4 strains, all quirky/RED stems

Ah so you're RO?

Are you bringing your 0.05EC water up to about 0.4EC with Ca / Mg / Fe in that order of strength?? Kinda long the lines of 0.2EC Ca - 1.5EC Mg - 0.5EC Fe, ther'll be a tonne of NPK and Trace in there for weeks dude

Pure RO will drag nutrient out of a plant that small, possibly . . . .


ime, one needs to forget upstairs and concentrate on downstairs. Get a root ball built in soil like you have, NO NUTRIENT, just gentle rooting hormones or what ever you choose . . .. you'd do well to introduce some beneficial bacteria an fungi right about now, but no Trico just yet.

Nutadactyl said:

Hit them all with a light r/o watering, all these stems are shedding, can't find info anywhere on that... One fell over .

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Thanks semper! I gave them their first watering with r/o (not phd' seemed low post) but with calmag in the form of vegamatrix boost. My largest plant is no longer touching the ground which I hope is good as it was very droooppy. One I decided I'd sacrifice and hit with distilled water. Runoff was a little under 6? My well water has a water softener which by my understanding uses salts, it has a ph of 7 but started to water in case water was my issue. Maybe well water and calmag? Would love to lower my light down from 3 and a half feet. Just want to make sure curling isn't from light burn. Temp and humidity are good~ I fed at 1/16 strength nutes with well water 1 cup or so at 3rd day. I agree with this red being not acceptable. Should I raise the soil ph? Thanks everyone!

No probl3m dude . . . .

Do you own an EC meter?? Before you go adding anything to you well water, we to to get an idea of the total dissolved solids in the water, the EC, PPM . . . . .

Your RO is the safest bet right now as, if the filters are good, you know what you're giving your plants once you've mixed. With RO, 0.4EC of the blend mentioned earlier, every single watering . . . . ime


CAN NOT STRESS ENOUGH THIS EARLY ON IN THE GAME . . . . . PH EVERYTHING THAT ENTERS YOUR CONTAINER TO 6.5, DON'T BE LAZY 'BOUT IT and allow for at least 10% run off, which should be checked for EC n PH imho.

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Thanks semper! I gave them their first watering with r/o (not phd' seemed low post) but with calmag in the form of vegamatrix boost. My largest plant is no longer touching the ground which I hope is good as it was very droooppy. One I decided I'd sacrifice and hit with distilled water. Runoff was a little under 6? My well water has a water softener which by my understanding uses salts, it has a ph of 7 but started to water in case water was my issue. Maybe well water and calmag? Would love to lower my light down from 3 and a half feet. Just want to make sure curling isn't from light burn. Temp and humidity are good~ I fed at 1/16 strength nutes with well water 1 cup or so at 3rd day. I agree with this red being not acceptable. Should I raise the soil ph? Thanks everyone!

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If I'm watering to the point of runoff, how often should I water? Thanks for that info ill stop using litmus paper and try to get a ph tester asap!

Great idea, digi gives a clearer picture, if you have the budget, grab an EC meter too dude, it will tell you the strength of everything going in and out . . . .

It's always amazes me how light a pot can get before I need to water, personally, if i can grab the trunk and l can lift everything, then I water . .. BUT you've started in 5gals, the right thing to do with autos, so, no watering for a week I'd guess, just keep humidity high by keeping the top 1/8th inch of soil moist by spraying with fresh tap. chloramine included, stops algae, with a touch of Ca and Mg in it (provided we know your tap EC first) . . . .

Put plastic bags or buy humidity domes to put over them for the next few days, see what 90% humidity does to them

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If I'm watering to the point of runoff, how often should I water? Thanks for that info ill stop using litmus paper and try to get a ph tester asap!

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I'm going to make some sort of dome and put it on one of the blueberries just to troubleshoot. Since I don't yet know my ppms, should I spray with reverse osmosis water? Humidity stating at 77 temps going from 72-77 tops. Should I be using great white microbes in my waterings or would this maybe be bad. My largest lime is continuing to perk up slightly! I can only hope! How many would you suggest for max yield in a 4x4 BTW? I had 12 lost one doing drastic testing on another 2 was hoping 9 would be good~

There's nothing in RO water . . . . if you spray your plants with it, there's a real danger you will purge what nutrients are in the plant.

Do not do a single thing with RO water unless you have amended it with no less the 0.3EC, no more than 0.5EC of Ca/Mg/Fe in Veg or Mg/Ca/Fe in flower . . . . . .imho . . . . .

