20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

sfttailpaul

Active Member
Your temps aren't too bad. I've ran that hot before with great results. It's really strain dependant as far as how the lights off temps will affect buds. A 10 degree differential is actually good. Sealed rooms really need effective AC. The mini split will be the best investment you can have. Everyone I know with mini splits don't even need dehumidifiers. I run my RH in bloom between 40% and 60%. Hit em with some Spectracide if you think PM will be an issue.It will not fuck up the pistils or flavor.

Avid and Floromiteare the best mite sprays out there. Try dipping the smaller plants for total coverage. I cannot believe that Floromite didn't kill the mites. It only kills adults...but it kills for a long time (3 weeks ish). When a plant is properly treated with Floromite the eggs will hatch, the mite will take its first step, and then die like the slimy bastard it is. The only time Floromite will not kill all live adults is when they've become immune to it. This happens from just spraying with Floromite, and not alternating other effective mitacides. Killing mites is a process. If you just spray once or twice, all you'll do is create super mites immune to your sprays. Then those mites will go out and eat other people's grows. I also spray all non plant surfaces with Ortho Home Defense once per month. This stops the movement of the mites. You may also want to remove the most heavily infested leaves. These are typically lower and less efficient leaves. Their loss will not be felt by the plant much. Good luck and do not let up on those fuckers. Give em hell.
Absolutely the truth, thank you.
I also found this neat trick. Get cellulose sponges. Cut like 3/4" wide strips. Wrap around the stem at the base about 1-1/2" above grade. Hold in place with ties. Wet down daily with whatever you are spraying the leaves with. Stops the bastards from migrating. That's how they get from plant to plant. They have to crawl, and this "miticide strip"doughnut keeps them from escaping and climbing on to a new plant. I use a square with a hole from a hole punch in the middle on a new cutting. This way it's already on the plant as she is put into big pot for flowering. ALSO don't let leaflets touch. They can migrate there too!
Best to everyone who has any bugs! We will never win the war, but we can and do, win battles...
 

sfttailpaul

Active Member
Sorry about not being able to quote I'm going to have to work on that hah. I'm on my phone so it's sketchy. CG I sprayed mighty wash when I saw the problem over ten days ago and that shit is a waste of money IMO. 40 bucks a bottle for a ready to use gallon. Then I used the azamax twice, first time I sprayed, they didn't dig it but the pistols were not completely screwed. But after the 2nd time they were lookin pretty boo boo. I waited 3 days and saw some bastard eggs. Sprayed floramite this afternoon during lights off, went in when they came on and they look like as if I didn't spray. I'm going to spray them with that power wash stuff tomorrow when lights go off, hoping that will take some of the nasty shit out of my buds. Shame on me for letting them get that bad :/. I think I'm going to credit card myself a mini split ac this week, hopefully if I can get temps down a little they bugs will leave me alone. I was wondering your opinion on my temps, if I'm at 83-87 lights on and 79-82 with them off are my nugs going to suck? I can't seem to get it cool lights off. I have a wall unit but I don't want to turn it on and mess up my co2. Other then it just not being fun at all to hangout in there, they seem to growing insane. All though I don't have much to compare to since this is my first co2 run. It's snowing now so maybe I'll get a good week and be at 80 lights on lol. 1580 for a 2 ton mini split at home depot, I need a job hah
Using CO2 and providing you get it to a steady 1400PPM +, some strains can take temps of 95 degrees F. Again, strain dependent. I have gotten this temp consistently with CO2 and no problems. Also, when I had bad, bad mites, I flooded the room and kept it there with almost 3000 PPM. Researched this and found this as effective if not better, than a bomb. IDK, I did loose them, but was it the spraying I did (used 4 kinds) or the "organic" pests, or the CO2 or the temps, or the humidity??? Or all the above.
 

Fnominon

Active Member
Hey CG,
I was wondering what your break down plan is in case of a required inspection? I have just been notified by my landlord that they wish to inspect my place for water leaks due to larger than normal water usage. I remember in the past you said you would most likely bring things down in the case of an impending inspection to prevent any unwanted drama. I am 100% with in our state laws, but I have a lease renewal coming up in just over a month and I do not wish to relocate just yet. I am harvesting as much as possible, but I have some very stinky plants that are not close enough to harvest and are about 5 feet tall on average. I am also in an area with high visibility. Any tips and advice would be greatly appreciated, I am very fortunate that the inspection probably wont happen until late next week.
 

