20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

collective gardener said:

Yeah, I read Matt's stuff a couple months back. Honestly, it's not for us. The absolute last thing I want to start here is the never ending organic/hydro debate. As I mentioned before, that one has no end. It's a classic example of sometimes the need to agree to disagree.

I grow a few organic pants sometimes for head stash and the couple members who insist on organic. On this op, we're growing 6 organic plants/cycle for my wife's organic edibles collective. Other than that, this is, and will remain, a soiless grow op. If anything, we're leaning the other way, trying a few more plants every couple days in the DWC buckets. Godzilla (the first DWC Bubba) is a fine example of the benefits of hydro. I'll have to post another pick of her tomorrow. It's under 2' tall, yet has a 3/4" stock. The shear density of the veg growth is amazing. Of course, it's not just the DWC. The atmosphere is perfect, and the plant is directly under a 1000 watt Daylight Blue MH. I'm going to veg her to about 2.5' and then throw her into the bloom room. Depending on how it turns out (both quantity ans quality) will determine what percentage of our crop will be DWC.

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If you would just take the time to glance at the nutrient regime they are experimenting with,
I think you would find most if not all nutes used are safe for hydro use.
Heres the list, in case you don't have time to find it yourself:
-BioCanna (vega, flores, bioboost, cannazyme, and rhizotonic)
-Humic acid (liquid form)
-Fulivc acid (huvega, also Magnesium Sulfate)
-Nature's Nectar N (soy)
-Humbolt Nutes 0-10-0 Natural Bloom (soft rock phosphate based)
-Technaflora soluble seaweed 1-1-16 (good micronutes too)
-Wet Betty organic (lol at the label)
-Hygrozyme
-Myco madness, white widow, great white, myan microzyme
-Calcium - liquid
-Epsom salt (for Mg and Sulfur)
-Thrive Alive, green label. 1-1-1

spivak420 said:

If you would just take the time to glance at the nutrient regime they are experimenting with,
I think you would find most if not all nutes used are safe for hydro use.
Heres the list, in case you don't have time to find it yourself:
-BioCanna (vega, flores, bioboost, cannazyme, and rhizotonic)
-Humic acid (liquid form)
-Fulivc acid (huvega, also Magnesium Sulfate)
-Nature's Nectar N (soy)
-Humbolt Nutes 0-10-0 Natural Bloom (soft rock phosphate based)
-Technaflora soluble seaweed 1-1-16 (good micronutes too)
-Wet Betty organic (lol at the label)
-Hygrozyme
-Myco madness, white widow, great white, myan microzyme
-Calcium - liquid
-Epsom salt (for Mg and Sulfur)
-Thrive Alive, green label. 1-1-1

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Sounds like someones gotta vested interest in this stuff. Not saying its not great but I've always heard its super hard to keep hydro organic ph stable, if not impossible. Besides clogging up sprayers and pumps.

Sry gardener I won't say nothin else that could start a debate. Would really like to see some new pics soon! Especially godzilla and the laughganis. Well the bubbas too. Soo everything I guess.

TheLastWood said:

Sounds like someones gotta vested interest in this stuff. Not saying its not great but I've always heard its super hard to keep hydro organic ph stable, if not impossible. Besides clogging up sprayers and pumps.

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According to Kushman this method opens up the ph window from 6.0 - 6.5 to 5.5 - 7.0

Heres a quote from the man himself: "In the absence of mineral salt derived nutrients, pH levels are less likely to fluctuate.
Cannabis cultivation in soil or soilless mediums requires pH levels to be kept between 6.0 and 6.5 for optimal conditions,
although acceptable pH levels range from 5.5 to 7.0.
Veganics turns your acceptable pH range into your optimal pH range, broadening the range by 150%.
It's the bioavailability over the entire acceptable pH range (5.5 to 7.0) that keeps all the nutrients available to plants."

Watch his Intro to Veganics - video on the bottom of the page at this link: http://www.kushmanveganics.com/kush/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=53

and no vested interest, just hungry for information and education that benefits the community as a whole.

TheLastWood said:

Yeah I kno what u mean, my jacks are starting week 7 n I haven't tasted em yet. Still got another 2 or 3 weeks, maybe a little more.

There's been so much controversy lately on the subject gardener but do u do a pre harvest flush? I have but recently read an article on here that seems to disprove it and makes really good points with research backing it.

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can i get a link to that article please lastwood? in my experience if i dont flush before harvest the plants dont smell or taste quite like i like them too but have a hard time sometimes choosing when to start the flush i sometimes like to go as long as 3 weeks flushing my diesel and god's gift plants.

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bw2855 said:

damn thing missed cali and hit japan

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what a fucking dick you are. why do you have to say that shit?

kmog33 said:

can i get a link to that article please lastwood? in my experience if i dont flush before harvest the plants dont smell or taste quite like i like them too but have a hard time sometimes choosing when to start the flush i sometimes like to go as long as 3 weeks flushing my diesel and god's gift plants.

