were burried in the ground so they didn't stick out. the rocks on the bottom are for drainage.. an oldtimer that used to grow said it helps hea close friend so i'll trust his word on that he knows wut hes doing XD. reallt peat moss is bad for ur plant how can sumthing natural kill mirboal life never herd that one 1 b4 and i have read a lot. never herd ne thingabout slow release nutes killing fungi b4 either. do u havenay articales on these subjects? thx very much for your time and input!!! ~Strey~

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strey said:

thx for the info man! ya was worried bout the fish not decompising all the way b4 the roots got down and cuase nute burn so i never used them ^.^ 30lbs huh.. lol that would be nice neva pay again and smkoe as much as u want and uber quiality XD well gl man hope it all goes well for u this yr! gunna try that coyote piss next this spring 1 question thou is it goin to attract the preditors thou? cuase i have 2 outdoor cats and would hate to be the reason for turning them into a snack... thx for ur time ~Strey~

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No it wont attract preditors. I have never seen any or seen any activity of at my spot. I do run into bears the odd time.. which is very common for my area. British Columbia but I keep my distance. I have a can of bear mace just in case. Coyote piss is where its at if you don't want anything eating your plants. Soak an old sock in piss and place them around the perimeter. I warn you it's pretty brutal lol. Go to any gardening store and they should have it. I will be taking pictures and making a journal of my outdoor this year. So stay tuned !

wow read that articale on peat moss... not gunna use it ne more.. lol i see wut u were talking about i'll still use rocks on the bottom layer thou for a lil extra drainage seeing that the buskets go in he ground so it should help the holes in the buckets draina lil better ina heavy rain. that for all the info south texas u really know wut ur talking about i can't even inmagine wut u yield per yr =P and i will def have to try the coyote piss or the piss soaked sock(i would piss by them usually ona daily basis but the 1 night i didn't sumthing ate my shit... so hopefully the sock will hold the scent longer, or use both! XD and may just go back to digginga hole and throwing my mix in it just cuase of the size diff in hole in woods vs 5 gal bucket to me this yr was a total learning experice and a waste of time but ehh i learned XD my very first grow i ended up with 3 females that were like x mas trees! would took 2 people to conect hands around the it all i did was dig a hole say 2ft x 1 ft and use the sandy/rocky soil that was there threw ina alil peat moss sum hi-yield bone and blood meal mix a lil perlite and i mean lil and threw them in when they were 3-4 inchs tall and early still if weather temps at night.. and let them go pretty much and water once or twice the whole yra dn it was fairly warm and dry... but.... never got to see it finish.. ex g/f's ex b/f chopped them down cuase of sum idiot freinds showed him where they were they caught me walking out the woods with the males at 6 am .. -.- walked out the woods and dude was like wuts that.. long story short i went ona 3 day vaca and when i came back the grils were chooped at the bases and the male that were hanging were gone also -.- the females had buds ahh i dunno bout the size of ur thumb nail... woulda been monsters... gunna just have to do it again this time way more careful like this yrs grow XD i lost my plants cuase i broke the gold rule on grow my herbs... hope u take that advice XD thx everyone for their input and info even thou its dec gets my pumped for this spring now just to find sum decent bag seeds.. later all and hope u havea merry x mas and a happy new year!!! Peace ~Strey~