Wurd

Member
Hey CG,
I was wondering what your break down plan is in case of a required inspection? I have just been notified by my landlord that they wish to inspect my place for water leaks due to larger than normal water usage. I remember in the past you said you would most likely bring things down in the case of an impending inspection to prevent any unwanted drama. I am 100% with in our state laws, but I have a lease renewal coming up in just over a month and I do not wish to relocate just yet. I am harvesting as much as possible, but I have some very stinky plants that are not close enough to harvest and are about 5 feet tall on average. I am also in an area with high visibility. Any tips and advice would be greatly appreciated, I am very fortunate that the inspection probably wont happen until late next week.
Hey man, I'm no CG but I have the same situation you do. My landlord is probably worse though, he stops by every few months. He thinks it's nice to stop by and say hi which is fine but he's older and I know he's not gonna understand growing in the basement even though I'm well within my limit in WA. Anyway, he always gives me at least 24 hrs notice and I make whatever excuse I need to get him to stop by during the dark period. Before he arrives I rent a uhaul and back it up to our garage so nobody can see whats going in and out. I move all the plants to the uhaul stake and tie however I need to to keep them from getting damaged, then pack the equip. in and drive about 5 blocks away and park it. He arrives, I chat for a while, let him roam around, and when he leaves, I get the uhaul and reverse the process.

The break down and reassembly is be a real pain because of the rush required to get it all done in time but it beats loosing the plants or not getting to renew lease. The timing can be tricky with the lighting but if you cut the lights off 30 mins early on the moving day and let them be exposed to the room light as you're packing them into the truck, you won't confuse them that much. The uhaul is totally dark so they will be fine for the dark period, just be conscious of the temp in the back of the truck. Leave them in the truck until the lit period is set to start again and reverse the process. Ideally they'll just be in the truck for 12 hrs and you'll be able to have everything set back up for them to get back on their regular light cycle. It's definitely a mad dash but I've done it maybe 5 or so times with no real problems. My landlord is actually so bad I use tents now and built custom carts on wheels so I could just roll the whole setups to the back of the van, and w the help of a friend lift the whole thing into the truck.

Works like a charm and I still have my lease. Rents too low to lose it. Hope this helps.

Oh, and if you're worried about residual smell, cook something. I usually do pasta sauce, it makes the whole house smell like tomatoes and garlic.
 

patrickkawi37

Well-Known Member
Your temps aren't too bad. I've ran that hot before with great results. It's really strain dependant as far as how the lights off temps will affect buds. A 10 degree differential is actually good. Sealed rooms really need effective AC. The mini split will be the best investment you can have. Everyone I know with mini splits don't even need dehumidifiers. I run my RH in bloom between 40% and 60%. Hit em with some Spectracide if you think PM will be an issue.It will not fuck up the pistils or flavor.

Avid and Floromiteare the best mite sprays out there. Try dipping the smaller plants for total coverage. I cannot believe that Floromite didn't kill the mites. It only kills adults...but it kills for a long time (3 weeks ish). When a plant is properly treated with Floromite the eggs will hatch, the mite will take its first step, and then die like the slimy bastard it is. The only time Floromite will not kill all live adults is when they've become immune to it. This happens from just spraying with Floromite, and not alternating other effective mitacides. Killing mites is a process. If you just spray once or twice, all you'll do is create super mites immune to your sprays. Then those mites will go out and eat other people's grows. I also spray all non plant surfaces with Ortho Home Defense once per month. This stops the movement of the mites. You may also want to remove the most heavily infested leaves. These are typically lower and less efficient leaves. Their loss will not be felt by the plant much. Good luck and do not let up on those fuckers. Give em hell.
Sprayed 10 drops per liter of floramite and those bastards are back. I'm 2 hours away trimming and my buddy calls and tells me he's finding them and eggs. I read above about removing the fan leaves that we're previously raped so I told him to do that and to spray that bullshit mighty wash one more time. I think it might be thripes, the little bastards are so small i can't ever tell. but no more spraying I'm in for the long haul with those guys now.
Cg I got to see another 20k other than what I've seen on here. It was awesome, I'm definitely setting some goals to try to work towards that myself. I couldn't help notice you guys have similar styles, seems you guys found what's really working well. He does the wings, instead of hoods, and I gota say after seeing them in action I am a fan! I did all the bargaining i could to get strains out of him, He didn't budge. For now :). really see the work it takes to make that size go down, he doesn't even get high at work! Goal is before this years over to starting my own 20k thread and help people like you have. Thank you man
 

