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robert 14617 said:

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robert 14617 said:

how tall did she get big sky? .....rob

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BigSkyBudTHC said:

may i recomend the fox farm line to you? Lol

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Ready2Inhale said:

you already know what imma say huh...i gotta spread more rep before repping you again...is that sweet tooth more on the indica sideto you

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Reiss said:

Wow! great harvest. Don't you trim first? Trimming all that after it's dried will be a nightmare!

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PANGcake said:

Thats the right way of drying ur MJ...
That bud looks ready...leaves pointing up...lovely!



It doesnt feel like a nightmare cuz u know its gonna taste sooo much better =P Hanging the plants whole makes for a slow drying so that all the chlorophyll will break down. Then when u trim it before curing, that lets them "sweat" and they will wreak

//peace

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Mr.Oasis said:

pretty sure happy frog is just the soil...how did u like the full lineup though BIGSKY? i use grow big/TB/BB and have loved them so far but hear some of the "OG's" talk about how its just another one of those companies with clever marketing, any opinions?

and good stuff wayy up there^^^ grop and magnus

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FuZZyBUDz said:

yea, F*ck fox farms, lol. im switchin ASAP. i use(d) those three too, im DONE, had to go get CAL-MAG today to fix my plant! lol

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Kriegs said:

There's def some issues with their products. The liquids come out of the bottle about pH = 2.0, and their direction to start feeding TB at 12/12 is insane. TB doesn't have near enough N in it to support stretch. Their forumulas just don't jive with current knowledge on plant nutrition; none of them.

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Kriegs said:

Hah! Yeah.. I'm still pissed about last year's FF-induced nute-burn pH-drop fuckfest..

I'm going DynaGro for now. I like the complete lack of urea N, and nice balance of ammonium and nitrate N (slow- and fast-acting, respectively), and good cal/mag content in all their products. The 9-3-6 FoliagePro is perfect up until the stretch halts; then I'm going to the 7-9-5 Liquid Grow. We'll see how that goes.

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groputillor said:

I'm not gonna get into a big argument and I'm not even on here that often so don't spend a bunch of time on a personal attack I won't see.. but I wanna throw my two cents into this so it doesn't get left with half the info.

All the specialized nutirent lines out there can give you great results if you know what each of them doesn't include. Switching lines just gives you something new to figure out. You can almost never follow a company's guide exactly. Cmon it's just common sense that you don't start with the same strength you need to finish. Cal Mag is a definite, always. If you're using a super high phosphorus fert like the FF powders, then your Magnesium levels will drop to nothing if you're not careful..then nute lockout, ph flip, nute burn, etc. Go get a Ph adjusting soil like bioterra plus (thier's others). Never Ph adjust your nutrient solution again. It's nice. Comes out perfect every time I swear.

Fox Farm works great for me and for a lot of other beginners I know personally, like walk into thier gardens and sample thier meds know them, not see pictures and hear thier biased, anonymous, uninformed opinions on a blog site know them. I've made a point of discussing nutrients a lot with the few growers I know who have grown a lot of plants for 10+ years, which is hard because most people like that don't give a shit to talk about nutes if they'll talk about grow at all. They have all used the FF line and said it's great, and simple for beginners. Thier reasons for using other stuff now was because they say FF gives a bad taste unless you flush thoughly for 2 weeks (they want to push nutes longer). One said he just uses cheaper versions of the same things in FF basically, like MOAB instead of all the FF powders..tried to get me to do that instead of FF powders and I should've but we all like a nice pretty package deal with the colors that match so we know they "fit together" and so we can assume that's all we need, but do your reading. And don't throw out your FF, it's not broken.

..thanks oasis

Kreigs Tiger Bloom doesn't have too much N cause they want you to use it with Gro Big. I saw Super Silver that was 18 inches get almost 4 feet on FF. And why do you all want stretchy plants. I hear people looking for ways to stop that early stretch all the time. Artificial light only does a good job down to about 1 foot below the canopy unless you have lots of room around each plant.

lol all you people hating on those poor minerals and such. you should be ashamed lol. You're the ones who fucked up your plants, not FF. They're just tryin to make a profit and so is every other company. They're not gonna hold your dick AND shake it for you cuz that's a lot of dicks. and by the same logic they're not gonna fuck you over cuz then you go buy elsewhere. Economics.