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Yeah man I can't copy urls (on my phone internet) but its in general marijuana forum, written by riddleme just look there or search "the truth about flushing" which is the thread title. Guess its not written by riddleme but he put the info together, I love reading his threads there so informative. After reading it I decided I will taper down (as gardener also stated) and then use clear water for 3 days as to use up available nitrates without causing a deficiency.

Edit: and gardener kinda confirmed that article for me by saying that's how he does it. So I'm gonna start tapering about 2 weeks before harvest and clean wate 3 days then no water for 2

spivak420 said:

If you would just take the time to glance at the nutrient regime they are experimenting with,
I think you would find most if not all nutes used are safe for hydro use.
Heres the list, in case you don't have time to find it yourself:
-BioCanna (vega, flores, bioboost, cannazyme, and rhizotonic)
-Humic acid (liquid form)
-Fulivc acid (huvega, also Magnesium Sulfate)
-Nature's Nectar N (soy)
-Humbolt Nutes 0-10-0 Natural Bloom (soft rock phosphate based)
-Technaflora soluble seaweed 1-1-16 (good micronutes too)
-Wet Betty organic (lol at the label)
-Hygrozyme
-Myco madness, white widow, great white, myan microzyme
-Calcium - liquid
-Epsom salt (for Mg and Sulfur)
-Thrive Alive, green label. 1-1-1

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If you have a minute, grab a pencil and piece of paper and copy down my complete list of everything I use on my plants. Those of you that don't want to be tied up for while going through each item on my complete feeding schedule may want to skip this post. Here we go:

RO Water
Cutting Edge 3 Part
Cutting Edge Mag Amp
PH Up


I just couldn't resist. Reeks of vested interest. If not, I apologize. I know Matt is workinh hard to perfect this style of growing. If this is something that interests you, may I suggest that you start a thread with this as a topic...probably in the "organics" section. I, for one, have WAY too much on my plate with this grow to start experimenting with 20 different products when I get exactly the results I need from a bottle of Micro, Grow, Bloom, and Mag Amp.

I'm glad we didn't get any momentum with the organic/hydro nute debate. We just dodged a bullet earlier with the LED thing. Thanks everyone.

TheLastWood said:

Sounds like someones gotta vested interest in this stuff. Not saying its not great but I've always heard its super hard to keep hydro organic ph stable, if not impossible. Besides clogging up sprayers and pumps.

Sry gardener I won't say nothin else that could start a debate. Would really like to see some new pics soon! Especially godzilla and the laughganis. Well the bubbas too. Soo everything I guess.

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I tried to take a picture of Godzilla today, but as I leaned forward to snap the shot, Godzilla grabbed me by the head and started chocking me. I screamed for my life. Helper D was there in seconds. He punched Godzilla in the lower stock several times, but the plant would not let go. Helper D saw that hand to stock combat was pointless...Godzilla was much too strong. The plant squeezed harder...my neck was going to break any second. In a last ditch effort, Helper D ran into the main warehouse to retrieve our Stihl 36" chainsaw. He came through the door, saw roaring and spewing smoke. Fearing for his life, Godzilla released his grip on my neck. I slumped to the floor, gasping for air. I was safe, but Helper D was not to be stopped. With the saw at full throttle, he swung at Godzilla. With the little strength I had, I screamed NOOOOOOOOOOOO. Helper D halted at the last second, just nicking one of Godzilla's fan leaves. "I need to get a pic for Roll It Up", I gasped. "if you still want to, you can kill him tomorrow" I told a red faced Helper D.

I'll get a pic for you guys tomorrow. Hopefully, I can cool down Helper D and save Godzilla's life.

Here it is KMOG33.......I think everyone should read this.....good info!!!!!!

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/409622-truth-about-flushing-10.html

Yup that's it, thanks I can't copy past urls on my phone but that is some 1337 info.

Lol gardener you can't sneak up on him like that. Don't be too angry, I don't think he's angry, just misunderstood. But if it ever happens again just unplug his air pump n "see how you like it bitch".I can't wait to so picks bro!do you use a carbon filter or ozone? I need to spring for a carbon filter bad bro my whole house is reeking

TheLastWood said:

Yup that's it, thanks I can't copy past urls on my phone but that is some 1337 info.

Lol gardener you can't sneak up on him like that. Don't be too angry, I don't think he's angry, just misunderstood. But if it ever happens again just unplug his air pump n "see how you like it bitch".I can't wait to so picks bro!do you use a carbon filter or ozone? I need to spring for a carbon filter bad bro my whole house is reeking

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We use carbon filtration and LOVE it.



