2014 Outdoor Guerilla Prep, constructive criticism please

Hi all, I'm going to be starting my first outdoor guerilla grow (second grow overall, my first didnt go so well...) this year. I'm thinking that I'm going to have about 6 plants in all. I took advantage of the attitude Xmas promotion and I'm going to be germinating 1 of each: DinaChem, Sage n Sour, Sharksbreath, Freedom Haze, Kosher Tangie, and Nebula.

I'll begin vegging them around April/may under a 135w led, as the last frost is usually in June.

The soil is pretty good where I plan on growing. Probably slightly acidic, as there are pine trees here.

Here's what I mainly want feedback on, my shopping list. I'm pretty limited on budget and whatnot, so this is all stuff I've found from the local hardware store. In total, this will cost me around $90.

Espoma plant tone, bio tone starter plus, and bulb tone - the nutes I plan on running. Bio tone starter plus/plant tone mixed in with soil, top feed plant tone through veg, and bulb tone through flower.

Sun gro black gold soil conditioner x3 (2.2 cf, 1/2 bag per hole.) from the website: "This organically enriched blend of bark, compost, Canadian sphagnum peat moss, compost and forest humus contains bat guano, bone meal, earthworm castings, and mycorhizzae"

Epsoma garden lime

12 oz water crystals MG

8 qt mg perlite

4 lb swan Epsom salts

So basically I plan on digging 6 holes, mixing in 1/2 bag black gold, water crystals, perlite, plant tone, bio starter plus, and lime. Continue feeding with plant tone through veg, bulb tone through flower, and Epsom salts with waterings throughout.

I'll be using chicken wire until they are big enough to go without. Copper scrub pads around the base of the plant to ward off slugs, bar soap to keep the deer out, and a home made brew of cayenne peppers/garlic/soap if i ever get any bug problems.

I've been doing a lot of research and this is what I've come up with. Please give any feedback/criticisms! Thanks!

Sounds good. Do more if possible. Take cuts and such.

Theres steps to creating good bud, and steps that can...and can't be skipped.

ive found that the more love you throw at your plants the better they will do.

go to a hydro store and get real soil. They are 10$ for a big ass bag. 3 bags should be good for you.

as far as yer nutes...get some general purpose 21-0-0 and 16-16-16 if your son a budget. I've had great success with outdoor guerrilla and the general purpose.

Yeah, definitely. I plan on taking cuttings and making bonsai mother plants. Breeding is a hobby I would love to get into, and since I only have one seed for most of these strains I'm definitely going to try and keep the mothers around in case I get something killer.

Unfortunately, I live in the middle of no where and there aren't any hydro shops around, just the local builders supply. They don't have many good fertilizers, mostly Scott's brand and MG. I've read good things about the Espoma brand though, here's what the website says about them.


Plant-tone

An all natural, all-purpose blend of natural ingredients. Excellent for preparing soil beds and an ideal starter plant food. Approved for organic gardening. Formulation: 5-3-3. 4 lb. bag. $8
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Bulb-tone

Rich in bone meal and other natural organics to provide a complete, balanced feed for all bulbs. Formulation: 3-5-3. 4 lb. bag. $8

They also don't have soil in the 'big ass bag' size, no promix/sunshine mix/FFOF... No nothin. I think the best I'm going to get is using the soil conditioner mixed in with the existing soil.

Jsn0x,

I'm new to growing MJ, but I'm not new to growing. I have done lots of growing over the years both inside and outside. If you are on a tight budget then focus on the basics of gardening. Do some reading about basic soil development and amendment. Learn what soil is and what needs to go in it. The cheapest way to grow is in soil that is amended with natural stuff laying around your yard and the surrounding areas. You do not need to buy fertilizer when you already have the right stuff to make your own.

- leaves
- grass clippings
- wood chips
- weeds

Take a bunch of organic material and mix it together. That is the foundation. Add basic soil to that and let it sit. You can get really complicated from there but basic vegetable and flower garden preparation is a good place to start. Chemical nutes can be risky if you have no experience growing anything. If you want to be pouring stuff on your plants then make some basic tea to add to your watering. Quick and easy. Grass clippings, banana peel, and seaweed (sushi wrapper) will give you a basic tea in just a couple of days. Quick and easy. Mixed in a blender to speed things up.

The ideal would be to dig and prep your holes now and let them age for a while before using them.

Be careful about getting caught up in some of the growing techniques in the forums. They aren't hard but they do require some basic knowledge and experience.

I hope something here might help you. I have spent a lot of time living in places where you need to create most things because you can't buy them. Use your imagination and ask lots of questions. You'll figure it all out.

Black Gold is good quality. I wouldn't waste money on some magic bag of dirt from the hydro store.

spandy said:

Black Gold is good quality. I wouldn't waste money on some magic bag of dirt from the hydro store.

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Thanks, good to hear. Packing in those big ass bags would be really hard for my spots anyway, it's very steep. This way, I should be able to pack everything in on one backpack load.

Animals like to dig up and smell the blood meal and bone meal. Prepping holes in advance and planting after a bit may save you some very annoying dig ups. Good luck and be safe.

Rob Roy said:

Animals like to dig up and smell the blood meal and bone meal. Prepping holes in advance and planting after a bit may save you some very annoying dig ups. Good luck and be safe.

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Same thing can happen with compost made with kitchen scraps that aren't completely finished composting. Unless you do deep holes and have it on the bottom. But that takes a couple feet of depth. Not everyone wants to go that deep.