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groputillor said:

I'm not gonna get into a big argument and I'm not even on here that often so don't spend a bunch of time on a personal attack I won't see.. but I wanna throw my two cents into this so it doesn't get left with half the info.

All the specialized nutirent lines out there can give you great results if you know what each of them doesn't include. Switching lines just gives you something new to figure out. You can almost never follow a company's guide exactly. Cmon it's just common sense that you don't start with the same strength you need to finish. Cal Mag is a definite, always. If you're using a super high phosphorus fert like the FF powders, then your Magnesium levels will drop to nothing if you're not careful..then nute lockout, ph flip, nute burn, etc. Go get a Ph adjusting soil like bioterra plus (thier's others). Never Ph adjust your nutrient solution again. It's nice. Comes out perfect every time I swear.

Fox Farm works great for me and for a lot of other beginners I know personally, like walk into thier gardens and sample thier meds know them, not see pictures and hear thier biased, anonymous, uninformed opinions on a blog site know them. I've made a point of discussing nutrients a lot with the few growers I know who have grown a lot of plants for 10+ years, which is hard because most people like that don't give a shit to talk about nutes if they'll talk about grow at all. They have all used the FF line and said it's great, and simple for beginners. Thier reasons for using other stuff now was because they say FF gives a bad taste unless you flush thoughly for 2 weeks (they want to push nutes longer). One said he just uses cheaper versions of the same things in FF basically, like MOAB instead of all the FF powders..tried to get me to do that instead of FF powders and I should've but we all like a nice pretty package deal with the colors that match so we know they "fit together" and so we can assume that's all we need, but do your reading. And don't throw out your FF, it's not broken.

..thanks oasis

Kreigs Tiger Bloom doesn't have too much N cause they want you to use it with Gro Big. I saw Super Silver that was 18 inches get almost 4 feet on FF. And why do you all want stretchy plants. I hear people looking for ways to stop that early stretch all the time. Artificial light only does a good job down to about 1 foot below the canopy unless you have lots of room around each plant.

lol all you people hating on those poor minerals and such. you should be ashamed lol. You're the ones who fucked up your plants, not FF. They're just tryin to make a profit and so is every other company. They're not gonna hold your dick AND shake it for you cuz that's a lot of dicks. and by the same logic they're not gonna fuck you over cuz then you go buy elsewhere. Economics.

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glyphen said:

This guy is 100% right on. I have been around horticulture for about 30 years, and do indeed have a green thumb if you catch my drift. People of these days dont generally know anything about botany, and they just want to buy a "kit" to follow instructions and have good bud.

Now this attitude created "The market" for people needing a how to and a guide/regime specific to "THEIR" needs.

Real growers learn about botany, and horticulture. Understanding Propagation is key, and learning to adjust on the fly is how you get best results.

Not by some label claiming to be the best.


Do you think we had FF in the 70's? Or a step by step guide for feeding regime's?

No way man, we learned through paying attention.


I would suggest some of you guys do the same

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Ready2Inhale said:

nice b-gum, is that a serious seeds strain

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Thx! Iono where Nirvana get their beans from, but thats where I got them from, Nirvana! I also tried Bubblegum few years back from BDS and the genetics from BDS was a lot better at least vigor, potency we'll see. 10 regular beans, 8 were ladies and all of them woulda been keepers. I'm not saying theese genetics are bad (Nirvana), the 2 flowering are keepers and thats why I cloned offa them, check my sig for threads Outta 5 femmed seeds from Nirvana, 4 germed, and outta those 4 only the 2 u see flowering were keepers. If u check my journal bout the flowering ladies, u will find 1 clone taken from a plant that was not desireable for cloning, its in my last post in the thread...The lady on the left is only 66cm tall yet I can promise u she will yield at least 4,5-5 ounces maybe more. When she started her stretch in 12/12, it was more so the outer branches that took off making the plant very uniform w an even canopy, BG tend to grow like that from seed. The right lady has grown a bit taller, shes 76cm tall w a different bud structure to it. She has like 5 main branches. Her outer branches really really shot for the top when streching but the plant still stayed short. She has lesser branches but each "main" branch acts like the main kola. I'll be popping by w some updates of the grow...58 days 12/12 today They are gonna go longer 12/12 then I had expected. I can only guess first is done 10-14 days from now...been changing that predicted harvest date further and further on since they have grown in "waves" making me puzzled as to when to harvest...also I learned during this grow that the amber in the trichs go in waves...and now they are milky to clear again, 2 weeks ago 50% where amber I go for the overall appearence when I harvest though...my scope broke so I'm not even gonna bother look at the trichs...ladies are ready when they're ready. Now I'm gonna go down to the store where I bought the damn scope...It was cheap but ima see if I can get a new 1 for free, it has 100x magnifying effect...it still is fun looking at those lil trichs standing up like troopers...

Edit: Sometimes I laugh bout what I've said myself in previous posts. First of all, I fergot the scope when I went to the store...hehe...when I came back home to get it I said to myself: "It must be working, it worked 2 days ago and I havent manhandled it or dropped it or anything". So i decided to try it again...and ofc it worked just fine. I must have been too baked "testing" it earlier today, LOL! SO...2 days ago it seemd as if almost all trichs were clear...now that my scope is "working again" I can see 80% cloudy, 15% clear and 5% amber...an estimate ofc, I didnt count all the trichs LMAO I read Subcools thread in the "Organics" forum (I think it was there) and concluded that its time to harvest...I will flush them tomorrow and 1more time before harvesting them on saturday-monday, day 61-63 12/12. Carrying theese heavy @ssed ladies to the tub again gonna be a beetch, but what don't u do for ur loved ones?! I don't want to harvest too late and lose that bubblegum smell and taste and harvesting today is too early. Buds are swollen, stone hard, "hairs" have started their way back into their "pods" wich are very very swollen, bout 50-60% hairs ar "red", and trichs as I said earlier are bout 80% cloudy. It's time!

PANGcake said:

Thx! Iono where Nirvana get their beans from, but thats where I got them from, Nirvana! I also tried Bubblegum few years back from BDS and the genetics from BDS was a lot better at least vigor, potency we'll see. 10 regular beans, 8 were ladies and all of them woulda been keepers. I'm not saying theese genetics are bad (Nirvana), the 2 flowering are keepers and thats why I cloned offa them, check my sig for threads Outta 5 femmed seeds from Nirvana, 4 germed, and outta those 4 only the 2 u see flowering were keepers. If u check my journal bout the flowering ladies, u will find 1 clone taken from a plant that was not desireable for cloning, its in my last post in the thread...The lady on the left is only 66cm tall yet I can promise u she will yield at least 4,5-5 ounces maybe more. When she started her stretch in 12/12, it was more so the outer branches that took off making the plant very uniform w an even canopy, BG tend to grow like that from seed. The right lady has grown a bit taller, shes 76cm tall w a different bud structure to it. She has like 5 main branches. Her outer branches really really shot for the top when streching but the plant still stayed short. She has lesser branches but each "main" branch acts like the main kola. I'll be popping by w some updates of the grow...58 days 12/12 today They are gonna go longer 12/12 then I had expected. I can only guess first is done 10-14 days from now...been changing that predicted harvest date further and further on since they have grown in "waves" making me puzzled as to when to harvest...also I learned during this grow that the amber in the trichs go in waves...and now they are milky to clear again, 2 weeks ago 50% where amber I go for the overall appearence when I harvest though...my scope broke so I'm not even gonna bother look at the trichs...ladies are ready when they're ready. Now I'm gonna go down to the store where I bought the damn scope...It was cheap but ima see if I can get a new 1 for free, it has 100x magnifying effect...it still is fun looking at those lil trichs standing up like troopers...

//CaL

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