40,000 new laws enacted for 2011

Johnnyorganic · Jan 4, 2011

UncleBuck said:
actually, i would prefer a 16th amendment debate, as it is one of the most hotly debated amendments nowadays. the fair tax actually does not seem a horrible idea, but i would like to see it under more scrutiny.

before i forget (pretty high right now)....i used to live near a couple llamas and they creeped me out for some reason, however llama farm sounds like a good little niche. where is the money in llamas? fur? meat? eggs? pets?

i had something else i was gonna say, but i am too stoned to even type right now.

Llama eggs.

That's awesome!

I know you're high so I am laughing with you, not at you.

Thanks for the chuckle, Buck.

NoDrama · Jan 4, 2011

http://www.alpacas.com/resources/taxplanner.aspx

Raising alpacas can offer the farmer some very attractive tax advantages. In 2003 those benefits got a lot better due to the "Jobs and Growth Reconciliation Tax Act." which was enacted into law on May 28, 2003. It was amended for the 2009 tax year. The new rules added several powerful incentives for people who buy alpacas. The 179 deduction has been raised to $250,000, and it is available thru 2009. In addition, there is a special bonus depreciation available in 2009. For farms making large capital investments in 2009, this offers a huge benefit.

$250,000 tax write offs for owning Llamas. All the tax advantages are still there, they didn't expire.

[video=youtube;K_A3NcB8bqM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_A3NcB8bqM[/video]

Once everyone has a LLama or alpaca none of us will have to pay taxes and the country will be humming along on all 12 cylinders again.

beardo · Jan 5, 2011

londonfog said:
lol..dude by all means keep doing what you doing..sitting on the sidelines complaining. Now myself I'm going to see how I can make ANY situation work for me...I don't sit around thinking that the government is out to get me...Now I do believe we at times vote dumb folks in ( Bush ).. I myself take the time to find out the reason why the government has to do something it has to do..Sometimes I agree sometimes I don't..but please believe I just don't sit around on a weed forum complaining about how bad it is with out going out to do something about it...geez..I took the time to look at your post ( ouch my head hurts ) and find that you remind me of that little Hen ( Henny Penny ) that thought the sky was falling..Man go run for office and see what you can change. By the way I don't hate rich people..I have plans to become one, but I also realize that people will make me rich by supporting my establishments..I in turn will ALWAYS give back to others that might not have had the luck that I had.

That's funny...you think the people in control are people we vote for and elect. The people in control are appointed and we can't vote them out.

londonfog · Jan 6, 2011

beardo said:
That's funny...you think the people in control are people we vote for and elect. The people in control are appointed and we can't vote them out.

do you know who these people are or is this something you heard.

beardo · Jan 6, 2011

londonfog said:
do you know who these people are or is this something you heard.

I know who some of them are...their are all sorts of government positions that aren't elected but are appointed. some of these are life time positions some are not.
Supreame court justices
the heads of all the alphabet agencys cia fbi nsa homeland security
All military
The fed reserve is not part of our govt but ben bernanke was also appointed
the list goes on and on I don't know all of it and I don't care to.

darkdestruction420 · Jan 6, 2011

beardo said:
I know who some of them are...their are all sorts of government positions that aren't elected but are appointed. some of these are life time positions some are not.
Supreame court justices
the heads of all the alphabet agencys cia fbi nsa homeland security
All military
The fed reserve is not part of our govt but ben bernanke was also appointed
the list goes on and on I don't know all of it and I don't care to.

I'll agree to a point their are alot of them, congress and the senate should be on that list too, even though people voted them in its all a scam anyway, Thanks big business and chamber of commerce, corrupt things even worse when pretending to speak for america. These fair weather republicans ate that shit up. Same with the tea party. I support the ideals. but its all a scam. Let's focus on jobs and small businesses.....hey wait, giving tax cuts to small businesses we dont personslly like isnt ok.....ya know ones that matter to local economies but since they arent in our district its pork......(like i hear the republicans go on about......)

londonfog · Jan 6, 2011

beardo said:
I know who some of them are...their are all sorts of government positions that aren't elected but are appointed. some of these are life time positions some are not.
Supreame court justices
the heads of all the alphabet agencys cia fbi nsa homeland security
All military
The fed reserve is not part of our govt but ben bernanke was also appointed
the list goes on and on I don't know all of it and I don't care to.

but are not these people appointed by people we vote for ???

beardo · Jan 6, 2011

londonfog said:
but are not these people appointed by people we vote for ???

Some are and some are not-Here are wiki pages for two recent appointees their are many many more this is just as an example...would you have voted for them? check the links give them a read let me know what you think.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Simpson

londonfog · Jan 6, 2011

beardo said:
Some are and some are not-Here are wiki pages for two recent appointees their are many many more this is just as an example...would you have voted for them? check the links give them a read let me know what you think.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Simpson

Dude I think you are confused..These folks are actually selected by Obama Admin. He choose these folks..and we elected Obama...again who is appointed to a position that was not selected by someone we voted for ???

Rob Roy · Jan 6, 2011

UncleBuck said:
government rises from the consent of the governed.

thus, government taxation arises from consent of the governed to be taxed.

this is what makes me laugh every time i hear a libertarian say "well, my views are what the founding fathers *really* wanted".

that is irrelevant.

the governed decide the direction the country takes with their votes.

and the governed have decided on taxes, voluntarily.

taxes are voluntary, dude.

