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If one does a side by side with plants that are allowed to dry out in between waterings and plants that are kept moist, I bet the plants with the moist medium will exhibit MOAR vigor. Depriving plants of water and salts is not good.

I think you misunderstand.

I am talking specifically about the early stages, from seedling to veg. IF you keep your soil moist, the roots do not grow as much because the water is ALWAYS right there. This slows growth, it does not accelerate it.

When you allow your soil to actually become dry, the roots will go "Where the hell did my water go?! I must go find some!", and they will. Minimal watering during seedling stage encourage root growth, which obviously allows the plant to suck up water even better.

I've already done what you've suggested. I've let seedlings be constantly moist, and I've let them dry out. When I let them dry out, my plants are easily DOUBLE the size of the seedlings that were constantly watered.

NOTE, I am talking about the SEEDLING to VEG stage, NOT the entire grow.

Wrong. By letting the soil dry out it creates pockets in the medium and channels that have difficulty up taking water next time the medium is drenched.

Guess that's why my plants doubled in size in 7 days right?

You're welcomed to your own opinion, but I'll let my pics do the talking.

It's how I've been taught. It's in every book I've ever read. Almost every soil grower I know uses minimal amounts of water during early stages of plant life as it stimulates root production. Once roots are well established and you begin your first nutrient feed, then you water normally.

superbak3d said:

Guess that's why my plants doubled in size in 7 days right?

You're welcomed to your own opinion, but I'll let my pics do the talking.

It's how I've been taught. It's in every book I've ever read. Almost every soil grower I know uses minimal amounts of water during early stages of plant life as it stimulates root production. Once roots are well established and you begin your first nutrient feed, then you water normally.

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Agreed. During seedling to veg I watered mine every five days and they turned out great. you have to give the soil a chance to dry out a bit. That doesn't mean completely dry out but you definitely don't want the soil "Soaked" the entire time.

Got a update.
I know now why my plants weren't doing good and its because of the soil I was using. This last plant almost died and I had to do a lot to bring it back to life.
Soil didn't have any nutes so I went and bought ocean forest.
Had to completely remove the oil soil from the roots and transplant the baby into new ocean forest soil.
It's finally doing better.
Have pics of the progress

The last two pics seem like decently healthy plants. If I understand correctly, the pics are of the same plant moving forward in time? If so things are looking on the up.

Flavor Horse said:

The last two pics seem like decently healthy plants. If I understand correctly, the pics are of the same plant moving forward in time? If so things are looking on the up.

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Yes it's the same plant, moving up in her life lol
I can't believe I ruined so many seeds because of the soil I was using.

Does it look like its stretching? And should I go ahead and top?

She looks like she is doing fine. From the angle of the photo, its hard to tell whether or not there is stretching. I wouldnt worry about it too much.
Topping is really up to you and how you intend on letting the plant grow it. If I were to top her, I might wait for one more set of leafs to develop, others might disagree at tell you to top now or not top at all. Now considering it, topping is stressful for the plant and based of what its been through, I would wait. Good luck either way.

Flavor Horse said:

She looks like she is doing fine. From the angle of the photo, its hard to tell whether or not there is stretching. I wouldnt worry about it too much.
Topping is really up to you and how you intend on letting the plant grow it. If I were to top her, I might wait for one more set of leafs to develop, others might disagree at tell you to top now or not top at all. Now considering it, topping is stressful for the plant and based of what its been through, I would wait. Good luck either way.

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I'll wait another week or so

dipm0de said:

I'll wait another week or so

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Looks like it may be nute burned. A lot of people say ocean forest is hot, they don't need much food in early growth stages.

DesertGrow89 said:

Looks like it may be nute burned. A lot of people say ocean forest is hot, they don't need much food in early growth stages.

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I don't know if its nute burned. I doubt it

I don't either.. Why do you doubt it? What other variables besides your substrate could have cause it?

Because the problem was there way before I even gave them nutes, the plants actually needed nutes. Check the pics

I topped the plant today and I also replaced the soil on the older seedling that was dieing on me and its coming back finally. My old soil was just straight shit. Got before and after pics of the small seedling.

seedlings do not need ferts. you cooked the roots and now you are waiting for the fine hair roots to grow again. ive been here plenty of times.....

fresh repot into just promix or sunshine mix and nice clean spring or distilled water ph at 6.2 for a month will bounce them out of it.

Transplanted in a 4 gallon pot today and gave it half strength nutes.

It's been a week since last update.
I have been giving the big plant full nutes with 6.5ph using tap water.
Smaller ones are getting very light strength nutes.
Temps are between 64-67 and humidity is around 35-45%

Another update after a week.
The big plant is doing great, feeding full strength nutes, cal-mg and pH of 6.5
Other two are doing good too.
I'm probably going to wait two more weeks and put the big one into flower and keep the other two vegging, I'm also planning on taking 2-3 clones from the big plant in a week.

I have noticed some small flies in the room and what should I do to get rid of them? It's not house flies but something different.
Thanks in advance.

dipm0de said:

I have noticed some small flies in the room and what should I do to get rid of them? It's not house flies but something different.

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It is hard to guess at what the flies are with out more info or visuals. Its just a guess but they could be fungus gnats. Those buggers have affected me when I didn't allow for the soil to dry more before the next watering. Once I allowed for more time to dry, it took care of my root gnat problem.
You can read up on them here.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/fungus-gnats.602697/
Good luck