4x4 I run 4 . . . . . .the more plants you have the more shade you will have!!!

Yes get microbes in, a good grower forgets the canopy in the first week, and concentrates on great foundations!!



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holy crap u are going way to deep for soil

RO and PPM are only really needed in Hydro/CoCo runs .............this is soil

soil is simple
1 chemical feeds have power but they can mess with PH and has salt build up
2 organic feeds are simpler but they have less power ....the benefit of organics is no flushing need and PH is stable do to micros in the soil

watering
u want to water so the soil has enough to use .....over watering so it flushes out is only needed when u are flushing the soil or checking the PH ......other wise u are partly doing some damage (flushing out the micro in the soil lowering the number of them making the ones left work harder )

the amount of water is related to the size of the planter along with the size of plant
seedling to 2 nodes 1 quart of water with feed mixed to 1/2 str and full power on the micro (voodoo juice/ tarantula/ prinana)
2 nodes to 4 nodes 2 quarts of water full power mix
5 nodes and up u should be increase the water untill u reach the maximum retention lvl for the planter (5 gallons planter is just shy of US gallon 3.79 liters us gallon)

For sure m man, if all is tickety boo, your words are gospel . . . .but we have a soil grower here that has run into problems . . . . .we need to attend to these problems . . . .

Flushing to find out end PH and EC is such a good start for me . . . . .wouldn't you agree???

watering
u want to water so the soil has enough to use .....over watering so it flushes out is only needed when u are flushing the soil or checking the PH ......other wise u are partly doing some damage (flushing out the micro in the soil lowering the number of them making the ones left work harder )

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I'm pretty sure the flora do not get washed away, as they form symbiotic links throughout the soil nad roots. . . . . flushing does not harm the soil food web, neither does chlorinated municipal water . . . . imho . . .

justugh said:

holy crap u are going way to deep for soil

RO and PPM are only really needed in Hydro/CoCo runs .............this is soil

soil is simple
1 chemical feeds have power but they can mess with PH and has salt build up
2 organic feeds are simpler but they have less power ....the benefit of organics is no flushing need and PH is stable do to micros in the soil

watering
u want to water so the soil has enough to use .....over watering so it flushes out is only needed when u are flushing the soil or checking the PH ......other wise u are partly doing some damage (flushing out the micro in the soil lowering the number of them making the ones left work harder )

the amount of water is related to the size of the planter along with the size of plant
seedling to 2 nodes 1 quart of water with feed mixed to 1/2 str and full power on the micro (voodoo juice/ tarantula/ prinana)
2 nodes to 4 nodes 2 quarts of water full power mix
5 nodes and up u should be increase the water untill u reach the maximum retention lvl for the planter (5 gallons planter is just shy of US gallon 3.79 liters us gallon)

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Semper.Fi said:

For sure m man, if all is tickety boo, your words are gospel . . . .but we have a soil grower here that has run into problems . . . . .we need to attend to these problems . . . .

Flushing to find out end PH and EC is such a good start for me . . . . .wouldn't you agree???


I'm pretty sure the flora do not get washed away, as they form symbiotic links throughout the soil nad roots. . . . . flushing does not harm the soil food web, imho . . .

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not EC .....ph is possible but given the age of the plant and the soil original ph setting that should not be the issue

if he is going to do a flush and check this soon then might as well go with something that will end well
get your water PH it to 6.5 add a air stone to the bucket for a hour make sure the water temp is at about 65-68

pour that thought....6.5 gallon bucket say u do 6 gallons now at the end get a shot glass and capture some of the that run off (test ph should be 6.5 )

after that get 1 gallon of water PH it then add in sets of micros plus rooting feed(has hormones in it) pour that tho wait until it stop dripping and put back in area for 4 days before feeding it


like i said in the original post odds are it is N it needs
1 cause of that is over watering so just change the habit .......add in 1/2 power grow in the water to give it the boost it needs ....and the rooting just to get a better plant

humbled m man . . . .. I've never gone fully organic. . . . . thank you muchly . . .. more data for the bank . . . . .

I hand over to @justugh, my knowledge comes from a fair bit of mineral usage, I only have one Veganic test plant going atm . . . . . tis true, it's a different style of growing . . . .


