30ish Yr old Columbian Gold Seed Sprouts. Do I Want it to be a Male or Female?

Make this a Male or a Female-30 yr old columbian Gold Sprout

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keepitcoastal

keepitcoastal

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Hotwired said:
NOT an indica. Hybrid at best leaning towards sativa. Wait till those leaves get big. Thin and pointy they will be..................says Yoda
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agreed i have a bunch of indicas and hybrid seedlings in veg and that looks way more like my blueberry sativa dominant hybrid than my white russian indica dominant seeds

seedlings almost allways look similar and are hard to distinguish till they mature more anyway

i think i even remember seeing a thread of people trying to tell sombody his seedlings wernet weed they were tomatoes..... my point is people dont know wtf there talking about all the time so just keep growing it and say fuck off to these haters
 
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growone

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it's many years ago, but i did some columbian outdoor grows, so i saw some of the phenos
they didn't have super skinny leaves(best of memory), don't recall exactly what they were like, but not real skinny
but that's just a few different bags of bag seeds, who knows how many different varieties there were at one time
 
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jethead

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Timmahh said:
ty Jethead.

obviously, it wasnt my intention to cause confusion. im pretty darn sure this is a CG bean that sprouted. But, I cant say with 100% certainty, which i havent done. but yes, i will defend my original statement, that im 99.9% sure it is. But its a bean stashed away 30ish yrs ago, that was stashed with only a few (3 to be exact) HB seeds. and while id Love to be 100% sure its what i fully believe it is, i WONT make that claim unless i can verify it 100%.

so what can i absolutly without a doubt verify now.
1. i put the seed up 30ish yrs ago. i say 30ish, becuz idont recall for sure when i packed it away, could of been between 79 and 82/83 maybe.
2. I can verify i put approximatly a dozen CG seeds in this cup, and a few HB beans.
3. i can verify, 12/13 CG seeds did nothing.
4. i can verify 1 of 3 hb seeds did nothing.
5. i can verify i have 2 hb seeds left. and one Sprout i fully believe is from the CG beans.
6. i can verify i personally picked these beans up after breaking up a kilo of Stamped CG in 78/79 (yes i was only 14 when said kilo was split).
7. I can verify CG seeds were dark brown with near black striations on them, and Hawaian Blue seeds where light green in color. the CG seeds were about 2mm in diameter, and the BH seeds are about 1.5mm in diameter.

look at it this way, what intention would i have in lying about it, if i have no intention of even thinking of selling, giveing, gifting anything from this plant, UNLESS i can 100% verify its what i Claim? this is a forum afterall, isnt the whole INTENTION of a forum to share, question, research and enjoy conversation of things of perticular interest of an individual? This bean is 30is yrs old. the fact it Sprouted at all is kind of remarkable. and even that claim has to be taken with a grain of salt, cuz no one here but 2 or 3 people, even know me personally. and I ll tell you right now, the 2 or 3 other RIU members that do know me here, have even fewer posts that I, and are also new to RIU as we are New to the now LEGAL use of MMJ in Michigan.

i welcome all discussion. and i can greatly appreciate the "OH BULL SHIT" meter going off.

but im a straight shooter. i honestly believe in the shareing of good and accurate information for the good of all.

and if this is really an original Columbian Gold plant, and it can be proven, and can bring back some of that old knock your dick in the dirt dank of yesteryear, isnt it worth a thread of 3 of its own?

i just want to see the plant grow. if i can prove it is infact CG, excellent. cuz if i can, the COMMUNITY as a whole will get to experience at some point, what us old smokers are talking about when we say, Not much was better then or now, than a good quality Columbian Gold. unless its the old skook AC, or Maui Wawi, or Hawian strains from the same time persiod.

Ive smoked alot of good Medicine over my lifetime. and to date, ive only found one or two more recent strains comparable to the real old skook dank.
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Fair enough. As I stated in a few posts back, Good Lck . I hope you find what you are looking for. And for the way it looks, comparing it with the 2 plants I'm growing, Blueberry Gum and a Haze, it looks more like the Blueberry Gum. A wider leaf is Indica or Indica hybrid and the narrower leafs are sativa or sativa hybred and so on. I would say now looking at it,IMO,a indy hyred. I do remember seeing the tiger striped seeds but I still see them around every once in awhile. Peace, jethead
 
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jethead

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growone said:
it's many years ago, but i did some columbian outdoor grows, so i saw some of the phenos
they didn't have super skinny leaves(best of memory), don't recall exactly what they were like, but not real skinny
but that's just a few different bags of bag seeds, who knows how many different varieties there were at one time
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This is true,i remember that. Thinking about it, you'll have to wait a couple of weeks before anybody can tell maybe longer. I have to say, your plant looks good after the transplant.
 