I've used ozone before, but now prefer carbon. Sometimes I use some Ona Gel in the main warehouse, as well. The main odor stop, though, is carbon filtration. Make sure your room is also under some negative pressure. This way, any odor leaks go into the room, not out. I like to use at least 2 filters on 2 exhaust fans, either one of which can handle the whole job. If we
are growing one of those strains that just blows the room out with uncontrollable dank funk, I'll add a third small filter which is exhausted inside the room. I use a 6" fan/filter combo that just recirculates the air in the bloom room through the filter. This just takes the edge off of the room odor before it is exhausted through the main filters to outside. My Bubbas don't need this, but I have a filter on standby for the Lavander crosses. My friend tells me the Lavanders need some extra odor control measures.

If your whole house is reeking, I would put a filter or 2 in your exhaust, and maybe another one in your house somewhere scrubbing the air. The idea, of course, is that no odor leaves the grow, so the house shouldn't need this. But, shit happens.

Hey collective, Dont mean to thread jack but seems you have alot of odor control knowledge haha. Right now I have a fan/filter combo thats just not cutting it, i.e. to small for my area. Would I be better off adding another similar size fan filter combo and adding a Y adapter to where I exhaust or just getting a fan/filter combo that can handle the job by itself? I'm worried about the fans competing somehow ventilation and pressure stuff is not my strongpoint. This is one of those threads I read everytime theres a new post haha. Thanks for sharing

Yea gardener I need a carbon filter bad. That is my choice as well but was wondering about the ozone. Carbon just seems like a better and more natural way tho. And with a carbon filter all the air must go through the carbon, I've never used ozone but it seems like some aor could go by untreated.

Incog ur avy looks like an ex of mine. I think in gonna call her.

ozone stinks. at least if you know what to smell for. (hint hint....)
i am carbon filtration all the way.

if you have 2 different sized mesh containers (like desktop pencil holders, for example, for a *wee* one), you can make your own filter by putting one inside the other and filling the gap between them (not the very middle but the donut shaped space) with activated charcoal. cover the top with a couple of layers of pantyhose, duct tape an adapter opening of some sort to it, and you're ready to hook it up to a small fan.

incognegro999 said:

Hey collective, Dont mean to thread jack but seems you have alot of odor control knowledge haha. Right now I have a fan/filter combo thats just not cutting it, i.e. to small for my area. Would I be better off adding another similar size fan filter combo and adding a Y adapter to where I exhaust or just getting a fan/filter combo that can handle the job by itself? I'm worried about the fans competing somehow ventilation and pressure stuff is not my strongpoint. This is one of those threads I read everytime theres a new post haha. Thanks for sharing

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Can you add another fan/filter combo and another exhaust exit point? That would be my first choice. If not, I would add a larger fan/filter for the exhaust and then use your existing fan/filter combo to just scrub the air inside the room. The air goes through that filter and right back into the room....maybe ducted a few feet away.

TheLastWood said:

Yea gardener I need a carbon filter bad. That is my choice as well but was wondering about the ozone. Carbon just seems like a better and more natural way tho. And with a carbon filter all the air must go through the carbon, I've never used ozone but it seems like some aor could go by untreated.

Incog ur avy looks like an ex of mine. I think in gonna call her.

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I like carbon as my primary odor control. I have, before, installed an ozone gen in the exhaust duct after the carbon filter to catch any remaining odor. But, honestly, if your carbon filter/fan settup is large enough, you shouldn't need anything else. This is one of those cases where bigger is way WAY better. I use 2 - 10x39's, but will add a third shortly.

Hey Gardener, a bit off topic but what is your take on what's going on in SoCal with all these large grow ops being shut down? Too large and greed?

MoJobud said:

Hey Gardener, a bit off topic but what is your take on what's going on in SoCal with all these large grow ops being shut down? Too large and greed?

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I'm not sure what ops you're talking about. It seems there's a new story often. I can give you a list of what our attorney said will get an otherwisw legal med collective busted:

Guns
Other drugs
Sale to minors
Lots of cash
Lots of bud
Lack of documentation
Illegal sales
Organized crime connections
Profit

Let's face it, 500 plants, 30 lbs of buds, and $50,000 cash is going to get you busted for sure.

6 Plants, 6oz of buds, and $1.96 in cash will not get you busted for sure.

3 People growing 18 plants, 1 lb of buds, and $294.97 in cash, with a legal collective formed between the three people will almost for sure not get anyone busted, and definately would not get a conviction.

What about 8 people? 15? Could 15 folks get together and grow 90 plants?

I don't claim to know what the threshold is. I know that we are 100% legal according to california law. Some law enforcement just want the op shut down. They take the gear and threaten to file charges if you try to get it back.

I know that if you advertise, are vocal about the movement, and push their face in it, you're playing with fire.

My point is, where is the threshold.

I hate cops. PPL SHOULD NOT EVER BE AFRAID OF THERE GOVT! They should remember who is working for who.