That statement can only be accurate when describing those that have actually consented. Consent cannot be given by another for an individual that does not consent. Nice try though.

NLXSK1 · Jan 6, 2011

taxes are voluntary, dude.

Tell that to wesley snipes... FREE WESLEY!!! LOL!!

beardo · Jan 6, 2011

londonfog said:
Dude I think you are confused..These folks are actually selected by Obama Admin. He choose these folks..and we elected Obama...again who is appointed to a position that was not selected by someone we voted for ???

Dude if you read my posts you would see that i'm not confused nor did I make any false claims. I didn't say those people were not appointed by an elected official all I said was that they were appointed. and I did say that some appointments are done by elected officals and others are not. And please speak for yourself when you refer to who elected Obama- It might have happened but I don't want to be lumped in with the "we' That made it happen. maybe you but not me...so it's not we.

UncleBuck · Jan 6, 2011

Rob Roy said:
That statement can only be accurate when describing those that have actually consented. Consent cannot be given by another for an individual that does not consent. Nice try though.

i predicted this type of nonsense. perhaps you would like to answer the questions i posed in my next post...

and before any libertarian comes in and spouts "i never gave my consent to be taxed!"

let me point out, that is why you are a libertarian. because you don't get this concept that you are part of a greater society.

and whatever you're about to say, answer me this first: how did income taxes come about? did a king come in and decree that the 16th amendment be so? did an authoritarian dictator mandate that income taxes be aid? or was it passed in accordance with the foundation of government that our founding fathers laid out?

think about it for a second.

Click to expand...

so what is your solution? should we send every american a questionairre asking "do you consent to be taxed?"

your naivete is fucking AWESOME.

UncleBuck · Jan 6, 2011

NLXSK1 said:
Tell that to wesley snipes... FREE WESLEY!!! LOL!!

i see you are not ignoring ALL of my posts, but at least you are sidestepping the points i make still.

so let me ask, what made you change your mind and get back to work starting all those businesses all of a sudden?

basement getting lonely?

12/30/2010

NLXSK1 said:
I was planning on building a business that would have generated alot of income. I would have had employees, I had a business plan... Then Obama showed up on the scene

01/05/2011

NLXSK1 said:
LOL... If I had your attitude I would just shoot myself.

Good thing I am too busy starting businesses to bother.

londonfog · Jan 7, 2011

beardo said:
That's funny...you think the people in control are people we vote for and elect. The people in control are appointed and we can't vote them out.

That's what you said ....and you used we yourself..so please follow along....if we voted for someone and they are elected and then they appoint someone then thats just like us appointing that person...and you really need to understand what an advisor does..He can advise meaning to give advice..meaning to give a recommendation...The elected official ( the person who WE voted for ) still has to make the decision.

beardo · Jan 7, 2011

londonfog said:
That's what you said ....and you used we yourself..so please follow along....if we voted for someone and they are elected and then they appoint someone then thats just like us appointing that person...and you really need to understand what an advisor does..He can advise meaning to give advice..meaning to give a recommendation...The elected official ( the person who WE voted for ) still has to make the decision.

Not all appointees are advisors although some are...and not all advisors athority is strictly limited to giving advise and dependent on approval of an elected official. I don't think our military advisors in vietnam called anyone to give advise before returning fire in Nam. I did not realize you approve of all poilcies based on the belief that If someone is in office they were chosen by us and represent us and all of their policies are their for what we want ant the same as well for anyone else they put in office.

NoDrama · Jan 7, 2011

londonfog said:
That's what you said ....and you used we yourself..so please follow along....if we voted for someone and they are elected and then they appoint someone then thats just like us appointing that person...and you really need to understand what an advisor does..He can advise meaning to give advice..meaning to give a recommendation...The elected official ( the person who WE voted for ) still has to make the decision.

So if some politician promises the sky and then reneges on almost every promise he made and starts appointing corrupt people to very powerful positions only because they follow the same agenda and you think that is the same as us doing it? C'Mon, you don't really believe that do you?

londonfog · Jan 7, 2011

NoDrama said:
So if some politician promises the sky and then reneges on almost every promise he made and starts appointing corrupt people to very powerful positions only because they follow the same agenda and you think that is the same as us doing it? C'Mon, you don't really believe that do you?

Dude our discussion was who was in charge...just becasue you appoint an advisor does not make that advisor in charge..the order still come from your elected official...so stop grabbing

londonfog · Jan 7, 2011

beardo said:
Not all appointees are advisors although some are...and not all advisors athority is strictly limited to giving advise and dependent on approval of an elected official. I don't think our military advisors in vietnam called anyone to give advise before returning fire in Nam. I did not realize you approve of all poilcies based on the belief that If someone is in office they were chosen by us and represent us and all of their policies are their for what we want ant the same as well for anyone else they put in office.

please name me one advisor who does not have to answer to an elected official. Name me one advisor who can operate on his/her own.

beardo · Jan 7, 2011

londonfog said:
please name me one advisor who does not have to answer to an elected official. Name me one advisor who can operate on his/her own.

My first answer would be, anyone on the supreme court. Their not really called Advisors, but I believe they act as advisors to the govt and president and are not subordanate or accountable to them except during confermation process.

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