2019 Election Talk

nsbudca said:

First off, legalization is a joke a d he fucked it up royally.

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I've said this before, I imagine it was quite a fight to get legalization to happen, and flawed as it is, it's a start... Sure it was badly implemented, but down the road things will relax as people realize the sky isn't falling. As more people realize how superior it is to alcohol, maybe we'll see pot being sold in corner stores too! Anyhow, He promised, he delivered... If he had failed, or not been elected, who knows, perhaps in another 50 years people will be saying it was close to being legalized, sorta like we talk about the LeDain Commision in the early 70's.

I don't know how long it will take to normalize it, perhaps once the US legalizes federally, but as long as we move in the right direction, I'm ok with it... I've been smoking for 45 years, waiting for it to be legal, I'm sure a few more won't hurt.

People who voted for the Liberals are getting what they deserve.

Under the Liberals Canadians are enjoying the new freedom of legally using cannabis, lowest unemployment numbers ever, the most increase in pay year to year ever.

And the end of religious nuts "conversion therapy" who want to force sexuality on children rather then letting them choose when they want and what they want.

Enjoying life while the Conservatives cower. Instant karma.

I'm rooting for the cons to take power. I work in the oilfield and since the liberals took power we have been almost dead slow. My way of life will benefit if the oil companies get rich off our oil. Sorry guys, I have nothing against you guys for the reasons that you have but my life and the people I know would be better off without liberals or npd in power.

Farmer.J said:

I'm rooting for the cons to take power. I work in the oilfield and since the liberals took power we have been almost dead slow. My way of life will benefit if the oil companies get rich off our oil. Sorry guys, I have nothing against you guys for the reasons that you have but my life and the people I know would be better off without liberals or npd in power.

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FYI oil is a commodity the reason the oil sands are slow is the price of oil went from $160 a barrel to $50 a barrel and will remain slow regardless of who is in power. The only thing that will get the oil sands going again is if the price of oil goes way up.

You could work in any other field because of the fact that Canada has the lowest unemployment numbers thanks to the Liberals.

The only people benefiting from oil are those who make money from it. Its literally killing people with its fumes, don't believe me sit in your garage for thirty minutes with your gas car running. Its threatening ever ones future due to global warming but you only care about the money eh Farmer. Good luck selling your POV to those who are suffering with climate change be it flooding or record heat.

Farmer.J said:

I'm rooting for the cons to take power. I work in the oilfield and since the liberals took power we have been almost dead slow. My way of life will benefit if the oil companies get rich off our oil. Sorry guys, I have nothing against you guys for the reasons that you have but my life and the people I know would be better off without liberals or npd in power.

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Nothing against you or your job (my son was laid off from the oil patch), but I'm voting to keep Alberta from risking MY job. I am a Liberal, but I'm voting Green to protest the proposed 8-fold increase of oil tankers sailing past my house. The current government bought the pipeline, approved the expansion, twice, and have given subsidies and tax breaks to Alberta oil that no other industry receives. You still have all the pipelines and infrastructure that existed before the Liberals, you are extracting more oil, the oil companies are posting massive profits for shareholders....what exactly are you blaming the Liberals for, and how is Scheer going to make things better?
My kid is 26 and he understands those boom days are never coming back to the patch, so he's moved on. If only the Alberta government could figure it out......

VIANARCHRIS said:

....what exactly are you blaming the Liberals for, and how is Scheer going to make things better?

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Since the liberals took over a lot of investors lost interest in oil extraction in Alberta. Cenovus walked away, Devon is selling out major fields. Rates have been cut low. Just having conservative running things will boost confidence in Canadian investment, not just the oilfield but the whole market. Faggot Trudeau blew more money on foreign investment than was lost in the last 4 years. Thank God I have the skills to grow my own weed because with that stupid fuck running out country into the ground I sure as hell can't afford to buy it from his weedsel friends.

Rider101 said:

FYI oil is a commodity the reason the oil sands are slow is the price of oil went from $160 a barrel to $50 a barrel and will remain slow regardless of who is in power. The only thing that will get the oil sands going again is if the price of oil goes way up.

You could work in any other field because of the fact that Canada has the lowest unemployment numbers thanks to the Liberals.

The only people benefiting from oil are those who make money from it. Its literally killing people with its fumes, don't believe me sit in your garage for thirty minutes with your gas car running. Its threatening ever ones future due to global warming but you only care about the money eh Farmer. Good luck selling your POV to those who are suffering with climate change be it flooding or record heat.

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I shouldn't even dignify that with a response, all I can say is if you aren't heating your house with wood this winter, stfu.

Rider101 said:

FYI oil is a commodity the reason the oil sands are slow is the price of oil went from $160 a barrel to $50 a barrel and will remain slow regardless of who is in power. The only thing that will get the oil sands going again is if the price of oil goes way up.