Hotwired

Hotwired

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The first "true" leaves almost always look the same no matter the type. Once you get your first 3 fingered leaf you should be able to tell right away. Those don't look fat to me at all.
 
Timmahh

Timmahh

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right on. ive seen many a weed, but growing them seems to change the perception. lmao.

with that said. i just got home last night from work, did a trans of the 2 girls i have going, cleaned the room, and put them back in, and went to day for 12 hrs for work, just got home a few hrs ago. havnt got a pic today, but going to do that so pic coming in a minute or 10.

thanx for the info and good decisive chat. i like (as if you couldnt tell lol) good intelligent debate. yea i can get a bit spirited too. we all can. lol but my only concerns is trying to prove what it is, if possible, regardles of what it is. at the very least, its a 30 yr old plant of what was some kick your ass smoke, which i recall being those CG seeds i picked. all i can do is hope they are, and i can validate it. cuz thats when shit gets interesting, in the lost/hard to find strain sence of it.
 
Timmahh

Timmahh

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9:45 tonight. 10days after grounding, 9 1/2 after sprouting.









Does it look a lil fuzzy? not the pic but the leaf?
 
Gastanker

Gastanker

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Hope it's a female and spray a branch with colloidal silver to save some pollen (might as well make some fem seeds of it while you're at it).
 
Dizzle Frost

Dizzle Frost

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dude it looks good.....i so hope this is the real deal...yur gonna have to go in hiding with all the asking for a cut LOL
 
Timmahh

Timmahh

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not going to be any femmed seeds unless it is the only option.

just eager to see if its male or female, and whats its classification, Sativa, or Indy (now that the 2nd and 3rd pair of leaves (extremely small) are showing, it may be easier to determing which it is soon.

i ll be pulling it from its styro cup either this weekend or next for a 5 or 6 inch pot.
 
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cruzer101

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Glad to see she made it while you were gone. I must admit, I did twinge when I saw her out of the soil during your transplant. Good to hear you got that confusion settled with previous journal. Just thought I would ad my opinion of the genetics, I'ts my understanding that over the years with cross breeding we have increased the strength of marijuana. Assuming this really is Colombian gold, It wouldn't surprise me if once this is done it isn't as potent as the hybrids we have now. Something I read, Colombian gold was gold in color because they dried it in the sun. Anyways, I was around back then and smoked my share of it. Used to get lids for $60 If you wanna send me a sample of the finished product I would be happy to give you my opinion.
 
Timmahh

Timmahh

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this plant, until i can get a verification of what it is, will grow as it is now. i ll keep it under veg. once its a bit larger, i ll be able to take a few cuts to send off to a lab to have genetics tests done if possible. i ll also take some cuts to put into bloom, and finish off to see the end results.


once i Know conclusively what I have, then i ll decide what to do with it. its going to be a tedious process, and unless im pretty certain its what i claim, im guessing a pretty large expence and possible legal issues (sending samples for testing ect...) to infact verify my claim.
I would say, fairly risky even, just to prove a lineage.

if i were on the outside looking in, on this type of situation, thats what i would be thinking.
but with that said, Worth the Risk if it is.

have some running to do. when i get back, i ll grab a few pics for todays journal post.
its looking great. and i may move it to a 5 in pot, which should be a simple out of the styro into the dirt. no shock type thing really.
but i may let it go till next week also. not sure.

once i put up a pic, let me know what you think. leave it in the styro for another week, or move it to a 5 in pot?
 
hammer6913

hammer6913

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i dont know much about labs and that but how would they compare it with anything to prove its lineage. i dont watch csi but wouldnt there need to be a comparison
 
Brick Top

Brick Top

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Dizzle Frost said:
if i had a choice id want a female..if you wanted to breed with it youd wanna see if its hermie prone i guess.
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There is a way to find out and it goes beyond just growing out a female.

If you are serious about creating quality feminized seeds, not just any female plant should be used. Ideally, you want to start with a true female mother, who has been proven not to express the hermaphrodite trait under stressful conditions. This is a fairly time-intensive task, however the process itself is fairly simple.