I'll never use/amend native soil again...ever. And I live in the cornbelt so we have some of the best molisol on the planet...worms everywhere. There are too many native plants competing for nutes, and I used a shit ton of Epsoma plant-tone...soil conditioner etc.

I grew the exact same clones indoors, and the smoke is easily 50% more potent than the pic below. IMHO, the only means to get top notch herb from native ground is by doing a complete soil replacement...dig huge holes, line with landscaping plastic etc.

Good luck!

if you can take a pic of the soil it would help... if pine trees there your going to need alot of lime.. go do the spots now and then again in the spring.. i would dig large holes and place a gargabe bag in the hole and make a ew holes in the bottom... or build up the sides if you cant dig with logs or rocks to hole up and shade the bags... and ill with potting soil.. even i you cant aford to do this do at least one plant.. youll see a big diferce.. your going to need a t least ten galolns of soil in the bag..

Sunbiz1 said:

I'll never use/amend native soil again...ever. And I live in the cornbelt so we have some of the best molisol on the planet...worms everywhere. There are too many native plants competing for nutes, and I used a shit ton of Epsoma plant-tone...soil conditioner etc.

I grew the exact same clones indoors, and the smoke is easily 50% more potent than the pic below. IMHO, the only means to get top notch herb from native ground is by doing a complete soil replacement...dig huge holes, line with landscaping plastic etc.

Good luck!

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man u crazyyyyy............ our soil is off the chain..... ur gonna have to weed out other plants no matter what.. even in pots and buckets rival plants seeds will germinate and grow.... its good has is if no clay.. but its better if u dig a big whole and use some native soil {which is hella dense} with looser shit like compost and perlire lots of perlite.. if ur scared bout perlit being seen lay a lil layer of the native soil on top of it all... the problem is not our soil.... its the short grow season and constent humidity I hate..

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raspberry, balckberry bushes are your friend, they grow in 6.5 soil and the roots airate the soil naturally. Worms love loose dirt. hard wood soil is also very good, there is a natural layer of compost on the ground. Dig deep to loosen clay and gravel. Do not plant around pines. The best advice I could give you is the spot is everything!! pine...pick a different spot with the above busshes and trees. Use a good amount of promix, a time release fert, chicken shit grew all my plants last yr. compost is really good in one clump under the plant. Dont forget the wood ash!! its very good for new holes!! Depending where u live use a good fence and stake it well. And last bust most important, camo you bare soil, fence. I collect bags of leaves and thro them all around the plants, on the fence and anywhere it looks like humans have been walking, hide your plants good luck!!

I must agree with the blackberry vines. Find a spot with the biggest, nicest blackberry vines and the soil will be nearly perfect. I liked to tunnel my way into the middle of the biggest (we call them briar bushes instead of blackberry bushes) briar thicket I can find (they get massive around here). I would clear out a spot and dig a 10 gallon hole, crumbling up and adding loosening amendments to the native soil. Watch out after that, cause they can get BIG.

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man u crazyyyyy............ our soil is off the chain..... ur gonna have to weed out other plants no matter what.. even in pots and buckets rival plants seeds will germinate and grow.... its good has is if no clay.. but its better if u dig a big whole and use some native soil {which is hella dense} with looser shit like compost and perlire lots of perlite.. if ur scared bout perlit being seen lay a lil layer of the native soil on top of it all... the problem is not our soil.... its the short grow season and constent humidity I hate..

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My patients all prefer the same cut run indoors as opposed to in-ground...it isn't even close.

Contained plants can be pushed, I never ever have a single yellowing leaf on an indoor...barring one C99 pheno prone to it. Do you see those yellowing leaves on the outdoor cut?, drove me nuts all summer. I fed the shit out of those with plant-tone...that's 5-3-3 blend.

Like I said, I won't do it again w/o a full soil replacement...fuck amending.

jsn0x said:

Yeah, definitely. I plan on taking cuttings and making bonsai mother plants. Breeding is a hobby I would love to get into, and since I only have one seed for most of these strains I'm definitely going to try and keep the mothers around in case I get something killer.

Unfortunately, I live in the middle of no where and there aren't any hydro shops around, just the local builders supply. They don't have many good fertilizers, mostly Scott's brand and MG. I've read good things about the Espoma brand though, here's what the website says about them.


Plant-tone

An all natural, all-purpose blend of natural ingredients. Excellent for preparing soil beds and an ideal starter plant food. Approved for organic gardening. Formulation: 5-3-3. 4 lb. bag. $8
----
Bulb-tone

Rich in bone meal and other natural organics to provide a complete, balanced feed for all bulbs. Formulation: 3-5-3. 4 lb. bag. $8

They also don't have soil in the 'big ass bag' size, no promix/sunshine mix/FFOF... No nothin. I think the best I'm going to get is using the soil conditioner mixed in with the existing soil.

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I used espoma brand tomato tone outdoors with great results last year!

Sunbiz1 said:

My patients all prefer the same cut run indoors as opposed to in-ground...it isn't even close.

Contained plants can be pushed, I never ever have a single yellowing leaf on an indoor...barring one C99 pheno prone to it. Do you see those yellowing leaves on the outdoor cut?, drove me nuts all summer. I fed the shit out of those with plant-tone...that's 5-3-3 blend.

Like I said, I won't do it again w/o a full soil replacement...fuck amending.

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you just gotta try my outdoor.... I get similer potency from my outdoor to my indoor.. my outdoor is a lil darker then indoor.. more sappy then kiefey.... and a lil bit thicker smoke on the lungs....