24 Trillion Stolen SO Far...

TreesOfLife

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Goldman Sachs Lack of Love Puts Profit at Risk: David Reilly

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Commentary by David Reilly


July 22 (Bloomberg) -- Weathering the aftermath of the financial crisis may prove tougher for Goldman Sachs Group Inc. than surviving the storm.
Long the Wall Street firm everyone loves to hate, Goldman saw the brickbats rain down last week after it posted blowout second-quarter results and set aside a record amount for compensation. Even the arch-conservative Wall Street Journal editorial page joined the attacks.
Usually, Goldman takes a sticks-and-stones approach to such vitriol, even if being labeled a “great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity” by Rolling Stone magazine is new. This time, though, names may hurt the bank and its share price.
Goldman is at the center of the debate over regulation of too-big-to-fail institutions that benefited from what was estimated this week to be a $23.7 trillion bailout of the financial system. Even President Barack Obama singled out the firm when talking of the need for change on Wall Street.
“Now, there are some companies, like Goldman Sachs, that have paid the money back and that means that we don’t have the same kind of levers on them that we might have,” Obama said during an interview on PBS earlier this week. “And that’s why I think it’s important to pass this broader financial regulatory reform package.”
The danger for Goldman is that it becomes a focal point for populist bailout ire, leading the government to take a tougher stance on regulation. Treating too-big-to-fail institutions as financial utilities, for example, would curtail Goldman’s ability to generate returns on equity in excess of 20 percent.
Clear Picture
So until the policy picture becomes clearer, it’s tough to justify talk of a return to valuations for Goldman’s stock greater than two times book value, or its net worth. After gaining more than 15 percent in the past 10 trading days, Goldman’s stock is now priced at about 1.5 times second-quarter book value.
Goldman will have to work hard to see that its wings don’t get clipped, especially after posting second-quarter net income of $3.4 billion and setting aside $11.4 billion in the first half of 2009 for compensation and benefits.
For starters, most folks aren’t quite sure how Goldman manages to make prodigious amounts of money. That leads to a feeling the firm must either be taking huge risks, or unduly benefiting from its extensive government connections.
Goldman hasn’t done a good job dispelling such notions and it sometimes makes matters worse. The firm has failed to adequately explain its trading relationship with American International Group Inc. and give a clear sense of whether and how it benefited from the massive bailout of the insurance giant.
Bubble Times
The firm’s 23 percent return on equity in the second quarter also struck some investors as more reminiscent of bubbly times. An old rule of thumb is that the higher a financial firm’s return on equity, the bigger the risk taken to make its money.
On top of that, much of Goldman’s systemic risk stems from its big role in derivatives markets. With outstanding derivatives contracts with a notional value of $48 trillion, Goldman trails only JPMorgan Chase & Co. with $81.1 trillion and Bank of America Corp. with $77 trillion in contracts, according to Office of the Comptroller of the Currency.
Yet Goldman’s total credit exposure from derivatives contracts is more than 10 times its capital, or the buffer available to absorb losses, according to the OCC. That compares with just 3.2 times for JPMorgan and 1.7 times for Bank of America.
Trimming Risks
For its part, Goldman says it has trimmed the risks it takes while shrinking its balance sheet. Over the past year the firm has halved the amount of borrowed funds, or leverage, it uses.
Goldman has also built up the amount of liquidity, or short-term funding, to record levels, while bolstering its cushion against loss. The firm’s Tier 1 ratio, a measure of regulatory capital, stood at 13.8 percent at the end of the second quarter, compared with 9.7 percent at JPMorgan.
“The world is still a tough place,” Goldman Chief Financial Officer David Viniarsaid on the firm’s earnings call last week. “We’re going to be conservative.”
And in all the Goldman bashing, one thing gets lost: it was the only major investment banking firm that avoided self- inflicted wounds during the crisis.
Bear Stearns Cos., Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and Merrill Lynch & Co. all to some degree had a hand in their own demise, while Morgan Stanley tripped itself up on a botched trading strategy.
Avoiding Landmines
Goldman didn’t step on one of its own landmines and insulated itself early on from the worst of the slump in housing and financial markets.
True, Goldman and Morgan are only alive today because the government propped up the financial system. The same is likely true, though, for others like JPMorgan and especially Citigroup Inc.
Not to mention that the bailouts were meant to keep financial institutions afloat so they could eventually make money. So Goldman did what the government wanted.
The problem is that what the government gives, it may also take away. And in a new era of frugality, the risk is real that policy decisions will be driven by headlines about huge Goldman profits and bonuses.
If that’s the case, Goldman may find its image crisis turning into a profit problem.
(David Reilly is a Bloomberg News columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.)
To contact the writer of this column: David Reilly at [email protected]
Last Updated: July 21, 2009 21:00 EDT
 

