20 plants dieing leaves curling down HELP ASAP

take ur pissing match somewhere else people I could care less what u guys think on anything. stick to the topic or make a thread for whatever ur fighting over K thanks

"Another fallacy mentioned in your link, that HPS can induce stretching and you should use MH veg. Baloney. It's obvious someone has never experimented with this stuff, I have. I have used HPS exclusively from start to finish and my plants were very well behaved with no un-natural stretch. I have photos if folks wish to see them. Just haven't figured out how to fetch them from my gallery."

Dude calm down Bill Nye. This is not what I was saying. I said if your plant is stretching...it WILL stretch MORE under a red light spectrum, then under a blue light spectrum....and this is true, because red light institutes more growth. I didn't say ifyou use HPS during veg your shit will stretch.

Not to mention, yes a temperature fluctuation is good BUT to an extent. ONLY if your max temperature and your min temperature average out to be around 75 degrees. Lets say that your grow room is 82 with lights on and 68 with lights off...well this is ok because the average is still around 75.

Don't sit here and try and tell everyone that a 25 degree difference is ok, because that is wrong. Maybe some plants, but not marijuana.

"Check out phototropism, same thing (a plant response I explained and one that snoofer parroted from me years ago in your link). The shady side of a branch receives a hormone increase which elongates plant tissue. Plant cells on the shady side of the stem or petiole elongate therefore tipping the leaves toward the light source. Ever watch a sunflower turn its head 180* as it follows the sun's track across the sky? Fun stuff."

Yes I know of phototropism. The reason the shady side of the branch recieves this hormone is so that it can tilt the branch that is not recieving light towards the light. It doesn't do it for no reason and doesn't have to do with stress, it is actually a good thing, but what the heck are we talking about here? are you just trying to bring up some shit that sounds smart and yet has nothing to do with what we are talking about, which is that stress causes stretching. I'm confused what we are even talking about at this point....lol

akinaspeedstars1 said:

take ur pissing match somewhere else people I could care less what u guys think on anything. stick to the topic or make a thread for whatever ur fighting over K thanks

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LOL sorry didn't mean to waist thread space...totally forgot this was your thread.

its all good lets just stick to my girls
who btw are looking better by the day

akinaspeedstars1 said:

its all good lets just stick to my girls
who btw are looking better by the day

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I agree. Not to say who is right or wrong. But anyway, Got any new pics?? I'd like to see their progress.

on a little diffrent topic i have a budding female some 65 70 days in shes got a little bud on the bottom that has finshed somehow ahead of everyone else. should i clip it and dry it/ smoke it or wait till everything is done.

bud in question

akinaspeedstars1 said:

on a little diffrent topic i have a budding female some 65 70 days in shes got a little bud on the bottom that has finshed somehow ahead of everyone else. should i clip it and dry it/ smoke it or wait till everything is done.

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Pick it and have yourself an early sample. Sure can't hurt. In fact I like doing that just for fun.

That first pic is pretty dark. If you want good photo's you need more light. Do you have a flash or is that a phone? If you can, and have some daylight cfl's they work nice for pics. It shows the real colors well IMO. That looks like a nice big bud though. Nice job.

Hash Lover said:

That first pic is pretty dark. If you want good photo's you need more light. Do you have a flash or is that a phone? If you can, and have some daylight cfl's they work nice for pics. It shows the real colors well IMO. That looks like a nice big bud though. Nice job.

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that was on my blackberry ill get some better shots of her in a couple days, shes got a nice tight cola that smells skunky as hell

It's nice to have a decent camera so you can get good pics. I like to put the best ones up for my desktop.

how long will that little bud take to hang dry ? like a day im thinking then the jar for a week

akinaspeedstars1 said:

that was on my blackberry ill get some better shots of her in a couple days, shes got a nice tight cola that smells skunky as hell

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Good looking plant - you've retained some nice leaves which is key to production. Leaf color looks good and she'll bulk up nicely as long as you maintain the leaves in a GREEN healthy condition.

A few comments about your garden - not enough light looking at your first post. If you're gonna use CFL's, then get those lamps close to the plants or they will stretch like a mofo, don't care if the CFL's output is as blue as robin's egg. I have started seedlings with 4' long shop light tubes and maintained the lamp height so that the leaves were either touching the fluor's glass or damn close to it. When the leafset's footprint of my plants grew outside of the reflector's footprint, they went under HPS.

FWIW, the footcandle reading of a 4' fluor is about 1,800 f.c. taken 1" away. Compare that with the f.c. of the sun, high noon, clear summer day - 10,000 f.c. Buy and use a light meter that registers to 10,000 f.c. It'll be the best investment you can make if you intend to continue your hobby. Becoming a master gardener is all about becoming a master tweaker.

The pot for the Blackberry is way oversized for its size. That's OK if you know how to handle your watering drills and the soil is fairly open. Read my sig link regarding overwatering, it will cause leaf curl if you have induced root loss.