You could work in any other field because of the fact that Canada has the lowest unemployment numbers thanks to the Liberals.

The only people benefiting from oil are those who make money from it. Its literally killing people with its fumes, don't believe me sit in your garage for thirty minutes with your gas car running. Its threatening ever ones future due to global warming but you only care about the money eh Farmer. Good luck selling your POV to those who are suffering with climate change be it flooding or record heat.

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Yes..breathing pure toxic emissions is bad for you...lol. also has a lot to do with lack of oxygen.
Our trees clean more air then the oilfield damages. There are actual # And statistics to back that statement up.

As i said, Alberta has the cleanest oil sands on earth. Our prime minister that preaches clean air uses more carbon in one trip to Florida than the average Canadian family produces in a year. It's faux science. Wake up.

And ill tell ya, I dont think taking tens of thousands of people out of work because he opposes a pipeline is very good for the economy.

On top of that, Trudeau has turned a lot of liberal's into conservatives with his SJW b.s.

Rider101 said:

People who voted for the Liberals are getting what they deserve.

Under the Liberals Canadians are enjoying the new freedom of legally using cannabis, lowest unemployment numbers ever, the most increase in pay year to year ever.

And the end of religious nuts "conversion therapy" who want to force sexuality on children rather then letting them choose when they want and what they want.

Enjoying life while the Conservatives cower. Instant karma.

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Who is forcing sexuality onto a child more than a parent who is willing to hormonally intervene in their child's natural development...?

No conservatives are cowering probably the loudest they've ever been.

Farmer.J said:

Just having conservative running things will boost confidence in Canadian investment, not just the oilfield but the whole market

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That is a conservative myth. BC signed a $40 billion LNG plant investment - the largest foreign investment in our history - during the Liberals term, so the facts speak otherwise. BC is booming...if you have a skill, you have a job here. The oil patch was built by Canadians whose jobs had disappeared and had to move to pay the bills. Might be time for Alberta workers to do the same.
The problem is the price of Alberta bitumen on a glutted world market. If the price of a barrel of oil went up to $200 tomorrow, Alberta would boom again and you would forget all about blaming the Liberals. You certainly wouldn't give them credit for the rebound though, because it is not in their control - not sure why Alberta thinks Ottawa controls the price of commodities?

Farmer.J said:

Since the liberals took over a lot of investors lost interest in oil extraction in Alberta.

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The oil companies are posting near record profits so someone is still interested in extracting Alberta oil. Can you point to a Liberal policy that you think attributed to the perceived loss of interest? One minute Alberta blames Ottawa and the next it's all BC's fault, when in reality the problems are self-induced.

The topic of oil and gas is one of the many reasons I hate ALL politicians. It does not matter the color they wave or the promises they make. Those slimy fucks in suits do not give a fuck about any of us.
I worked for 7 years on a drilling rig. In fact it was that job that had me fighting for my life at the age of 32 thanks to severe poisoning from longterm over exposure to such lovely things as Mercury, benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene and xylene along with a few others.
I am also from Nova Scotia where the better part of two generations have had to leave home because they wanted to get ahead in life instead of just get by.
The political party in power does not matter. The glory days of that industry are long gone and are never coming back. If you wanna be mad , be mad at Klein and his BS for all the years the royalties were so low while things were booming. We practically gave it all away to foreign corporations for decades.
Not a single one of the slimy fucks in suits give a shit about anyone feeding their families or making a living. That is why not a single party is even trying to come up with an actual alternative.Instead they have the common folk fighting among themselves, while they continue to be fed by the silver spoon they always have.
Not a single fella I ever worked with in the patch was there because they wanted to be. They were there because it was their best option. In many cases their only option.
Fuck Politicians until I see one that has ever actually worked a day in their life.

Cheers

I'm a gonna bone his wife though. Me and the goat. Tag Team style.

VIANARCHRIS said:

That is a conservative myth. BC signed a $40 billion LNG plant investment - the largest foreign investment in our history - during the Liberals term, so the facts speak otherwise. BC is booming...if you have a skill, you have a job here. The oil patch was built by Canadians whose jobs had disappeared and had to move to pay the bills. Might be time for Alberta workers to do the same.
The problem is the price of Alberta bitumen on a glutted world market. If the price of a barrel of oil went up to $200 tomorrow, Alberta would boom again and you would forget all about blaming the Liberals. You certainly wouldn't give them credit for the rebound though, because it is not in their control - not sure why Alberta thinks Ottawa controls the price of commodities?


The oil companies are posting near record profits so someone is still interested in extracting Alberta oil. Can you point to a Liberal policy that you think attributed to the perceived loss of interest? One minute Alberta blames Ottawa and the next it's all BC's fault, when in reality the problems are self-induced.

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They're both against pipelines. And thats what Alberta wants. That's where the problem lies.

nsbudca said:

They're both against pipelines. And thats what Alberta wants. That's where the problem lies.