Budologist420

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99 plants is the standard allowance for a cultivator in California. I have one license and my wife has one so we can grow 198 plants (mature) under those 2 licenses'. I can transport 8 lbs. and my wife a kool 20 lbs.! I also have another recommendation from my pain control specialist (M.D.) and feel that even with all the "legalities" I still say that one needs to keep it quiet. Just 'cause the Fed's aren't knockin' on my door, some hood rats could easily cause me grave harm...



Over 99 plants under federal law is minimum 4 yrs in prison. End of story
 

dragun

Active Member
i doest matter what you do if they really want to get you.if you are running 99 plants every three months.two and half years latter.over 1000 plants.ten years federal mandatory.and there all ready doing that.
 

PakaloloHui

Active Member
i doest matter what you do if they really want to get you.if you are running 99 plants every three months.two and half years latter.over 1000 plants.ten years federal mandatory.and there all ready doing that.
Yes, That is also a true fact and statement.

I grow 6 at a time, that is my state limit, not trying to buck the system, just taking care of my medical needs not others.

I too would love to grow 99, but not until it is 100% legal by the states and feds. Oh yeah and I would need space for that many plants.
 

Joedank

Well-Known Member
Yeah 99 and shit is fine...
For sum reason outdoors the second I am over 99 I go straight to 1000... Greenhouse SOG style and double potting big containers not filled in;)
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
Yeah 99 and shit is fine...
For sum reason outdoors the second I am over 99 I go straight to 1000... Greenhouse SOG style and double potting big containers not filled in;)
that makes 120% sense. there's no sense in stepping a little bit out of the safe zone. ;)
 

Joedank

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I think I was reading that 199 is the new 99 in the states...
And around July people come by the house daily in cali with 5-50 plants looking sad and forlorn one year I got 200 donations of purple erkle in august!! Almost too late but I squeezed em in an got a few pounds of purple November love;) last one came in the 22nd almost black and frosty just north of Laytonville .
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
I think I was reading that 199 is the new 99 in the states...
And around July people come by the house daily in cali with 5-50 plants looking sad and forlorn one year I got 200 donations of purple erkle in august!! Almost too late but I squeezed em in an got a few pounds of purple November love;) last one came in the 22nd almost black and frosty just north of Laytonville .
damn you cali, my last guerilla i didn't make it back to the site until halloween (<-- NOT planned for btw) and suffered a 50% loss to mold. ;)
 

Joedank

Well-Known Member
Wow you got weed and did not water!! I water 1000 gallon pots every other day cuz it never rains ... Your lucky there was a plant to look at ... Props
The difference in Colorado with rain each afternoon due to mountains means alot less sun and wAter also smaller less fruitful plants in the same or longer span...
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
Wow you got weed and did not water!! I water 1000 gallon pots every other day cuz it never rains ... Your lucky there was a plant to look at ... Props
The difference in Colorado with rain each afternoon due to mountains means alot less sun and wAter also smaller less fruitful plants in the same or longer span...
lol, yes, that IS one of the advantages of the wet coast. damping off, leafspot, stemrot, and that yellow spotty stuff (i forget what it's called) being the flipside.
what is your elevation like in colorado? i heard that high elevations were supposed to be conducive to less yield but more resin?
 

newworldicon

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A couple of videos that may help you with induction lighting choices, I personally had the older 400W unit with little than 1000W success but it seems these newer units are the business...perhaps!! LOL.

[video=youtube;oPeQ2V6cuOA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPeQ2V6cuOA[/video]

Both these channels have plenty videos to pick apart and decide..
 

collective gardener

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HPS light do not grow pretty plants. But, you can't sell pretty. I can grow a plant that looks perfectly healthy till the day we flush. But, it won't yield much. When I grow for weight (always), my plants are pushed so hard they suffer a bit. There are plenty of blemishes. But, the quality and the weight is there. It's the same with lighting. The induction lights may bloom a pretty plant, but pretty does not matter for shit.

This is not to take anything away from induction lighting. Only to say that people should never be interested in what "looks" healthy. They should stick to bud quality and weight.
 
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