To find a suitable mother, the candidate mother plants need to go through a “boot camp” to identify the ones who will not turn hermie under stress. While this step can technically be skipped, if the time and effort is taken to do this you can ensure that the seeds produced from your efforts are the very best females without the risk of losing a crop to a “raping” hermie.

Basically, the candidate plants are put under a controlled stress regime to identify plants with the hermaphrodite trait. This can be done with female candidates that have completed the vegative cycle and are ready to be flowered by using the following light schedule:

1) The lights are turned on 12/12 for 10 days
2) Lights are turned on 24 hours
3) 12/12 again for 5 days
4) Lights are turned on 24 hours
5) 12/12 again for a few weeks

At the end of this light cycle, plants need to be closely inspected to look for the presence of plants with both male and female flowers. These are then discarded. Any remaining females can be considered to not have the hermie trait, and are suitable for the next step.
 
Brick Top

Brick Top

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Timmahh said:
ive been reading you can influance the sex of the plant with Heat and Nutes. im just starting to research it, which is why im here asking the old timers and well versed growers how to sway it, and which way it should be swayed.
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I am sure this info is coming far too late but it has been claimed that environmental factors start influencing sex the moment the seedling has three pairs of true leaves (not counting cotyledon). Environmental factors that influence sex determination of cannabis include but are not limited to:

Increasing the level of nitrogen makes more female plants. Lower the nitrogen level to create more male plants. Increase the level of potassium to increase male tendencies; lowering the potassium level encourages female plants. A higher nitrogen level and a lower potassium level for the first two weeks increases females.

Low temperatures increase the number of female plants. Warm temperatures make more male plants.

High humidity increases the number of female plants. Low humidity increases male plants.

Low growing-medium moisture increases males.

More blue light increases the number of female plants. More red light increases male tendencies.

Fewer hours of daylight (e.g. 14 hours) increases the number of females. Longer days (e.g. 18 hours) make
more male plants. Stress: any environmental stress tends to yield more male plants when growing from seed.
 
Timmahh

Timmahh

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thanx for the info Bricktop! Dont think its all that late. the baby is only just over a week old from sprout.
heat in day (light on) is about ave at 82. 70 or so at night (light off). Humidity is around 25% to 28% steady. only stress is when a bit dry, or transplanting as far as i can tell.


heres a couple pics from 5pm today.






So the big ? currently. Do i leave it till next weekend as is, or put it into a 5inch pot tonight? i head off to work in the am for most of the week. maybe back as early as wed eve, but dont expect to be back till thru or friday even.

So what say you? Transnow, or later?
 
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growone

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nice and interesting picture, i think i see some purpling branch stems
my columbian grow experience is old and small, but i don't recall any purple on them
i think that is much more common in some of the more modern indica crosses?
but i'd say for a single plant, who knows what's possible
 
theexpress

theexpress

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Timmahh said:
thanx for the info Bricktop! Dont think its all that late. the baby is only just over a week old from sprout.
heat in day (light on) is about ave at 82. 70 or so at night (light off). Humidity is around 25% to 28% steady. only stress is when a bit dry, or transplanting as far as i can tell.


heres a couple pics from 5pm today.






So the big ? currently. Do i leave it till next weekend as is, or put it into a 5inch pot tonight? i head off to work in the am for most of the week. maybe back as early as wed eve, but dont expect to be back till thru or friday even.

So what say you? Transnow, or later?
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wait till the first set of rounded leaves die off then transplant her all the way up to right under the set of single serrated leaves.....

all that area that was stem will turn into root
 
Timmahh

Timmahh

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that sounds like some solid info. i was going to go to the 1st pair of leaves when i do it. but that makes sence. you can see a healthy looking stem area above the 1st pair at the 1st set of leaves. so i was going to go that deep minimum with it.

Thanx, gives me a point in time when to transplant.
 
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jethead

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Timmahh said:
that sounds like some solid info. i was going to go to the 1st pair of leaves when i do it. but that makes sence. you can see a healthy looking stem area above the 1st pair at the 1st set of leaves. so i was going to go that deep minimum with it.

Thanx, gives me a point in time when to transplant.
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Hey man, looking good. IMHO I would not follow that advice. Maybe with a tomato plant. If you keep your plant healthy enough , your 1st set of leaves won't fall off for awhile. I would transplant to your final container (you can do this in a week or so, or even right now if you want). This will keep the stress down on your plant. I would use some kind of root microbes or excellerator. Google " extreme gardener" look for MYKOS. these microbes attach to your roots . I started using this and it works great. Peace, jethead
 
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