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I'm not sure where you get the idea the feds are against pipelines - they bought the existing one and approved the expansion. BC is against the pipeline expansion, but other than a single, unsuccessful court challenge, we have done nothing to stop it. It's been FN's and the courts who have delayed construction. Alberta's anger is misplaced.
From a Gulf Islander perspective, I'm not against the pipeline and I'm all for keeping Albertan's working, I'm just against 400 extra oil tankers per year posing a risk of destroying my job and my way of life. We aren't protesting in order to hurt Alberta, we're doing it to protect ourselves. This isn't about "what Alberta wants", it's not their coast. There is a whole fringe network of people in BC who would love to shut the oil patch down permanently, but they didn't get an invite to Jason's war room, why should Alberta have any say about the coast? It's about respecting each other, not threatening and bullying.
This has been a family argument for years, lol My son worked in the patch and all of my in-laws live in Alberta - I even own property there, so it's not personal, but this "dewy-eyed unicorn Jockey from the islands" has a duty to save what we have for my grandchildren.
Build the pipelines, but build refineries along the way so Canadians benefit from Canadian resources and the jobs they create.. Export only benefits the oil execs and shareholders while hard working British Columbian's take all the risk.
I'm voting Green but only because there is no BC Separatist Party - yet.

Farmer.J said:

I'm rooting for the cons to take power. I work in the oilfield and since the liberals took power we have been almost dead slow. My way of life will benefit if the oil companies get rich off our oil. Sorry guys, I have nothing against you guys for the reasons that you have but my life and the people I know would be better off without liberals or npd in power.

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This possibly had nothing to do with the Liberals at all. My buddy in the states had to switch his profession because of massive layoffs at offshore rigs and oil patches all over the states as well, he had to take a massive pay cut and drive heavy machinery for Halliburton instead of making 6 figures on the rigs. He said that they were blaming OPEC and more specifically the Saudis for the issues.

dienowk said:

This possibly had nothing to do with the Liberals at all. My buddy in the states had to switch his profession because of massive layoffs at offshore rigs and oil patches all over the states as well, he had to take a massive pay cut and drive heavy machinery for Halliburton instead of making 6 figures on the rigs. He said that they were blaming OPEC and more specifically the Saudis for the issues.

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Ya fuck that stinkin country right back to hell as far as I' concerned. The "rulers" (disgusting name in itself ) need to be jailed or shot or both....any order will do. What's wrong with the place.....EVERYTHING.

The Hippy said:

Ya fuck that stinkin country right back to hell as far as I' concerned. The "rulers" (disgusting name in itself ) need to be jailed or shot or both....any order will do. What's wrong with the place.....EVERYTHING.

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It disgusts me how protected they are, they can kidnap and assassinate people with no recourse, instead countries make excuses for them or simply say the intel from literally every intel agency on the planet is wrong. I have nothing against the people there but fuck their ruling class.

dienowk said:

It disgusts me how protected they are, they can kidnap and assassinate people with no recourse, instead countries make excuses for them or simply say the intel from literally every intel agency on the planet is wrong. I have nothing against the people there but fuck their ruling class.

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People will sell other people's lives to ensure a good and steady supply of oil. It's a dirty business worse than the oil itself.
Look the other way or lose our oil supply....everyone answers back:............ ok........not looking. Oil me.

All of the 911 hijackers came from there...and the Americans went to war with Iraq???
It goes with my other argument though, build pipelines and refineries and stop importing Saudi oil. It'll create thousands of well paying jobs for Canadians instead of the Saudis and Chinese. Instead the oil companies are trying to convince us that shipping Alberta oil to China will fix all of Canada's problems. It will only help the execs and shareholders. imo

VIANARCHRIS said:

All of the 911 hijackers came from there...and the Americans went to war with Iraq???
It goes with my other argument though, build pipelines and refineries and stop importing Saudi oil. It'll create thousands of well paying jobs for Canadians instead of the Saudis and Chinese. Instead the oil companies are trying to convince us that shipping Alberta oil to China will fix all of Canada's problems. It will only help the execs and shareholders. imo

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One of the main problems with this is that our bitumen is sulphur rich, it cost too much to remove it to levels low enough where it meets the standards for a lot of uses iirc. I have not done extensive studying on the oil industry though so my info may be severely out of date.

dienowk said:

One of the main problems with this is that our bitumen is sulphur rich, it cost too much to remove it to levels low enough where it meets the standards for a lot of uses iirc. I have not done extensive studying on the oil industry though so my info may be severely out of date.

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Canadian refineries are doing it now as is the one in Washington State and the oil producers are profitable. Who ever buys the oil being exported is going to refine it - we can do it too. The initial cost and timeline of getting refineries built isn't attractive to producers or shareholders though.....I don't think we should be in such a hurry to give away our resources.