GrowRebel

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This is another reason why 911 when down ... so they could continue to loot the treasury with impunity ... in fact I found a video indicating just that and will put it in my 911 thread ...
these assholes in Washington are crooks and they are going to continue to loot the treasury and commit crimes until we the people stop them. That all there is to it. People are going to have to make a decision to stand with a group working to stop these criminals or keep sticking their ass up so the crooks can keep :hump: them. The looting will not stop until we stop them.
 

ViRedd

New Member
This is why I said we are witnessing the world's largest train robbery when Paulson first rammed through the first stimulous packages. With government, its never enough wether they are taking our political liberty or our economic liberty.

Vi
 

Microdizzey

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This is why I said we are witnessing the world's largest train robbery when Paulson first rammed through the first stimulous packages. With government, its never enough wether they are taking our political liberty or our economic liberty.

Vi
Yeah... but how the hell did they manage to take this unspeakable amount of money. And why the hell are the American people not talking about this? Why aren't people pissed?

Did you know, you owe $80,000 now? Your children, your parents, your spouse, your siblings. Why are the people not angry yet? Are they really that ignorant and blind?! This is just unreal, it's unimaginable. 24 trillion dollars... lol. Our national debt is only 11.6 trillion. Umm, hello? Why is this not a hot topic?

You know what's funny about it all? They could have paid every household a fat $200,000 check. Can you imagine what that would do to the economy? Spending sprees galore, we would fix this bullshit. But no. They wanted to fucking steal it all and give us NOTHING.

Now I know for certain. It is hopeless, nobody cares and this robbery will continue. Goodbye America.
 

Dolce Vita

Active Member
Yeah... but how the hell did they manage to take this unspeakable amount of money. And why the hell are the American people not talking about this? Why aren't people pissed?

Did you know, you owe $80,000 now? Your children, your parents, your spouse, your siblings. Why are the people not angry yet? Are they really that ignorant and blind?! This is just unreal, it's unimaginable. 24 trillion dollars... lol. Our national debt is only 11.6 trillion. Umm, hello? Why is this not a hot topic?

You know what's funny about it all? They could have paid every household a fat $200,000 check. Can you imagine what that would do to the economy? Spending sprees galore, we would fix this bullshit. But no. They wanted to fucking steal it all and give us NOTHING.

Now I know for certain. It is hopeless, nobody cares and this robbery will continue. Goodbye America.
My theory is the the people have been trained to not care. but you can put aig up and make out what they did (legally) and get the people to protest and hate them, but whats 24 trillion among friends right? what .001% realize is that money is going to be spent and its prolly going to be spent against us.
 

TreesOfLife

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Yeah... but how the hell did they manage to take this unspeakable amount of money. And why the hell are the American people not talking about this? Why aren't people pissed?

Did you know, you owe $80,000 now? Your children, your parents, your spouse, your siblings. Why are the people not angry yet? Are they really that ignorant and blind?! This is just unreal, it's unimaginable. 24 trillion dollars... lol. Our national debt is only 11.6 trillion. Umm, hello? Why is this not a hot topic?