Good luck,
UB

akinaspeedstars1 said:

how long will that little bud take to hang dry ? like a day im thinking then the jar for a week

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It really depends on the temp, humidity ect. at least a few days before the jar. The more you break it up the faster it will dry. Make the stem as small as you can for faster drying. I would put it somewhere really warm. I've put some on top of my light to dry faster. Little buds like that I just force them to dry faster. I would not worry about putting it in a jar to cure. Even put it in the oven at like 170 deg. to dry. I know it won't taste as good as a proper dry but it is only a little sample bud. Dry it quick and smoke it. Also a cool way I found is if you have a clothes dryer with the rack for it to lay things on so they don't tumble like they would Is better than the oven IMO. But keep in mind that when the stem breaks instead of bending it's dry.

Uncle Ben said:

Good looking plant - you've retained some nice leaves which is key to production. Leaf color looks good and she'll bulk up nicely as long as you maintain the leaves in a GREEN healthy condition.

A few comments about your garden - not enough light looking at your first post. If you're gonna use CFL's, then get those lamps close to the plants or they will stretch like a mofo, don't care if the CFL's output is as blue as robin's egg. I have started seedlings with 4' long shop light tubes and maintained the lamp height so that the leaves were either touching the fluor's glass or damn close to it. When the leafset's footprint of my plants grew outside of the reflector's footprint, they went under HPS.

FWIW, the footcandle reading of a 4' fluor is about 1,800 f.c. taken 1" away. Compare that with the f.c. of the sun, high noon, clear summer day - 10,000 f.c. Buy and use a light meter that registers to 10,000 f.c. It'll be the best investment you can make if you intend to continue your hobby. Becoming a master gardener is all about becoming a master tweaker.

The pot for the Blackberry is way oversized for its size. That's OK if you know how to handle your watering drills and the soil is fairly open. Read my sig link regarding overwatering, it will cause leaf curl if you have induced root loss.

Good luck,
UB

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u should read the whole thread its only like 3 pages on any other forum. we just have short pages here. I have 2 150 watt HPS on my garden. The big female has its own 15o watt HPS as well. so when shes done the garden will get that as well. so 450 HPS watts on 10 plants is just right.

Hash Lover said:

It really depends on the temp, humidity ect. at least a few days before the jar. The more you break it up the faster it will dry. Make the stem as small as you can for faster drying. I would put it somewhere really warm. I've put some on top of my light to dry faster. Little buds like that I just force them to dry faster. I would not worry about putting it in a jar to cure. Even put it in the oven at like 170 deg. to dry. I know it won't taste as good as a proper dry but it is only a little sample bud. Dry it quick and smoke it. Also a cool way I found is if you have a clothes dryer with the rack for it to lay things on so they don't tumble like they would Is better than the oven IMO. But keep in mind that when the stem breaks instead of bending it's dry.

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thanks im so nervous to even take a little bud off her. ive grown outdoor a few times and never took buds of them early

they either want food or have an incorrect ph level. next watering check runoff ph, most likely you have an acidic medium locking out your nitrogen and magnesium. or it could just be lack of nitrogen at the right ph lvl the plant has no food and feed of fan leaves

akinaspeedstars1 said:

The big female has its own 15o watt HPS as well. so when shes done the garden will get that as well. so 450 HPS watts on 10 plants is just right.

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IF, you actually know what the plant is receiving. Those plants are too leggie with too much leaf drop.

Taking a few buds has no influence on plant health, vigor or production.

1. The only REAL thing that matters in this biz is producing and maintaining the most amount of root mass and foliage that you can, until harvest,

2. Forget about the buds, they'll come in due time if you understand the importance of #1.

UB

Uncle Ben said:

IF, you actually know what the plant is receiving. Those plants are too leggie with too much leaf drop.

Taking a few buds has no influence on plant health, vigor or production.

1. The only REAL thing that matters in this biz is producing and maintaining the most amount of root mass and foliage that you can, until harvest,

2. Forget about the buds, they'll come in due time if you understand the importance of #1.

UB

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Well said UB, When I first started growing indoors my light meter was probably one of my most usefull tools. It really helped to be able to see how much light was where. It showed me that it wasn't always where I thought the best light was. (or should say the strongest). It was just a cheap meter but I could check it against sunlight and then compair to my lights. Just to get some kind of idea or base to start.

My plants looked fantastic threw VEG uncle ben, then I got the HPS and set them too far away and never gave them nutes. I paid the toll for this. I realize u dont want stretched plants and ur fan leaves to go, there the solar panels of the plant Im well aware of how this all works. As for the lighting it was a makeshift setup essentially I willl modify it on friday when i replant and make sure there effeciently being used. And as i said please read the whole thread if ur going to post elaborate answers like u have. You would have known i was running HPS if u would have just read the thread..Dont get me wrong I appreciate the help dood

I plucked one of the nugs on the bottom its drying now. I think it was a little early yet still smells kinda grass clippy still.