Ta bro

justugh said:

not EC .....ph is possible but given the age of the plant and the soil original ph setting that should not be the issue

if he is going to do a flush and check this soon then might as well go with something that will end well
get your water PH it to 6.5 add a air stone to the bucket for a hour make sure the water temp is at about 65-68

pour that thought....6.5 gallon bucket say u do 6 gallons now at the end get a shot glass and capture some of the that run off (test ph should be 6.5 )

after that get 1 gallon of water PH it then add in sets of micros plus rooting feed(has hormones in it) pour that tho wait until it stop dripping and put back in area for 4 days before feeding it


like i said in the original post odds are it is N it needs
1 cause of that is over watering so just change the habit .......add in 1/2 power grow in the water to give it the boost it needs ....and the rooting just to get a better plant

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the air stone to the bucket is a trick i picked up

it is great for flushing .......the plants roots do not drowned so less droop recovery time

I have airstones but only for my brew bucket, you're saying an airstone introduces enough extra O2 to the water that it prevents roots from starving of oxygen when flooded ????

justugh said:

the air stone to the bucket is a trick i picked up

it is great for flushing .......the plants roots do not drowned so less droop recovery time

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Semper.Fi said:

humbled m man . . . .. I've never gone fully organic. . . . . thank you muchly . . .. more data for the bank . . . . .

I hand over to @justugh, my knowledge comes from a fair bit of mineral usage, I only have one Veganic test plant going atm . . . . . tis true, it's a different style of growing . . . .


Ta bro

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wow thanks

hydro gets u a big load ....but soil u get a higher THC and better taste

personally i use a mix of chemical and organic ........it is balance act for yield and power
if u want to try some organics .....the go box is a good starter kit ......and u can think about compost teas (they have some power to them but hard to maintain atleast for me)

Semper.Fi said:

I have airstones but only for my brew bucket, you're saying an airstone introduces enough extra O2 to the water that it prevents roots from starving of oxygen when flooded ????







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yep
u keep that water temp low it has alot of dissolved oxygen in it so when the plants need something during the flush it gets it .......plus it left over in the water that did not pour out
the lower the temp of water the more oxygen it can hold so 65 is good roots cool but not cold and the oxygen retention is fairly high

Nicely . . ..

I'm not hydro, I'm soil too . . . .
I'm just mixing Canna's Bio range with GH Flora series atm, with a few other things . . . . . . I've got some of GH's Bio stuff too . . . . I am loving the dankness from the more organically fed plants

Teas, yeah man, got a wicked recipe . . . . .. I do that weekly

justugh said:

wow thanks

hydro gets u a big load ....but soil u get a higher THC and better taste

personally i use a mix of chemical and organic ........it is balance act for yield and power
if u want to try some organics .....the go box is a good starter kit ......and u can think about compost teas (they have some power to them but hard to maintain atleast for me)

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B Blammmmmm . . . . .diamond words, I'll look into it . . . . . .


What are your thoughts on using chlorinated (not chloramine) tap water with the SFW ???

So you do flush????

justugh said:

yep
u keep that water temp low it has alot of dissolved oxygen in it so when the plants need something during the flush it gets it .......plus it left over in the water that did not pour out
the lower the temp of water the more oxygen it can hold so 65 is good roots cool but not cold and the oxygen retention is fairly high

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Semper.Fi said:

B Blammmmmm . . . . .diamond words, I'll look into it . . . . . .


What are your thoughts on using chlorinated (not chloramine) tap water with the SFW ???

So you do flush????
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i flush when i need too ..........i use a mix of chemical and orgainc i am by no means a master so i do mess up my PH now and then from to much chemical my little guys get out of whack

watch out for KoolBloom that and autos do not mix ..........it pushed the plant to fast

chlorinated water horrible ..........fill up bath tub with hottest water u can and let it cool to room temp to help purge out the chemicals or get a simple hose filter to remove it

i am well water with 60 ppm .......pipes are a mix of copper with Cpvp ....we do have hard water ....ph 5.9 out of tap

im pretty much soil less and i still dont go that far in depth....pretty much every one of my seedlings has some purple / red to the stem ive only fed a light humic acid solution up until this point

Semper.Fi said:

Hey how ya doing . . . . .

ime . . . .a reddening/pruple . . . (anything other than bright green) of a seedlings stem is an indication the soil is a little too hot . . . . . .



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forgot to add my tap water is artesian 3-4 gallons per minute free flowing if you open the well head ph 6.5 - 6.9