You know what's funny about it all? They could have paid every household a fat $200,000 check. Can you imagine what that would do to the economy? Spending sprees galore, we would fix this bullshit. But no. They wanted to fucking steal it all and give us NOTHING.

Now I know for certain. It is hopeless, nobody cares and this robbery will continue. Goodbye America.
Hell they could have given every man, woman, and child a million dollars. That would only be about 300 million dollars.
 

NoDrama

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if they gave everyone a million dollars there would be inflation the likes you have never witnessed. A loaf of bread would cost 100,000.
 

Microdizzey

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if they gave everyone a million dollars there would be inflation the likes you have never witnessed. A loaf of bread would cost 100,000.
Haha yeah that would be quite ridiculous. But with the money they have spent from the bailout bill, they could have gave $200,000 to every household in America (which is roughly 110 million homes I believe). I think it's safe to say that the spending would revive our economy and boost it sky high. The money would go straight into our economy.

So instead of giving the money to the American people, they handed $24,000,000,000,000 to private interest. Shouldn't that be effecting the US dollar... extremely?

Alright this makes no sense. How could they have spent that much in just one year? It seems impossible...
 

Xeno420

Active Member
This is another reason why 911 when down ... so they could continue to loot the treasury with impunity ... in fact I found a video indicating just that and will put it in my 911 thread ...
these assholes in Washington are crooks and they are going to continue to loot the treasury and commit crimes until we the people stop them. That all there is to it. People are going to have to make a decision to stand with a group working to stop these criminals or keep sticking their ass up so the crooks can keep :hump: them. The looting will not stop until we stop them.
I smell nationwide protests. shit, U.S. Government is just as bad as Chinas Gov or the Soviet Gov. Bastards are c:evil:mmunists.
 

NoDrama

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The money is currently being held so that they may buy the other 5% of the world they don't already own. Tin Foil hat enough for ya? How about my prediction that we will see the economy further deteriorate by late fall if not earlier. I know this because Ben Bernanke said there would be a recovery during the last quarter and every time he says that it doesn't happen. Politicians live in Bizzaro world and they mean the opposite of what they say. As long as you know that, its easy to figure out what they are doing. Man am I high.
 

Mcgician

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The moment economic speak begins with the words "billions" or "trillions", most Americans lose sight of the actual quantity those numbers truly represent. People need things dumbed down for them to make them care. You have to tell people something like, "the average taxpayer is now in the hole for the next ____ years, and one way or another $____ is what your burden will be in order to get back to even." Numbers like those are out of the scope of understanding for most people. Hell, a billion used to mean something. Nowadays, it's just a drop in the bucket the way Congress spends OUR money. It pisses me off.
 

ilkhan

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I know what a trillion dollars will buy.
90-100 super-carriers,
with approx 80 combat and support aircraft each,
and the pay for and train the 5-600,000 men to man them all.

Or One Battlestar. (only sorta kiding here, It wouldn't have FTL)
 

Dolce Vita

Active Member
I know what a trillion dollars will buy.
90-100 super-carriers,
with approx 80 combat and support aircraft each,
and the pay for and train the 5-600,000 men to man them all.

Or One Battlestar. (only sorta kiding here, It wouldn't have FTL)
haha well i know what im getting when i got a trillion$
 

Microdizzey

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The moment economic speak begins with the words "billions" or "trillions", most Americans lose sight of the actual quantity those numbers truly represent. People need things dumbed down for them to make them care. You have to tell people something like, "the average taxpayer is now in the hole for the next ____ years, and one way or another $____ is what your burden will be in order to get back to even." Numbers like those are out of the scope of understanding for most people. Hell, a billion used to mean something. Nowadays, it's just a drop in the bucket the way Congress spends OUR money. It pisses me off.
Every man, woman and child who is a citizen in this country owes $80,000. I think that should ring some bells for people. :shock:

I think you're right though. I tell people that our gov. spent $24 trillion, and they just look at me with a blank stare. Some shake their heads knowing this would happen eventually.
 
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